| beastwic1 | hi, curious about devuan. I am guessing devuan stable mirrors debian stable, just with alterations to work with non systemd init if that matters for the package in question. Can I use 3rd party repos that are meant for deb stable here? | 04:36 |
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| beastwic1 | such as mozilla firefox and perhaps retroarch? | 04:36 |
| gnarface | firefox and retroarch are both in the devuan repos, you don't need 3rd party repos for either of those things | 04:37 |
| gnarface | yes, it's enough like debian that 3rd party repos will work, but it's also as bad of an idea to use 3rd party repos as it is with debian | 04:38 |
| gnarface | (and, like debian, not officially supported) | 04:38 |
| beastwic1 | agreed, I have trepidation about it, but was curious if it was compatible | 04:38 |
| gnarface | as long as the software doesn't need systemd it should work | 04:39 |
| gnarface | the risk of causing dependency tree malfunctions is greater though | 04:39 |
| beastwic1 | thanks | 04:39 |
| debdog | but yes, if there's no hard dependency on systemd, 3rd party repos work as well | 04:45 |
| debdog | dang these forced reconnects. I prolly missed some parts | 04:46 |
| edsonwolf | Good morning. My xfce4 is not mounting the pendrive, it says I am not authorized. Since the last update. | 12:04 |
| Guest14 | in devuan 5 live the kernel option: iomem=relaxed does not work. why? | 17:30 |
| gnarface | people gotta stick around longer for answers... | 19:06 |
| Guest14 | booting devuan live from grub: set root='path_to_device' linux /live/vmlinuz iomem=relaxed boot=live initrd /live/initrd | 19:16 |
| Guest14 | and I get into initramfs ... | 19:16 |
| gnarface | Guest14: what are you actually trying to do now? | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | Guest14, unless you changed it, it should be initrd.img | 19:40 |
| Guest14 | gnarface I want to use intelmetool, it tells you if your computer has Intel ME or not and if so its state and if its (partially) removeable or not. I did that before. This time I get an error message that can pop up on certain computers so you have to use that kernel option. This can be found here: | 19:41 |
| Guest14 | https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/Get-the-status-of-Intel-ME (strg+f: error like) | 19:41 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred the kernel is initrd.img ? | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | no, the initramfs is initrd.img | 19:42 |
| Guest14 | that confuses me, because it want me to set the kernel first with linux foobar | 19:42 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred ok good :) | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | there's /live/vmlinuz and /live/initrd.img and /live/filesystem.squashfs | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | what media are you booting? | 19:43 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred /live/filesystem.squashfs whats that? | 19:43 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred usb | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | that's the live filesystem that gets mounted and you enter it | 19:44 |
| Guest14 | ok | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | you used dd to prepare the usb? | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | or that other thing that everyone loves to use that doesn't work half the time? | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | ventoy | 19:44 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred yes. the live system works, the problem is, taht i can not get that iomem=relaxed option for the kerenl to work. I tried first with just editing the menu entries, after that failed, I try now booting it from grub | 19:45 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred ha! | 19:45 |
| Guest14 | I use both but the 64-bit live image is on ventoy atm :) | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | you tried editing the boot menu by pressing TAB (or e if you booted grub) | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | ? | 19:46 |
| Guest14 | (btw: it never failed for me) | 19:46 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred 1. tab after that does not work i load the live menu via grub2 from ventoy and then pressed c to get a command line | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | /live/vmlinuz /live/initrd.img boot=live username=devuan apparmor=0 | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ that's the default isolinux boot line | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | for grub it should be the same but not all on one line | 19:48 |
| Guest14 | when i press tab in the menu i see for initrd noautologin vga=auto fb=false | 19:49 |
| Guest14 | i will dd the 64 bit live image to an extra usb and try that, maybe ventoy is the problem | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure I did not write that boot line | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | or try the configfile command in grub shell | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | and point it toward the grub.cfg in the iso | 19:51 |
| Guest14 | then someone has attack the iso and faked the checksums also :D ;) | 19:51 |
| Guest14 | *attacked the iso download page | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | tell me the exact name of the iso you have | 19:52 |
| Guest14 | devuan_daedalus_5.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | gimme a minute | 19:52 |
| Guest14 | I __always__ get any devuan iso from here: https://files.devuan.org/ | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | are you sure that's not from the ventoy menu? | 19:56 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred sure can be, thats why ill try classic dd to iso now | 19:57 |
| Guest14 | i need some minutes :) | 19:57 |
| fsmithred | 1f1fc3431af3b8c2d9243b8f7c0961d9cb0f7594a50ecf4854ec3e04d000b3d4 devuan_daedalus_5.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | That's what I have here in shasum file. Same as what's online. I'm the one who uploaded the live isos. | 20:01 |
| Guest14 | 1f1fc3431af3b8c2d9243b8f7c0961d9cb0f7594a50ecf4854ec3e04d000b3d4 | 20:03 |
| Guest14 | sha256 | 20:03 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred that was a joke woth the checksums ;) | 20:04 |
| Guest14 | *with | 20:04 |
| Guest14 | So the first menu entry is: Devuan Live Minimal (std) /live/vmlinuz initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live noautologin vga=auto | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | that should work | 20:12 |
| Guest14 | yes of course i use it all the time | 20:13 |
| Guest14 | i added the iomem=relaxed there | 20:13 |
| Guest14 | so its now: /live/vmlinuz iomem=relaxed initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live noautologin vga=auto | 20:13 |
| Guest14 | bit the last times i did that i still get that error message from intelmetool and it asks if i have iomem=relaxed set as an kernel option. | 20:14 |
| Guest14 | but that was that 64 bit live iso started from ventoy. we'll see if it happens again this time from dded live iso | 20:15 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, username=devuan | 20:15 |
| gnarface | is there a kernel build option for this that might be off by default now? | 20:16 |
| Guest14 | error pops up again. is there a way to see after booting if the kernel option i inserted is in use? | 20:19 |
| gnarface | check the contents of /proc/cmdline | 20:19 |
| Guest14 | gnarface nice thx! :D | 20:21 |
| Guest14 | it is there or active | 20:21 |
| Guest14 | i post now my error | 20:22 |
| gnarface | see if you can find the kernel build option | 20:22 |
| Guest14 | intelmetool --me -> Error mapping physical memory 0xfoobar [0x4000] ERRNO=22 Invalid argument Could not map RCBA Do you have kernel cmdline argument 'iomem=relaxed' set ? Error reading RCBA | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | CONFIG_HAS_IOMEM=y | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ daedalus amd64 | 20:24 |
| gnarface | do we know for sure that's the relevant build option? | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | I don't | 20:25 |
| gnarface | another possibility is maybe the intelmetool expects a different kernel version, or some debian patch breaks it | 20:26 |
| gnarface | intelmetool isn't from our repos, is it? | 20:26 |
| Guest14 | grep iomem /proc/cmdline -> BOOT_IMAGE=/live/vmlinuz iomem=relaxed initrd=/live/initrd.img boot=live noautologin vga=auto | 20:27 |
| Guest14 | gnarface intelmetool is in the repos? o0 | 20:27 |
| gnarface | Guest14: that's what i was asking you | 20:27 |
| Guest14 | gnarface oh no, at least it is not in free | 20:28 |
| Guest14 | gnarface no i downloaded it from github | 20:28 |
| gnarface | check the kernel version requirements | 20:28 |
| Guest14 | it is from the coreboot repo | 20:28 |
| Guest14 | gnarface here it is: https://github.com/coreboot/coreboot/tree/main/util/intelmetool | 20:31 |
| Guest14 | i have compiled it | 20:32 |
| Guest14 | gnarface how to check the kernel version requirement? | 20:32 |
| gnarface | Guest14: you just have to look through their docs and hope they bothered to specify it | 20:33 |
| Guest14 | ok | 20:33 |
| gnarface | the daedalus stable kernel version is what many upstream communities already consider "really old" so it would be believable to me that a project focused on intel specific hardware features might have already left it behind, maybe even on accident | 20:34 |
| Guest14 | gnarface but its the same for debian stable i dont think they would drop support for one of the biggest main distros. | 20:34 |
| gnarface | (which i don't think would reflect very well on their ethics or competence but that's neither here nor there) | 20:35 |
| dosensuppe | hello. I inquired because of snapper a while ago. Is there any way I can assist fixing the issue? the problem was that the debian package is intended for systemd timers for some reason. someone (sorry I forgot your name) wanted to fix it and made some progress, but I haven't heard back since | 20:35 |
| dosensuppe | I think it was gnarface | 20:35 |
| dosensuppe | hey there | 20:35 |
| gnarface | Guest14: you'll note this program isn't in the debian repos though, and this might be related to why | 20:35 |
| Guest14 | gnarface ill check and ask coreboot staff | 20:35 |
| gnarface | dosensuppe: your name looks familiar and that problem sounds familiar, but i don't recall actually helping | 20:36 |
| gnarface | maybe i spoke first but it might have been someone else here actually attempting a fix | 20:37 |
| gnarface | ah! it's still in my logs, it was plasma41, dosensuppe | 20:38 |
| dosensuppe | yes, right | 20:57 |
| gnarface | dosensuppe: just stay connected, he'll probably show up again eventually | 21:04 |
| Guest14 | ok heres what one of the coreboot devs said to me: "the issue is that the kernel isn't allowing access to the area of memory needed by intelmetool to read the config" | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | maybe a liquorix kernel would work? | 22:24 |
| Guest14 | buntu, fedora and arch are proved to work as i heard | 22:24 |
| plasma41 | Oh dosensuppe, if you haven't seen it yet, I've submitted patchset to the Debian BTS to fix the issue with snapper on sysvinit. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=976888#22 | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | you just need to do this to test, or you need to run with this all the time? | 22:25 |
| plasma41 | dosensuppe: It hasn't made it into a new release yet, but if you're comfortable with building packages locally you can try building a local version with those patches added in. | 22:26 |
| gnarface | Guest14: just to be sure, you tried it as root and it still didn't work, right? | 22:26 |
| Guest14 | gnarface always as root | 22:26 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred liquorix ive never heard of it. | 22:27 |
| Guest14 | its in antix? | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | no, it's a kernel that can be used with debian. Has different timings and a few other fixes. | 22:30 |
| fsmithred | but if you just need to do this once to test it, just use a buntu cd. | 22:30 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred liquorix is not in the repo | 22:31 |
| Guest14 | you need to get it from the source? | 22:31 |
| fsmithred | https://liquorix.net/ | 22:32 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred thx | 22:32 |
| Guest14 | fsmithred ill try buntu first because it done now. | 22:32 |
| gnarface | you might actually be able to boot a devaun install with the ubuntu kernel | 22:33 |
| gnarface | it might actually be easier to just find whatever kernel build option flips this back on and rebuild the debian kernel package with it | 22:34 |
| Guest14 | lol buntu "try" boots minuutes, its still doing it x) and its xubuntu "minimal"... | 22:39 |
| Guest14 | with try i mean that menu entry "try or install xubuntu" | 22:42 |
| Guest14 | oh its done! | 22:42 |
| Guest14 | wow only 10 minutes to boot! | 22:42 |
| fsmithred | "There is no 'try'" | 22:43 |
| Guest14 | on xubuntu minimal? yes theres | 22:54 |
| Guest14 | works neither, same error... | 22:58 |
| Guest14 | computers... | 22:58 |
| gnarface | Guest14: hmm, maybe it's actually a bug in that version of intelmetool? can you try a older release? | 23:00 |
| Guest14 | gnarface i did works neither | 23:02 |
| Guest14 | theres a hard coded list in intelmetool. my intel atom is not on the list nad thats why i get the error and its not on the list because it has no me (what is weird, because if theres no me it can report: "theres no me" i had that with other atom cpus and core cpus...) | 23:26 |
| Guest14 | thats what people told me in #coreboot | 23:29 |
| Guest14 | what a journey for that.... :/ | 23:29 |
| Guest14 | gnarface fsmithred thank you very much for your help as always. :) | 23:52 |
| fsmithred | yw | 23:59 |
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