| freaxeh2 | I'm trying to install discord .deb, how do I handle that? as gotten from here: https://discord.com/download | 03:56 |
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| freaxeh2 | ty in advance | 03:56 |
| freaxeh2 | when I run it I get: | 04:01 |
| freaxeh2 | ./discord-0.0.80.deb: line 1: syntax error near unexpected token `newline' | 04:01 |
| freaxeh2 | ./discord-0.0.80.deb: line 1: `!<arch>' | 04:01 |
| freaxeh2 | its been aaages since I've messed around with .deb files | 04:01 |
| n4dir | apt install <name>.deb | 04:02 |
| n4dir | i usually just use "dpkg -i <name>.deb" | 04:02 |
| n4dir | there is or was also gdebi. gdebi will take care of dependencies, dpkg doesn't, apt i don't know | 04:03 |
| freaxeh2 | tyvm | 04:05 |
| n4dir | there is a very little more to it, sometimes, i hope it works right away. | 04:07 |
| rwp | apt and apt-get have gained the code to install .deb files now too. "apt-get install ./foo.deb" will install foo and also required Depends of foo. | 04:07 |
| n4dir | oh, apt-get too, i didn't know that. thanks | 04:08 |
| freaxeh2 | synaptic package manager should be the default installer for .deb files imho | 04:10 |
| freaxeh2 | to make it a seamless installation similar to ubuntu *cough* | 04:10 |
| freaxeh2 | I had to run it as "apt install ./discord.deb", I tried "apt install discord.deb" and it didn't work | 04:11 |
| freaxeh2 | discord is installed and running, thanks | 04:11 |
| freaxeh2 | oh also i had to su | 04:11 |
| freaxeh2 | I'm just getting used to desktop Linux again, been on the server side of things for a couple of years now | 04:12 |
| rwp | The problem with synaptic is that it, by nature of being a graphical application, requires graphics and this does not work on a headless server and therefore cannot be used everywhere. Yet apt and apt-get are completely general being usable everywhere. | 04:19 |
| schillingklaus | i hate graphics even on a desktop | 04:19 |
| n4dir | it's quite a while i heard someone speaking about synaptics. In fact i forgot it even existed, before you mentioned it rwp | 04:22 |
| n4dir | no idea why no one seems to use it anymore | 04:22 |
| schillingklaus | synaptic also uses way too much memory | 04:22 |
| gnarface | synaptics and synapitc are not to be confused | 04:25 |
| gnarface | synaptics is a touchpad driver | 04:25 |
| gnarface | kde has its own native gui installer solution, so my assumption is that many are just using that instead | 04:26 |
| schillingklaus | kde and gnome both prefer systemd, so they are always a pain | 04:27 |
| freaxeh2 | Is it possible to change window managers post installation? | 04:27 |
| n4dir | yes | 04:28 |
| freaxeh2 | how difficult is it? | 04:28 |
| n4dir | just install the next. | 04:28 |
| n4dir | you use a display-manager or startx? | 04:28 |
| gnarface | depends really on the window manager, some of them are harder to extract than others | 04:28 |
| gnarface | some of them coexist better than others | 04:28 |
| freaxeh2 | how do I answer that question n4dir ? | 04:29 |
| n4dir | i can't say i ever experienced different Window Managers having a problem with each other | 04:29 |
| gnarface | and yea, it can depend on which display manager you're using too, if you do use one | 04:29 |
| n4dir | freaxeh2: after you have booted, you see a gui-thing to enter username and password, or you see a terminal? | 04:29 |
| freaxeh2 | I'm using xfce at the moment | 04:29 |
| freaxeh2 | gui thing | 04:29 |
| n4dir | Oh. It might be using lightdm as a display-manager. | 04:29 |
| n4dir | xfce is a DE, not a WM (desktop environment, not window manager) | 04:30 |
| freaxeh2 | oh right | 04:30 |
| schillingklaus | it also depends on whether using xorg or wayland | 04:30 |
| n4dir | if you installed it during installation, removing it usually will take all with it as soon you deinstall it. Some metapackage problem | 04:30 |
| n4dir | not the end of the world, just saying | 04:31 |
| n4dir | what you want to use instead, or alongside? | 04:31 |
| gnarface | i don't personally draw a distinction between "window manager" and "desktop environment" though i note that the window managers that tend to characterize themselves as "desktop environments" have been the ones more problematic to switch away from... some of those problems may have been inherent to running the unstable release though, since i was usually on sid when i used to switch window managers a lot | 04:31 |
| schillingklaus | it is also possible tp stay withing xfce and just replace its default wm with a different one | 04:31 |
| freaxeh2 | https://imgur.com/a/LMKqVjr | 04:33 |
| freaxeh2 | I took a screenshot of neofetch and xfce about | 04:33 |
| gnarface | that won't help | 04:34 |
| n4dir | freaxeh2: what other DE or WM you would want to use? | 04:34 |
| freaxeh2 | still it looks pretty | 04:34 |
| n4dir | in general xfce is rather small, if you installed it during installation, it comes with a heck lot of non-xfce stuff though | 04:34 |
| gnarface | oh, yea, sure, i just thought you were trying to identify the "display manager" (aka "session manager" or "login manager") | 04:34 |
| n4dir | the mentioned metapackage problem | 04:34 |
| freaxeh2 | I was :D | 04:35 |
| gnarface | just run "ps aux --forest" | 04:35 |
| gnarface | there's only so many of them, it should be easy to pick out | 04:35 |
| n4dir | freaxeh2: i mean, it can still be done. If all you want is a Window Manager, it is like no nothing | 04:35 |
| freaxeh2 | something dark, i'd prefer n4dir | 04:35 |
| n4dir | if you want another DE Desktop Environment, and get rid of xfce, that is doable, but a bit of a brainfeck | 04:35 |
| n4dir | freaxeh2: just pick another theme then? | 04:36 |
| freaxeh2 | ok I'll try that | 04:36 |
| gnarface | xfce is gtk2 in current stable? or gtk3? | 04:37 |
| n4dir | looks like gtk3, not too sure | 04:38 |
| gnarface | hmm, yea looks like gtk3 from the deps | 04:38 |
| n4dir | and i am on old-stable, forgot that | 04:39 |
| gnarface | which is a shame kinda, because gtk theming peaked at gtk2) | 04:39 |
| freaxeh2 | https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/4.18/appearance | 04:39 |
| freaxeh2 | I've only got one theme available, how do I install more? | 04:39 |
| gnarface | oh, hmm, i wonder if it can actaully use either gtk2 or 3 | 04:39 |
| gnarface | that would be weird, right? | 04:39 |
| n4dir | freaxeh2: you got a few listed "dark" no? | 04:40 |
| gnarface | freaxeh2: they should be packaged, i'm trying to remember a common substring for them | 04:40 |
| n4dir | i slightly remember something about gtk engine | 04:41 |
| freaxeh2 | https://imgur.com/a/H81UPGQ | 04:42 |
| freaxeh2 | this is all I've got | 04:42 |
| n4dir | apt-cache gives result, the brutal truth is that i hardly know about themes though | 04:42 |
| gnarface | there are a couple engines packages but i'm not sure gtk3 uses those anymore | 04:42 |
| schillingklaus | it's easier when installing the minimal iso and then adding xorg server, drivers, and clients manually | 04:42 |
| n4dir | i am with schillingklaus on that question | 04:42 |
| gnarface | freaxeh2: try this search: apt-cache search ^.*\-theme\-\?|grep -i gtk | 04:42 |
| n4dir | i did it with gtk engine; and that gives results | 04:43 |
| gnarface | seems like a lot of them have package naems that end with "-theme" or have "-theme-" in them, but that pulls in false positives too | 04:43 |
| freaxeh2 | ok ty | 04:43 |
| gnarface | gtk engines are not gtk themes, though some of the themes also need special engines | 04:43 |
| freaxeh2 | https://paste.debian.net/1345821/ | 04:44 |
| freaxeh2 | that search gives me this list | 04:44 |
| freaxeh2 | i should be able to just apt install them then huh | 04:44 |
| gnarface | probably just these 4 will get you a long way toward your goal, to be honest: darkblood-gtk-theme darkcold-gtk-theme darkfire-gtk-theme darkmint-gtk-theme | 04:44 |
| freaxeh2 | yep | 04:45 |
| gnarface | (they all share the short description "dark GTK2/GTK3/Metacity theme" | 04:45 |
| gnarface | ) | 04:45 |
| gnarface | not sure if you'll have to restart xfce to see them or not | 04:45 |
| gnarface | ooh, devaun exclusives! clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme | 04:46 |
| gnarface | looks like some of the default themes from previous releases can be installed | 04:47 |
| freaxeh2 | blackbird looks nice | 04:47 |
| gnarface | i like blackbird | 04:47 |
| freaxeh2 | all i did was close and reopen the apperance app | 04:47 |
| gnarface | still looking for a good gtk3 port of Wii-Black though | 04:47 |
| freaxeh2 | they popped right up | 04:47 |
| freaxeh2 | now to turn my terminal amber | 04:48 |
| gnarface | depends on the terminal, some of them will still obey ~/.Xdefaults or ~/.Xresources, but most the newer ones can just be themed by adding a bunch of command-line options to a bash alias or shortcut icon | 04:50 |
| freaxeh2 | nah i mean my gui terminal, xfce4-terminal app | 04:51 |
| freaxeh2 | I just ended up going into edit -> preferences -> colours and choosing a custom colour, #FFBF00 | 04:52 |
| gnarface | yea, that statement was meant to include gui terminals. check the man page first, and if it doesn't support all the things you want i recommend urxvt (package name rxvt-unicode) | 04:52 |
| gnarface | oh, heh, fancy menus | 04:52 |
| gnarface | well whatever works | 04:52 |
| freaxeh2 | I see | 04:52 |
| freaxeh2 | how do you install a .ttf truetype font in linux? | 04:53 |
| freaxeh2 | *devuan | 04:53 |
| gnarface | there are a bunch of packaged ones | 04:53 |
| gnarface | make sure it's not packaged first | 04:53 |
| freaxeh2 | yeah this is "Glass_TTY_VT220.ttf" | 04:54 |
| freaxeh2 | ok | 04:54 |
| gnarface | many of the font packages have "font" or "ttf" in the name | 04:55 |
| gnarface | otherwise you just have to find a font directory and drop it in there and then i think maybe re-run fontconfig (do you still have to do that?) | 04:55 |
| gnarface | eh, this is a bit rough but here's a search to try: apt-cache search '^ttf|^x?fonts\-' | 04:58 |
| gnarface | someone know if there's like a meta-package for all the fonts? | 04:58 |
| gnarface | or even just most of the english ones? | 04:59 |
| gnarface | oh, freaxeh2 found it! | 04:59 |
| gnarface | apt-cache search '^ttf|x?fonts\-'|grep -i glass | 04:59 |
| gnarface | heh | 04:59 |
| gnarface | fonts-glasstty - VT220 terminal font | 05:00 |
| gnarface | it's totally there already | 05:00 |
| freaxeh2 | I installed it into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/vt220 as root | 05:00 |
| freaxeh2 | and it worked 100% | 05:00 |
| gnarface | yea but no need, it's packaged already | 05:00 |
| freaxeh2 | yep I'll delete the directory and install the package :P | 05:00 |
| gnarface | no sense in having unpackaged stuff in /usr/share/ if there's already a package for it | 05:01 |
| gnarface | (though i've put stuff there manually myself many times before) | 05:01 |
| gnarface | (i speak from experience; finding that stuff decades later after you forgot about it can be traumatic) | 05:01 |
| freaxeh2 | man that looks nice | 05:02 |
| freaxeh2 | very rustic | 05:03 |
| freaxeh2 | https://imgur.com/a/Bu0CfEb | 05:03 |
| freaxeh2 | :D | 05:04 |
| gnarface | hah! awesome | 05:04 |
| gnarface | very retro style, i like it | 05:04 |
| gnarface | CRT mystique | 05:05 |
| freaxeh2 | thanks for your help, I'm off to make dinner :P | 05:05 |
| gnarface | reminds me of the Commodore 128 shell font | 05:05 |
| gnarface | a little | 05:06 |
| gnarface | have a good one | 05:07 |
| n4dir | not much in fonts, just like not much in themes, but i liked terminus | 05:07 |
| n4dir | http://0x0.st/8Hb_.png | 05:08 |
| gnarface | it also appears to already be packaged in the repos | 05:08 |
| gnarface | twice for some reason: fonts-terminus fonts-terminus-otb | 05:08 |
| gnarface | ??? | 05:09 |
| gnarface | 5 times? no 6! | 05:09 |
| gnarface | oh, wait, no one of those is actually a terminal | 05:09 |
| gnarface | these other three though: xfonts-terminus, xfonts-terminus-dos, xfonts-terminus-oblique | 05:09 |
| gnarface | must be popular | 05:10 |
| n4dir | it had a hype a while ago | 05:10 |
| gnarface | hmm, yes looks familiar... | 05:12 |
| n4dir | freaxeh2: i guess you used user1 as username as user was already taken by me? :-) | 05:12 |
| freaxeh2 | yep thats it exactly n4dir | 05:46 |
| cousin_luigi | I need to start multiple instances of dnsmasq: until now I duplicated init scripts, but with the latest (2.90-4) update, too many things were moved to a common file in /usr/share/dnsmasq. The configurations still work with /etc/init.d/dnsmasq start foo, but how could I automate that on startup? | 13:00 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: why do you need multiple dnsmasq instances, exactly? | 13:02 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: I've found it impossible to have a single configuration support the three segments of my network suitably. | 13:03 |
| cousin_luigi | I've done my research, including asking the developer. There is no way, so I need to run two additional instances. | 13:04 |
| gnarface | cousin_luigi: usually the proper solution to "i need to do something too complex for dnsmasq" is to use bind9 instead | 13:04 |
| cousin_luigi | By the way, dnsmasq does support instances. | 13:04 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: Which is no longer supported. And doesn't even do dhcp. | 13:04 |
| cousin_luigi | kea, on the other hand, has its own shortcomings | 13:05 |
| gnarface | wait, bind is no longer supported? | 13:05 |
| gnarface | are you sure...? | 13:05 |
| cousin_luigi | Sorry, it's isc-dhcp that isn't | 13:05 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what dhcp could possibly have to do with this | 13:05 |
| cousin_luigi | But I found out that bind was way overkill. Like a gig of memory for a handful of zones. | 13:05 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: I use dnsmasq for both. | 13:05 |
| gnarface | well, but bind can handle multiple network instances with just 1 daemon | 13:05 |
| gnarface | and i doubt it really takes a gig of memory | 13:06 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: No doubt. But it wasn't the main problem. | 13:06 |
| gnarface | well you can just run custom start commands from /etc/rc.local if you want | 13:06 |
| cousin_luigi | Will the additional instances of dnsmasq be also terminated properly on shutdown? | 13:07 |
| gnarface | dunno, but there's also unbound, dunno if it will do what you want either but it was popular around here for a while | 13:08 |
| cousin_luigi | hmm, shutdown.d | 13:08 |
| cousin_luigi | gnarface: I do use unbound | 13:08 |
| cousin_luigi | as authoritative server | 13:08 |
| cousin_luigi | ok, boot.d and shutdown.d appear to be working, but I would like some feedback on console | 13:13 |
| cousin_luigi | oh nevermind, it's there. | 13:14 |
| gnarface | it's probably not the most ideal way to do things, but short of forking dnsmasq i don't really know anything better to recommend | 13:44 |
| msiism | Apparently, I'm not the only one who had to "fix" LibreOffice Draw's permanent crashing on start-up by installing LibreOffice Impress as well. Is this generally a known problem? | 16:03 |
| msiism | I'm on Devuan Daedalus. | 16:06 |
| gnarface | not something i've heard of, but the whole libreoffice suite is typically installed together so it's probably just not tested very well in individual parts | 16:13 |
| msiism | I got the tip at https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/681123/how-to-stop-libreoffice-draw-from-crashing-in-debian-bullseye | 16:13 |
| freem | yeah, libreoffice is split by debian, and that breaks it in random areas. I had the problem with "LO base". Installed another part fixed it (but in the end, Base was still unusable, so I abandonned the project entirely, as I do not have ms access licence) | 18:55 |
| freem | if someone knows a good replacement, I'm all ears. | 18:56 |
| n4dir | depending what you need you could try abiword | 18:56 |
| freem | for those who want lightweight GUI tools for word/excel I'd recommend abiword and gnumerics | 18:57 |
| freem | yeah, those are quite ok, I agree. But I could not find a ms access replacement (rapid application development, allows to quickly draw a database schema and to quickly hack a user interface on top without being too comfy with tech, which was important point for my target) | 18:58 |
| freem | that does not replaces draw neither though. For that there's dia, but it's pretty bad imo, may depend on tastes and needs though. | 19:01 |
| n4dir | and installing just all of libre-office doesn't do it? | 19:02 |
| freem | for which tool? | 19:04 |
| freem | in my experience, for writer and the excel thingy (don't remember the name) it works, but for less used components, you're going to face problems | 19:04 |
| freem | I didn't knew about Draw, but knew about Base. That's already 2 problematic components. How many are there? | 19:05 |
| freem | the only problem is the fact they do not have correct hard-dependences mind you | 19:05 |
| n4dir | if i said all i meant really all, libreoffice | 19:06 |
| freem | ah, ok. Yes, it does, that is what was said? | 19:06 |
| freem | that it is not a good idea to install only a part of libre office, as this may make it bug in random manners | 19:07 |
| freem | depending on the component you installed | 19:07 |
| freem | and if you are asking about "does Base work with whole LO package" then, it technically does, but it is a very horrible experience still | 19:10 |
| freem | and that is compared to the ms access I got some basic trainings on, 15 years ago. YMMV I guess. | 19:11 |
| freem | I'll stop here as I'm afraid this may be off topic | 19:11 |
| mason | pipewire setup is funny. Transferring a laptop to my oldest kid, and she needs videoconferencing for school. So I looked at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5867 and for the life of me I couldn't get it to go. Had to run pipewire *before* wireplumber. | 21:42 |
| mason | Oh, heh, further down in that thread someone else has the same ordering. | 21:43 |
| n4dir | might be stupid but isn't it obvious you have to start pipewire before wireplumber (am using jack) | 21:45 |
| mason | n4dir: While normally I would say "yes, absolutely", there are a lot of instances where another order is specified as being required. | 21:46 |
| mason | Oh, hm, my desktop also starts pipewire first. | 21:47 |
| n4dir | mason: ah, i see. I had only a short look at pipewire in live-distros yet. But sure not enough to make much sense of it | 21:47 |
| n4dir | i startx, then use cadence to start jack (then a pulse-plugin), then do the rest | 21:48 |
| mason | n4dir: It's not PulseAudio and it more or less works. Mostly it lets me do things like record sound with vokoscreen that's not possible with plain ALSA. | 21:48 |
| n4dir | yeah, most claim it "just works", and what they claim sounds valid to me | 21:48 |
| freem | if "order is important" in the 1st message of that forum, then there is a problem already: nothing guarantees that those programs will be ready in the order they are called | 21:48 |
| mason | freem: Later in the thread it's noted that there are systemd dependencies specified, which is I guess how it works on many systems. There are of course no sysvinit files shipped. That might be something to address. | 21:49 |
| n4dir | well, say you got app X configured to use audio-server Y, then of course it needs to be running if you wanna use it | 21:49 |
| mason | ...except that it's run by the user, so... dunno. | 21:49 |
| n4dir | to me it seems clear, perhaps i am stupid | 21:49 |
| freem | I was simply refering to the fact that the 3 programs are started in a specific order, but one may get a bigger CPU share than it's predecessors | 21:50 |
| mason | Comment #23 in the thread seems to have a nice script that should be relatively straightforward to drop in. I'd have saved a few minutes if I'd noticed that first. :P | 21:50 |
| freem | ideally you'd need a utility that blocks until it's target is, indeed, ready. I guess one can tinker something to talk systemd's basic protocol? I am refering here to the openssh shitty patch some people thought was a good idea to make linking to libsystemd0 | 21:51 |
| mason | OpenSSH packages linking to systemd-anything is kind of funny honestly. | 21:52 |
| freem | there may be other more or less reliable ways, such as testing the presence of a socket or something | 21:52 |
| freem | it is, but also, I think daemons advertising their readyness is *not* a stupid idea from systemd folks | 21:53 |
| freem | a broken clock is right twice a day, as they say :) | 21:53 |
| mason | freem: Was that theirs, or is it from launchd? Not actually sure. | 21:53 |
| freem | very good point | 21:53 |
| n4dir | wait, during boot things need to start in a certain order? | 21:53 |
| freem | depends what you are operating, but yes, sometimes it can be useful | 21:54 |
| n4dir | well, i thought the topic was pipewire | 21:54 |
| freem | I had such a case at work, for embedded kiosk systems | 21:54 |
| freem | yes, but it is related | 21:54 |
| freem | I used systemd/openssh's example to illustrate the fact that those daemons are not necessarily ready in the order they are started | 21:55 |
| freem | and that you need a tool to verify such readyness, or otherwise bad things may happen | 21:55 |
| n4dir | you probably need sound after boot. | 21:55 |
| freem | I don't know the dependency chain or needs of pipewire though, I prefer my systems simple, and alsa is fine to me | 21:56 |
| freem | except when videoconferencing over a web browser is needed, sadly | 21:57 |
| mason | freem: videoconferencing has generally worked for me with straight ALSA | 21:57 |
| freem | really? I never managed to achieve that, 4-5 years ago | 21:57 |
| freem | which browser do you use? | 21:57 |
| mason | Depends on the videoconferencing platform I think. | 21:58 |
| freem | I tried with firefox myself, back then, and chromium as well. None would work. | 21:58 |
| mason | Firefox mostly | 21:58 |
| mason | Chrome for some things | 21:58 |
| freem | so I have a systemd partition to handle those cases... | 21:58 |
| mason | All just Firefox recently. | 21:58 |
| n4dir | so from the linked thread it looks to me as if you could just start pipewire and friends from X | 22:02 |
| n4dir | just run the command | 22:02 |
| mason | Yeah, for my kid's rig I'll show her how to have a .desktop file on when she logs in I think. | 22:03 |
| mason | For my own stuff I just use .xsession. | 22:04 |
| n4dir | mason: yeah, right, point was no need to do it during boot | 22:04 |
| mason | Yeah, in this case. | 22:04 |
| mason | I looked at the packages, and it's evidently a user service under systemd. | 22:04 |
| n4dir | yeah, found those web-results | 22:04 |
| mason | n4dir: The packages themselves have it too. | 22:05 |
| n4dir | aye | 22:05 |
| n4dir | anyway, for now i'll stick to jack. Took me long enough to figure it out | 22:05 |
| mason | Fair enough. | 22:05 |
| n4dir | just interesting to slowly get a better understanding | 22:05 |
| onefang | I think it's best to stick with JACK, especially if you got it working already. | 22:06 |
| n4dir | onefang: it is just that a lot of distros, and mainly the audio-distros, switch, i look now and then, so at least the basics are good to know | 22:09 |
| psionic | thank god Devuan still have i386 | 23:26 |
| psionic | I hope it will never be abandoned | 23:26 |
| schillingklaus | how can devian continue support for i386 if it has been abandoned upstream in debian? | 23:28 |
| schillingklaus | backports maybe? | 23:28 |
| freem | there is also the question of how to support it if contributors no longer have such system or interest for those. i386 is *really* old, after all. I doubt it really is supported, I'd bet what really is is i686 | 23:29 |
| schillingklaus | are there no vm'sfor i386? | 23:35 |
| * freem still have a "designed for windows millenium" computer around, but it can not be used to anything real with it's less than 200 megs of ram) | 23:35 | |
| schillingklaus | vim, lynx etc. will still run comfortably on it | 23:36 |
| n4dir | also might fool with tiny core linux or such | 23:37 |
| freem | yes, sure they do | 23:38 |
| freem | mpd as well | 23:38 |
| freem | but... comfortably? Just booting it takes a long time | 23:38 |
| n4dir | i think the most low i used more or less comfortable was 386 MB, but that is 3 or 4 years ago | 23:39 |
| freem | I'd rather use my beaglebone blacks as desktop than this | 23:40 |
| freem | faster to boot, more 250% ram, orders of magnitude more CPU cycles, smaller package, smaller energy usage, ... | 23:40 |
| freem | but I guess old 32bit systems are still in use in industry, as you don't replace machines without a very good reason there | 23:41 |
| freem | those run on isolated networks and with obsolete OSes as well, though, because no driver exists on more moder systems anyway (to drive the proprietary hardware) | 23:42 |
| freem | including windows 2000 | 23:42 |
| schillingklaus | not long ago, an amiga commodore was found as a business computer somewhere in the middle west | 23:43 |
| * freem doubts it can boot devuan | 23:54 | |
| psionic | Is ther a way to install through serial console? | 23:56 |
| freem | you probably need to setup your own installer for that, but I see nothing that would prevent it | 23:58 |
| freem | I think agetty is still the by-default PTY and IIRC it supports RS-232 and stuff | 23:59 |
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