libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2024-10-25

rwpgrub-legacy!  If it still exists then I should see if it is still working because it was twice as good as GRUBv2 is now.05:40
freembecause grub2 is good at something?12:50
freem(well, I prefered lilo to grub in the past, and now I prefer syslinux, which is even nicer than lilo since it can do... just everything: iso, disk-less, old bios, modern efi... while still being damn simple to configure and *not* trying to second-guess me)12:52
freemI only lack the integration with OS so I need to run a script manually each time I update kernel. I wonder if there's a way to automate that, but I was always too lazy to search.12:53
avir327freem: '/etc/kernel/postinst.d/' might be worth a look.13:10
fsmithredwhat needs to be updated? Don't you just use symlinks?13:10
fsmithredto vmlinuz and initrd.img13:11
freemno, basically, I mount a partition, remove the 2 -old files, swap the current to old, and then copy next13:12
freemreally trivial matter13:12
freemavir327: thanks for the hint13:12
fsmithredyou're using syslinux on a hard drive or extlinux?13:14
freemgood question, I don't remember which one of extlinux or syslinux I'm using13:14
freemi think my boot partition is FAT though, so probably syslinux13:15
freemone thing is, I use that partition to boot *several* OSes, and it's something I will not stop doing, because having backup OS saved my ass more than once, after doing a bad tinkering :)13:16
freemand this is one of the reasons I can NOT tolerate grub when installed by debian: it messes too much with things, and that bringed me troubles in the past, as well13:17
freemIIRC that "os-probe" thingy was very confused that I dared to install 2 debians on the same hard disk13:18
freemdoes anyone knows if there is a way to only _list_ build-deps of a package? Basically, "apt-get build-dep" but without installing them, just listing15:08
freemnvm, found a way: just run the stuff with --dry-run. Didn't thuoght about that since I never use apt...15:10
freemwell, does not really work though, it only list stuff to install, not the stuff already there15:10
freemok, checking the control file of source tarball then15:12
* freem still wonders if there's a better way15:12
n4dirthe web says: apt-rdepends --build-depends <package-name>15:13
n4dirat least here the output is so much that it is close to useless15:14
freemindeed15:15
n4dirthere must be a good way.15:16
freemguess it's related to build-essential15:16
freemI was toying with dash's code and thought I could just write myself a small ninja/makefile instead of the complex autotools system from the 90s, since much of the cruft is basically to try to find or define stuff which are now in standards (posix 2008 for the most recent so far)15:18
n4dirapt-cache showsrc <pkgname> looks good, like what you have in "control" file (if that was the file)15:18
freemand I suspect some lex/yacc stuff was involved, "someday" except can't find much15:18
freemah, yes, nice15:18
n4dirnever heard of it, hail to the mighty web.15:19
freemthis one's definitely worth remembering15:19
gnarfaceanyone have any ideas where the environment variables QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME and QT_STYLE_OVERRIDE might be getting set?19:02
rwpgnarface, Those QT_* environment variables are not set in my environment.19:18
rwpAre you running a Qt based Desktop Environment?19:19
fsmithredgnarface, I found mention of the theme variable in /usr/share/doc/lxqt/README.md (on another computer)19:19
fsmithredno19:20
fsmithreddoc/lxqt-qtplugin/README.md19:20
gnarfacei'm running enlightenment, i do have QT libraries installed though19:21
CueXXIIIgnarface: you could grep /proc/$pid/environ of your current session tree (ps -faux)19:21
gnarfaceeh, nevermind, i just installed the package to support the thing it was already set to instead19:22
gnarfacei tried to grep /proc/*/environ but all it tells me is dozens of binary files match19:23
CueXXIIIyeah, you want to find the first in your process tree of the session that has it not set. it's child sets it19:24
gnarfaceat least one of them might be getting set by enlightenment19:25
gnarfacei'm being told in #e that at least one of those two is hardcoded into enlightenment19:32
gnarfaceit's better to just have the qt plugin for it, since that was also what i had it set to before19:32
gnarfacehmm, even though the error is gone it still has the problem where the window disappears if dpms kicks in19:39
gnarfaceanyone seem that happening with QT stuff?19:39
gnarfacethis is mumble19:39
gnarfacecurrent stable19:39
gnarfacehmm, it might be a clue that the window only disappears when DPMS kicks in if it wasn't already minimized first19:40
gnarface(but when the window disappears, the icon also disappears from the wharf bar, so it can't be un-minimized that way)19:41
gnarfacei assumed it had something to do with that error but after installing the plugin the error goes away19:57

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