| Guest2 | is there an lts version of devuan | 00:10 |
|---|---|---|
| Guest2 | nvm you guys seem to have the releases which is neat | 00:13 |
| fsmithred | lts is mostly about kernel support, and we use debian kernels, so we're on their schedule for lts | 00:16 |
| dvbst | hello | 15:45 |
| dvbst | so after an upgrade from 4 to 5 everytime i switch ttys to anything other than 7, it puts me back to 7 after less than 2 seconds | 15:46 |
| dvbst | and it wouldnt be a problem if there was a gui that worked there | 15:46 |
| dvbst | but it doesnt work (because new kernel so no nvidia drivers) and to fix it i usually go to other tty and fix it there | 15:47 |
| dvbst | but i cant do that now | 15:47 |
| dvbst | so i chrooted from a livecd and tried to do stuff there | 15:47 |
| dvbst | and the nvidia installer complains about everything and i think its just impossible to do it from a chroot | 15:48 |
| dvbst | what do i do?: | 15:48 |
| fsmithred | boot the old kernel | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | or go into chroot and remove nvidia driver, boot with nouveau, and then reinstall nvidia driver | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | are you installing nvidia from repo packages or from nvidia's binary? | 15:54 |
| Alverstone | gnarface, uupdate failed because there is no debian/changelog in the linux-source package | 16:53 |
| Alverstone | idk why tbh | 16:53 |
| dvbst | i cant do anything on the old kernel because it teleports me to tty7 | 16:53 |
| Alverstone | ig i just compile pristine and not give a single damn about it | 16:53 |
| dvbst | i switch to any other tty and right after that it switches back to tty7 | 16:54 |
| dvbst | and i cant change to nouveau and install the normal one because it doesnt support my gpu so i get no output with nouveau | 16:56 |
| dvbst | i would just need to stop the display manager (lightdm in my case i think) from spamming me to tty7 | 17:07 |
| gnarface | you can just run /etc/init.d/lightdm stop | 17:10 |
| gnarface | need to make sure you have the xinit package though so you can run startx | 17:11 |
| dvbst | i cant run /etc/init.d/lightdm stop because i cant run anything at all | 17:22 |
| dvbst | unless i can do that in chroot and itll take effect on reboot | 17:22 |
| gnarface | no, but in a chroot you could just run ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*lightdm* | 17:29 |
| gnarface | then change all the symlinks names that start with a S to start with a K instead | 17:29 |
| gnarface | it could be done with the tools sysv-rc-conf or update-rc.d too, if you have either installed | 17:30 |
| gnarface | sysv-rc-conf is easy to figure out, update-rc.d isn't as easy to figure out | 17:30 |
| gnarface | i personally think changing the symlinks by hand is easiest but ymmv | 17:30 |
| gnarface | Alverstone: i think dch is the tool for updating the changelog, it's picky about the format but you only need to add 1 entry | 17:40 |
| gnarface | but if the vanilla kernel works for you that's fine | 17:40 |
| Alverstone | gnarface, no, the point is that linux-source binary package does not have a debian/ directory | 17:44 |
| Alverstone | you need to do apt source linux | 17:44 |
| Alverstone | and that's... | 17:44 |
| Alverstone | a lot of extra work for nothing as I see it | 17:44 |
| Alverstone | because packaging for apt/dpkg is overcomplicated | 17:44 |
| Alverstone | but I suppose it might work | 17:45 |
| Alverstone | How long for kernel to compile? | 17:47 |
| buZz | not very long on any modernish system | 17:50 |
| Alverstone | how modernish | 17:53 |
| buZz | even a core2duo should be able to do it in 30 minutes | 17:54 |
| Alverstone | does make binpkg-deb include headers in the deb file? | 18:05 |
| Alverstone | I mean stock kernel source ofc | 18:08 |
| cousin_luigi | Yesterday, during an update, I saw a kernel release being obsoleted. Is it a regular thing or perhaps there's something wrong with that particular release? | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | cousin_luigi, I think apt just keeps the kernel it replaces and gets rid of any older ones. They take up a lot of space if they accumulate. | 18:28 |
| cousin_luigi | fsmithred: Well, it wasn't automatically removed, it just told me about it. There's an even older release installed, but it wasn't mentioned. | 18:29 |
| cousin_luigi | Should I remove both by hand? | 18:29 |
| fsmithred | apt autoremove should do it | 18:30 |
| rwp | The normal configuration is that linux-image-amd64 is installed and currently it Depends: linux-image-6.1.0-26-amd64 (= 6.1.112-1) and when linux-image-amd64 is upgraded it always pulls in the newer kernel. | 18:30 |
| rwp | The older kernel being an automatically installed package is now a candidate for "apt-get autoremove --purge" to remove from the system. | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | aptitude will remove stuff automatically, apt and apt-get will tell you to autoremove. | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | wow thats a bad sentence. ^^^ | 18:31 |
| cousin_luigi | fsmithred: That did the trick, tyvm. | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | it's a good idea to keep the kernel that got replaced in case the new one has problems. Keeping older ones is generally not necessary. | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | maybe if you have one that's special for some reason. | 18:32 |
| rwp | IIRC there is some trick implemented so that the one previous kernel is not a candidate for autoremove. But I don't remember exactly how that is implemented off the top of my head. | 18:33 |
| rwp | "dpkg -l |grep linux-image-" and I always have the current kernel and the immediately previous kernel installed without doing anything special. | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there are some apt configs somewhere else, maybe /usr/share. | 18:34 |
| rwp | And also the linux-image-amd64 metapackage, which will of course be a different metapackage for those using one of the other metapackages. Concepts the same on those too. | 18:35 |
| Alverstone | how the heck can your core2duo compile the damn thing in 30 minutes | 19:04 |
| rwp | It's been since 2011(?) I think but I was working on a superfast 160-core CPU system with 512GB of RAM and it would compile the entire Linux kernel and link it in less than 1 minute. It was fabulous. But everything was in memory and there were many CPU cores to do it. | 19:18 |
| Alverstone | Well I'm nearing 2 hous | 19:19 |
| Alverstone | hours | 19:19 |
| rwp | There are a lot of available modules. Compiling the entire suite of them will take a lot of time. And you won't be running modules for hardware you don't have. But a default compile will compile all of them in order to create a kernel with all of the modules which can then run anywhere. | 19:26 |
| joerg | needs sufficient RAM | 19:26 |
| rwp | I forget the configuration now off the top of my head but it is possible to compile just the modules for the hardware you are using and then the amount of compile work needed is reduced dramatically. | 19:26 |
| Alverstone | Doesn't take RAM so far, just a whole lot of CPU time | 19:26 |
| joerg | the RAM is used for buffering | 19:27 |
| rwp | Investigate how to compile just the modules you are using and needing for your system and that will speed things up for the next compile hugely. For now I would just let it run and go make a sandwich. | 19:27 |
| rwp | +1. RAM for file system buffer cache is critically important. | 19:27 |
| joerg | ^^^ :-) | 19:27 |
| joerg | also iirc there's a surprisingly _low_ +j(?) value sweet spot | 19:29 |
| rwp | I look at the bar graph presented by "htop" for memory. If it doesn't have half of the bar in yellow for buffer cache then I know the system just does not have enough RAM for the tasks I am asking it to do. | 19:29 |
| Alverstone | I'm afraid I won't stuff another sandwich in me with a hammer | 19:30 |
| rwp | Right! For a Core 2 Duo I might start with -j2 right at the start. (Many will think -j3 for a 2-core.) But each -j job process multiplies the memory needed. | 19:30 |
| Alverstone | 3/4 of my bar is yellow | 19:31 |
| rwp | Excellent! | 19:31 |
| Alverstone | 4/4 of my face is soon gonna be red | 19:31 |
| Alverstone | :) | 19:31 |
| rwp | How much total RAM on that system? | 19:32 |
| Alverstone | If it doesn't make the header files in a deb file I'm gonna explode | 19:32 |
| rwp | I'll guess that with a Core 2 Duo you have 4GB of RAM and I think that should complete the task okay. Just be patient. A watched pot never boils. | 19:33 |
| Alverstone | rwp, the compiler has around 10GB completely dedicated to its use | 19:33 |
| Alverstone | dpkg-deb is running | 19:34 |
| Alverstone | I just pray it doesn't build the whole thing again ;) | 19:34 |
| Alverstone | awww yeah it makes all the deb packages I need | 19:35 |
| Alverstone | now lets just pray it works | 19:35 |
| rwp | To save me from needing to scan the scrollback, remind me why you are compiling it locally? It's fine of course. I'm just curious. | 19:35 |
| Alverstone | I'm insane | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | jk | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | 6.10 breaks my wifi chip | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | 8188eu | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | realtek | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | wanna stay with 6.5 | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | not as sweet in terms of security updates but linux doesn't have security anyway | 19:37 |
| Alverstone | why care | 19:38 |
| rwp | And installing linux-image-6.1.0-26-amd64 from Devuan 5 Daedalus and installing security upgrades from there is too boring? | 19:38 |
| Alverstone | 6.1 has a bug when my laptop doesn't shutdown sometimes. They did some stupid thing to ACPI or whatever which got reverted later. Have to hold the button till it truly poweroffs. Stupid | 19:41 |
| Alverstone | BTW do you remember which package makes the /vmlinuz symlink? | 19:41 |
| Alverstone | there is one, I know it, I've read the manpage once | 19:41 |
| Alverstone | update-linux-symlinks | 19:43 |
| Alverstone | linux-update-symlinks* | 19:46 |
| rwp | I have "do_symlinks = no" in my /etc/kernel-img.conf file. I don't have those symlinks in root. They are too messy for my eyes to look at. :-/ | 19:46 |
| rwp | GRUB does not need them. | 19:47 |
| Alverstone | os prober is my enemy | 19:49 |
| rwp | I also set GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=y in /etc/default/grub because for my sensibilities hiding those away makes the GRUB boot menu UI more confusing not less. | 19:49 |
| Alverstone | because it only has blacklist | 19:49 |
| Alverstone | no whitelist | 19:49 |
| Alverstone | stupid | 19:49 |
| rwp | "apt-get purge os-prober" solves the os-prober problem here. (Debian has a fix in place that Ubuntu is missing by the way.) | 19:50 |
| Alverstone | I just disable it | 19:50 |
| rwp | (In Ubuntu even with the os-prober purged it still complains about GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER due to a code ordering bug in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober . That is fixed in Devuan/Debian. Yay!) | 19:51 |
| Alverstone | wish me luck, I'm hitting the reboot button | 19:53 |
| Alverstone | well no luck, right? | 19:58 |
| Alverstone | what the heck | 19:59 |
| Alverstone | /bin/init missing | 19:59 |
| Hurgotron | o.o | 19:59 |
| rwp | That seems like an unrelated failure. You can boot manually with init=/bin/bash and then repair things. | 20:02 |
| Alverstone | are you kidding me, runit supervision tree inherits the whole tty1 | 20:08 |
| Alverstone | same bug as in Void | 20:08 |
| Alverstone | do you guys enjoy shutting down your system by hitting <sysrq>+K on tty1? | 20:09 |
| Alverstone | I don't | 20:09 |
| Alverstone | Because my main user always sits on tty1 | 20:09 |
| * Xenguy has extra cheese to donate... | 20:19 | |
| Alverstone | i bullied it into booting | 20:39 |
| Alverstone | now i need real help | 20:39 |
| Alverstone | what's the purpose of /etc/sv? | 20:39 |
| Alverstone | how do i install runit services? /var/service? | 20:39 |
| Alverstone | how do i add a script to be run at boot time in a safely manner? | 20:40 |
| Alverstone | and why no manpages? | 20:40 |
| fsmithred | Alverstone, how many ttys do you have? I seem to recall that runit only makes one by default. I have six, but I don't know if I made 2-6 or if they came in with runit services or if they were always there. | 20:42 |
| Alverstone | idk i don't care how many since i can always make more if somebody answers the above questions ;) | 20:42 |
| Alverstone | i added `exec </dev/null >/dev/null 2>/dev/null` before runsvdir in /etc/runit/2 to fix the issue | 20:43 |
| Alverstone | seems to wokr | 20:43 |
| Alverstone | seems to work* | 20:43 |
| Xenguy | You mean 'workaround' ? | 20:43 |
| Alverstone | it's a fix! | 20:43 |
| Alverstone | there are 0 reasons for runit to inherit a tty | 20:44 |
| Xenguy | Not unless the bug is reported | 20:44 |
| Alverstone | well who do I report it to? | 20:44 |
| fsmithred | debian | 20:44 |
| Alverstone | and why would they care, since they use systemd? | 20:45 |
| Alverstone | anyway i didn't think it's an issue with more than one distro | 20:45 |
| fsmithred | If you want to verify that it's a bug and not a misconfiguration, you can post to the devuan forum and the debian maintainer for runit will likely answer. | 20:45 |
| Alverstone | that could probably be documented somewhere | 20:45 |
| Alverstone | you mean debian forum? | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | it would surprise me if void and debian/devuan had the same problem with runit, because they are set up differently | 20:46 |
| Alverstone | didn't see devuan has one | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | no | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | I mean dev1galaxy.org. | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if Lorenzo hangs out at the debian forum. | 20:46 |
| Xenguy | I don't know the specifics of your use case, but when there are bugs to report, see bugs.devuan.org (I think) | 20:46 |
| fsmithred | but he does sometimes post to our forum. | 20:47 |
| Alverstone | which topic | 20:47 |
| Alverstone | Xenguy, my use case is not having my system shutdown when <sysrq>+K on tty1 | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | maybe Hardware and System Config | 20:47 |
| Xenguy | Why would that even matter? | 20:47 |
| fsmithred | that key combo should only kill the xserver | 20:48 |
| Alverstone | exactly | 20:48 |
| Alverstone | not the system | 20:48 |
| fsmithred | if I can find a runit live-iso on a usb stick, I'll boot hardware and see if I can reproduce it. | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | found one. couple minutes... | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | oh, it's chimaera not daedalus. | 20:52 |
| Alverstone | I use excalibur | 20:53 |
| Alverstone | btw | 20:53 |
| Xenguy | How do you spell so well? | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | who, me? | 20:54 |
| Alverstone | spell what, fireballs? well linux does teach you a bit of wizardry | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | lol | 20:54 |
| fsmithred | I do not have a runit iso for excalibur | 20:55 |
| Alverstone | OK I registered on the forum | 20:55 |
| Xenguy | wizards FTW | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | but I do have an excalibur install on hardware. | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | I will fuck with it and see what happens. | 20:55 |
| Alverstone | btw I remember on void there was nanoklogd, a logging daemon that AFAIK logs kernel messages | 20:56 |
| Alverstone | anything like that on Devuan? | 20:56 |
| Xenguy | Isn't that standard logging | 20:57 |
| Xenguy | ? | 20:57 |
| Alverstone | I don't know really. | 20:57 |
| Alverstone | What do you mean 'standard'? | 20:57 |
| fsmithred | /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log | 20:58 |
| Xenguy | yeah | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure I want to proceed with installing runit... | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | serious bugs of runit (→ 2.1.2-59) <Pending Upload> | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | b1 - #1073780 - src:runit: move aliased files from / to /usr (DEP17) | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | serious bugs of runit-init (→ 2.1.2-59) <Pending Upload> | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | b2 - #1073780 - src:runit: move aliased files from / to /usr (DEP17) | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | Alverstone, do you see stuff in / that should not be there? | 21:00 |
| Alverstone | nope | 21:01 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred | 21:01 |
| Alverstone | my / is all right | 21:02 |
| Alverstone | at least when not booted | 21:02 |
| Alverstone | :) | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | ok, I installed runit-init and I see six ttys in /etc/sv | 21:03 |
| Alverstone | I accidentally closed browser and deleted my post | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | that answers one of my questions | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | ouch. | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | worse is when you spend half an hour composing it and you get logged out. I've learned to copy/paste before hitting the post button if it takes me a long time. | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | or hit the preview button every few minutes | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | boots to initramfs prompt | 21:05 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred, offtop but I often just write the thing in a text editor, religiously hitting crtl+S every time I stop typing to recompose my thoughts. | 21:07 |
| Alverstone | yeah initramfs prompt. maybe some modules are missing? happened once to me, don't remember why though | 21:07 |
| fsmithred | oh, this might have happened because I upgraded and got a new kernel but didn't reboot yet. | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | booted to console login. That's not right. | 21:16 |
| Alverstone | doesn't matter just hit sysrq+K | 21:16 |
| fsmithred | and it looks like after I log in the console gets spammed with syslog | 21:16 |
| Alverstone | btw thanks for the forum, I see that rsyslog is buggy with runit, so I'll just go with socklog :) | 21:17 |
| fsmithred | ok, I logged into tty2 and it hung on giving me a prompt, just like it did on tty1, but then the desktop finally came up on tty7 | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | ok, here goes | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | alt-sysrq-k gives me a graphical login (lightdm) | 21:18 |
| fsmithred | second time it gives me black screen with cursor. I'll give it a few minutes to see what happens. | 21:20 |
| Alverstone | sysrq+k where exactly? | 21:23 |
| Alverstone | I use console login with startx | 21:23 |
| Alverstone | anyway | 21:23 |
| Alverstone | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=52546 | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | I don't understand the question. I'm testing on a hardware install of excalibur with lxqt and lightdm | 21:25 |
| Alverstone | <sysrq>+K on tty1 | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | on the desktop | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | to kill X | 21:26 |
| Alverstone | which tty1 is the desktop on? | 21:26 |
| Alverstone | which tty* | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | now I can't get to any tty | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | tty7 | 21:26 |
| Alverstone | you need tt1 | 21:26 |
| Alverstone | I don't use graphical login managers | 21:26 |
| fsmithred | lemme see if I can ssh in | 21:26 |
| Alverstone | they don't support rootless xorg and are bloat generally speaking | 21:27 |
| rwp | It's normal for the /dev/console device to be attached to /dev/tty1 and so when I hear "console gets spammed with syslog" that sounds like normal activity to me. | 21:27 |
| Alverstone | what's the point? | 21:27 |
| Alverstone | log should go to syslog | 21:27 |
| Alverstone | then to grep | 21:27 |
| Alverstone | what's the usecase of having tty1 half unusable | 21:28 |
| fsmithred | rwp, didn't that used to be on tty4? | 21:29 |
| rwp | There is the system log and there is the system console. Those are different things. Also Devuan/Debian does not set a dmesg level which is probably your problem. Other systems like RH set it so probably you should set it too. | 21:29 |
| rwp | "dmesg -n5" is usually sufficient. | 21:29 |
| rwp | fsmithred, At install time in the debian-installer they redirect system messages to vt tty4 or to the screen tab 4 depending upon which is active at the time. | 21:30 |
| fsmithred | ok, I disabled lightdm and rebooted | 21:31 |
| rwp | When operating on the system console it is not unusual to get a console message and then after reading it need to Control-L to redraw the screen. | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | logged in and now I'm waiting for a command prompt to appear | 21:31 |
| fsmithred | confirmed your bug | 21:32 |
| rwp | When using runit I did run into a runit startup bug that I don't recall exactly the detail but the effect is that bash can't do job control and complains about it loudly. I hacked a fix in on my test machine for it and I am sure I could recreate it. My runit test machine is broken right now. I would need to create another to reproduce it. | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | alt-sysrq-k on tty1 leads to... | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | I thinkit's off | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | yup. poweroff. | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | Not good. My power button is flaky. | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | ok, it started | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna get rid of runit. Anything else you want me to test with it first? | 21:34 |
| Alverstone | nope | 21:36 |
| Alverstone | Anyway I hope Lorenzo will explain, and if I am wrong I'll just stick to my workaround 'cause that's what I expect it to do :D | 21:37 |
| Alverstone | Still uncool that it's not documented anywhere, there might be others | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | check for bug reports at bugs.debian.org | 21:37 |
| fsmithred | might be known | 21:37 |
| rwp | I worry that your workaround breaks the logging to the system console. Which I would then file as a bug. | 21:39 |
| Alverstone | yes no logs on system console apparently | 21:43 |
| Alverstone | but IIRC it should be logged elsewhere | 21:43 |
| Alverstone | dmesg maybe | 21:43 |
| Alverstone | ? | 21:43 |
| Alverstone | Or maybe somehow redirect the thing to tty10 | 21:44 |
| Alverstone | So it doesn't mess with my workflow | 21:45 |
| Alverstone | But how? | 21:45 |
| Xenguy | How now brown cow | 21:48 |
| rwp | I have not fully grok'd the operation of runit and the others of that design. It's on my too long to-do list to happen one day though. | 21:49 |
| Alverstone | https://superuser.com/questions/30123/terminal-with-real-time-dmesg-output | 21:50 |
| Alverstone | I feel stupid now, isn't syslogd like vlogger? I mean it's socklogd that actually writes logs no? Why syslog.conf? | 21:51 |
| rwp | I fear that superuser discussion is not fully thought out. | 21:52 |
| rwp | I'll share my reference notes on it. https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/include/linux/kern_levels.h | 21:52 |
| rwp | http://tuxthink.blogspot.com/2012/07/printk-and-console-log-level.html | 21:53 |
| rwp | https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/core-api/printk-basics.html | 21:53 |
| rwp | I set dmesg -n5 in my firewall startup but it could go in any local startup. Red Hat sets it by default. As I said Devuan/Debian does not set it and uses the Linux kernel default. Which is open. | 21:55 |
| fsmithred | finally back to normal. I had to install sysvinit-core a couple of times and also run fsck twice. Might be the hard drive it dying. | 21:57 |
| fsmithred | Alverstone, to answer a question you asked and probably figure out already, debian doesn't care about runit, but the debian maintainer for runit does care. | 21:58 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred, be S.M.A.R.T | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I did smart already and it's the other drive that's dying | 21:58 |
| rwp | "smartctl -t short /dev/sda" sleep 120 then "smartctl -l selftest /dev/sda" ?? | 21:58 |
| fsmithred | 2400+ reallocated sectors | 21:58 |
| rwp | That does not sound good. | 21:58 |
| Alverstone | fsmithred, yes I think with Lorenzo the issue will be resolved, he's a nice guy | 21:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's why I switched to using this drive, but maybe smartd doesn't see the problem (or I don't know how to read it.) | 21:59 |
| Alverstone | I think I figured it out. svlogd does log writing and sorting between different directories using syslog.conf. socklog writes to svlogd | 22:00 |
| Alverstone | I hope I figured it out at least :D | 22:00 |
| fsmithred | you do know that excalibur is still in testing, right? Probably won't be ready until next year. | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | not even in freeze yet | 22:03 |
| fsmithred | holy shit, he answered already! | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | nope. My mistake. He answered something else. | 22:07 |
| Alverstone | I don't want stable | 22:10 |
| Alverstone | Or rather, I don't want stable now | 22:10 |
| Alverstone | I've been stable for two years now | 22:10 |
| Alverstone | I want to be testing | 22:11 |
| Alverstone | at least for a while | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | That's fine, as long as you know. Lots of updates and possibly some breakage occasionally. | 22:13 |
| Alverstone | plz no breakage :'( | 22:16 |
| Xenguy | Alverstone, Incorrect... you want stable | 22:16 |
| Xenguy | Why? | 22:17 |
| Alverstone | Xenguy, convince me :D | 22:17 |
| Xenguy | Cos it's stable | 22:17 |
| Xenguy | Full stop | 22:17 |
| Alverstone | yep been a breeze with Debian so far, but I want to roll for a while X_X | 22:17 |
| Xenguy | I'm on oldstable in fact | 22:17 |
| Alverstone | why> | 22:17 |
| Alverstone | why? | 22:17 |
| Xenguy | Why not? | 22:18 |
| Xenguy | == stable | 22:18 |
| Alverstone | Wanna a fan fact? | 22:18 |
| Xenguy | The trailing edge | 22:18 |
| Alverstone | Virtualbox 7.1 onwards uses qt6 which blasted my ass off, because qt6ct doesn't work in Debian yet | 22:18 |
| Xenguy | All the vulnerabilities arrive on the front end, don't they? | 22:18 |
| Alverstone | and qt6ct isn't compatible with qt5ct | 22:18 |
| Alverstone | qt upgrading every 2 years is just stupid | 22:19 |
| Alverstone | Xenguy, yep you're right | 22:19 |
| Xenguy | Sorry you have to deal with virtualbox | 22:19 |
| Alverstone | No need to care about security too much | 22:19 |
| Xenguy | BS | 22:19 |
| Xenguy | Next | 22:19 |
| Xenguy | ? | 22:19 |
| Alverstone | ? | 22:19 |
| Xenguy | ? | 22:19 |
| Alverstone | wtf did I install that my output for most utilities is not beautifully colored? | 22:20 |
| Alverstone | I've never had this on Debian | 22:20 |
| Alverstone | is now* | 22:20 |
| Xenguy | Nevertheless | 22:20 |
| Alverstone | ip r highlights ip addresses and such that's so cool | 22:20 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what does that | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | and I don't think I'm getting that (boot colors) on my excal. | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | if we have it, it's in trixie, too | 22:22 |
| Alverstone | even apt does a pretty printing | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | I do get the colors in ip's output | 22:24 |
| Alverstone | huh maybe it's just what an update does to people like me | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | probably borrowed from ubuntu | 22:24 |
| Alverstone | Time to test my wifi driver gonna reboot. Probably won't reconnect because I want to sleep anyway :D | 22:25 |
| Alverstone | good night | 22:25 |
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