| devuanconsumer | How can I revert back to firmware-amd-graphics 20221214-2? I have tried adding the chimaera sources but it only lists a 2021 version. Please help! | 06:33 |
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| devuanconsumer | thank you | 06:34 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: go to snapshots.debian.org and read the instructions, you should be able to find other versions, if not that one maybe one close enough | 06:35 |
| gnarface | (this isn't safe in general, to use debian packages in devuan, but for this package it probably is) | 06:35 |
| gnarface | (and we don't have snapshots for devuan, unfortunately, afaik) | 06:35 |
| mason | devuanconsumer: does apt-cache madison firmware-amd-graphics show you the version you want? | 06:39 |
| mason | devuanconsumer: If so, "apt install firmware-amd-graphics=foo" where foo is the specific version might be what you want. | 06:39 |
| devuanconsumer | no | 06:39 |
| devuanconsumer | i tried that | 06:39 |
| devuanconsumer | and it didn't work | 06:39 |
| mason | Ah, you'd need to figure out where the version you want lives in. | 06:39 |
| devuanconsumer | so how do i use the snapshot | 06:39 |
| mason | Yeah, if apt-cache madison doesn't show it, you can't install it with apt yet. | 06:39 |
| devuanconsumer | i'm too noob lol | 06:40 |
| mason | Looking. | 06:40 |
| mason | devuanconsumer: What's that version from? I'm not seeing versions near that after a quick search. | 06:41 |
| devuanconsumer | chimaera | 06:41 |
| devuanconsumer | that was the one that works with my ryzen 7950x | 06:42 |
| devuanconsumer | otherwise the latest one from 2023 causes my system to freeze | 06:42 |
| devuanconsumer | it sucks that we don't keep snapshots for devuan because this isn't the first time i have issues with firmware-amd-graphics causes graphical issues and constant restarting | 06:44 |
| devuanconsumer | as well as freezing | 06:44 |
| mason | devuanconsumer: I'm looking for that older version, but it might be worth trying going newer too. | 06:45 |
| mason | http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free-firmware/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-amd-graphics_20240709-2_all.deb or something | 06:45 |
| adhoc | welcome to manufactures that do not document their stuff well for free software folks to build from | 06:46 |
| adhoc | most of us vote with our dollars, else where as a result | 06:46 |
| mason | I'm hopefully moving over from nVidia to AMD myself tomorrow. | 06:46 |
| devuanconsumer | i can't login to my computer that i upgraded the amd graphics firmware on becuase it freezes, how do i uninstall the amd-graphics card driver from the command line? i forget | 06:46 |
| adhoc | apt-get remote $PACKAGE | 06:47 |
| adhoc | apt-get remove $PACKAGE | 06:47 |
| mason | This clearly misses that 2022 version as well: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/ | 06:47 |
| mason | s/clearly/cleanly/ | 06:47 |
| devuanconsumer | i have that 2022 version installed on other computers | 06:48 |
| devuanconsumer | can i somehow get it from there lol | 06:48 |
| mason | devuanconsumer: Ah, good idea. Yeah, look in /var/cache/apt/archives in one or more boxes where it's installed. | 06:49 |
| devuanconsumer | then what do i do? | 06:50 |
| devuanconsumer | just copy it in there? | 06:50 |
| mason | Well. If you see it, there it is. Maybe get it to the box that needs it, and apt install ./foo | 06:50 |
| mason | Might need to update-initramcs -c -k all after, unsure. | 06:50 |
| mason | update-initramfs* | 06:51 |
| devuanconsumer | ok | 06:51 |
| mason | devuanconsumer: Tell me if you find it. I'm curious now. | 06:51 |
| devuanconsumer | yes will do tomorrow its late here | 06:51 |
| devuanconsumer | but how do i remove the amd graphics driver i installed from the command line at boot up? | 06:52 |
| mason | Realize though that if I remember correctly, AMD drivers are in the kernel now, and the issue you're seeing could conceivably be there. | 06:52 |
| mason | Oh. Hm. I wonder if "nomodeset" on the kernel command line would do it. Any chance you can ssh in and do it that way? | 06:53 |
| mason | Tired here too, so good night and good luck. | 06:55 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: if all else fails, don't be lazy. just read the instructions on snapshot.debian.org, they make it clear enough. | 07:22 |
| gnarface | they archive periodic copies of the repos, you just have to formulate a proper sources.list line from the date of around the time the version you want was in the repo | 07:22 |
| gnarface | that package doesn't update very often, so it should be in there | 07:23 |
| gnarface | you might be able to find it just using their search box too | 07:23 |
| gnarface | in fact, you can. it was super easy, it's right here: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/firmware-nonfree/20221214-2/#firmware-amd-graphics_20221214-2 | 07:25 |
| gnarface | that's not a forked package so it should be safe to use in devuan | 07:26 |
| joerg | gnarface: re marcFP, see http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-03.log.html#t2024-09-03T17:54:24 which seems to indicate that the problem is no driver/firmware for the Alder lake been uploaded to the graphics card and thus it can't work. The "seat" related errors are only the fallout from root cause "no videocard found", aiui | 14:48 |
| joerg | oh my! Is this Alder Lake or Adler Lake now? | 14:55 |
| joerg | https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/b3454ce0b2c8a56e760e6baa88ed10278585072b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gt/uc/intel_uc.c#L38-L42 (>>if (IS_ALDERLAKE_S(i915) && !IS_ADLS_RPLS(i915)) {<<) vs `apt-cache show firmware-misc-nonfree|less -j5 +'/Adler'` (>>* Intel "Adler Lake" DMC firmware, version 2.01 (i915/adls_dmc_ver2_01.bin)<<) | 15:01 |
| joerg | no surprise you can't find any matching firmware for "ALDER lake" when they call the craphicscard "ADLER lake" | 15:05 |
| gnarface | i thought we'd fixed this once before by just grabbing another package from somewhere, maybe backports has it? | 15:20 |
| joerg | have a look at the X0org.log marcfp posted | 16:02 |
| joerg | seems to me there's simply no appropriate videocard to be found | 16:02 |
| joerg | also have a look at (archlinux, but doesn't really matter in this context, right?) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Enable_GuC_/_HuC_firmware_loading | 16:03 |
| dostoyevsky2 | can one imagine devuan like the current debian release with systemd replaced? | 16:04 |
| golinux | Yes. No need to imagine. | 16:06 |
| marcfp | hi | 16:09 |
| devuanconsumer | thank you for accommodating my laziness @ gnarface | 16:11 |
| gnarface | joerg: but that arch link only seems to be concerned with enabling hardware video decoding, not just basic functionality, or am i missing something? | 16:11 |
| devuanconsumer | I just always consistently type things incorrectly... and waste hours.. | 16:12 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: you just need practice. | 16:12 |
| joerg | it's titled (and about): "Intel graphics" | 16:12 |
| devuanconsumer | how can i bring up the commandline to uninstall a package without logging to an account? I need to uninstall the new firmware-amd-graphics package because it's freezing the computer | 16:13 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: it freezes when you try to log in? | 16:14 |
| gnarface | or at boot? | 16:14 |
| gnarface | if you're at a graphical login prompt and it's still stable, try ctrl+alt+F2 | 16:16 |
| gnarface | then log in at the text prompt, and do it there | 16:16 |
| gnarface | if you can't get that far, try the rescue mode option from the grub menu at initial boot up | 16:17 |
| devuanconsumer | when i try to login | 16:17 |
| joerg | gnarface: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Lake been "launched November 4, 2021", seems plausible that drivers/firmware for the graphics card are missing in some non-bleeding-edge packages | 16:17 |
| devuanconsumer | what's the command at the grub menu | 16:17 |
| devuanconsumer | thank you | 16:17 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: just dig into the "advanced" submenu, it shouldn't need any special command | 16:17 |
| gnarface | but if you can see the actual graphical login prompt you can probably do ctrl+alt+F2 and just log in normally there, since it will be in text mode | 16:18 |
| marcfp | does anyone tried it ? https://github.com/intel/media-driver ? | 16:21 |
| devuanconsumer | ok thanks - does this look correct? deb http://snapshot.debian.org/package/firmware-nonfree/20221214-2/#firmware-amd-graphics_20221214-2 chimaera main | 16:21 |
| devuanconsumer | deb http://snapshot.debian.org/package/firmware-nonfree/20221214-2/#firmware-amd-graphics_20221214-2 bullseye main | 16:21 |
| devuanconsumer | do i put chimaera or bullseye? | 16:21 |
| gnarface | devuanconsumer: no, doesn't look right to me, but you should be able to just copy the link from that page and download it with wget | 16:22 |
| gnarface | (or download it from another computer and copy it over with a usb key or something) | 16:22 |
| gnarface | "wget http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20221220T092023Z/pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-amd-graphics_20221214-2_all.deb" | 16:23 |
| gnarface | "dpkg -i firmware-amd-graphics_20221214-2_all.deb" | 16:23 |
| gnarface | no sources editing necessary; it's just one package | 16:24 |
| devuanconsumer | oh ok | 16:25 |
| joerg | marcfp: did you manage to get your X11 working with your Alder Lake graphics now? | 16:28 |
| joerg | marcfp: note that some funny devs occasionally call it "Adler Lake" (note the spelling!) | 16:30 |
| marcfp | joerg: no, probably, until sunday, i can't try anything becouse i'm far away of computer | 16:30 |
| joerg | aaah ok | 16:30 |
| marcfp | i'm with my laptop | 16:30 |
| marcfp | os[Linux 6.1.0-25-amd64 - Debian 12.6] up[ 23 minutes] cpu[Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-6200U CPU @ 2.30GHz SMP (2 processors), 800.000 MHz (9600 bogomips)] mem[ 6503.11/6941.55 MB (93.7%)] video[ at 1920x1080 (32 bits)] | 16:31 |
| joerg | I'm guessing you need the right drivers/firmware for the Alder Lake graphics card | 16:31 |
| marcfp | i'm using devuan | 16:31 |
| marcfp | joerg: ok, i understand it ... but how can i install them at devuan ? | 16:31 |
| joerg | let's check that when you got access to your Alderlake computer again | 16:32 |
| marcfp | joerg: ok!!!! thank's a lot!!!! | 16:32 |
| marcfp | or a lot of thank's (like catenglish is) | 16:32 |
| marcfp | joerg: are you busy ? | 16:34 |
| gnarface | joerg: i'm sure we dealt with some alder lake mess before, but my searches suggest there's been compatibility issues with alder lake wifi too. maybe fsmithred remembers... | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | I don't | 16:34 |
| marcfp | can i ask to you about this issue ? | 16:35 |
| fsmithred | Do not ask permission to ask questions! Just ask. | 16:35 |
| marcfp | fsmithred: i want to be polite ... | 16:36 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: it's a alder lake video card. xorg says it can't find the video card | 16:36 |
| gnarface | joerg thinks the firmware is missing. i think that's plausible but i also think i've seen the same error for other video cards explained by at least 10 other causes | 16:37 |
| fsmithred | Do we know which firmware package has the right stuff? | 16:38 |
| joerg | marcfp came here from telegram, there been a lead-in story to that | 16:38 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: no, we don't, but typically most intel graphics don't need extra packages just to get the display up | 16:38 |
| fsmithred | Yeah I've seen the telegram pat | 16:38 |
| marcfp | lead-in story ?? WTF!!! i don't understand ... let me check at wordreference what does it mean :S | 16:38 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, right. And google suggests that some people get it to work with the older software, too | 16:39 |
| gnarface | marcfp: this is a support channel, so the etiquette is to just ask without any preamble | 16:39 |
| marcfp | gnarface: ok:) nice to know it | 16:39 |
| fsmithred | marcfp, the "lead-in story" is stuff we discussed yesterday or day before in telegram channel. | 16:39 |
| marcfp | initial history | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 16:40 |
| marcfp | thank's again for tech my english :) | 16:40 |
| marcfp | jajajaj | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | teach? | 16:41 |
| marcfp | teach, yes | 16:41 |
| marcfp | i missed 'a' letter | 16:41 |
| marcfp | to me | 16:41 |
| marcfp | not my | 16:41 |
| marcfp | :S | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | I have a daedalus (refracta) live iso with backports kernel and some firmware installed in case we want to try that. | 16:41 |
| marcfp | fsmithred: can i try your deadalus live iso on sunday ? | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | The only intel firmware it has is microcode | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you want the link now? | 16:42 |
| marcfp | yes ... | 16:42 |
| marcfp | will be until sunday this link aviable ? | 16:42 |
| fsmithred | yes | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta_12_bpo6.9.7_amd64-20240731_0049.iso | 16:43 |
| marcfp | i download it to my laptop | 16:43 |
| marcfp | now | 16:43 |
| fsmithred | https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/ <- here is the directory. There's also .sha256 file and a .asc file | 16:43 |
| marcfp | ok | 16:44 |
| joerg | fsmithred: ((debian)) """ apt-cache show $(apt-cache search adler|sed -n 's/^\([^ ]*firmware[^ ]*\).*/\1/;T;p')|less -j5 +'/Adler' """ -> firmware-misc-nonfree https://i.imgur.com/MuHc5xE.jpeg | 16:52 |
| joerg | fsmithred: note the spelling! ;-P | 16:53 |
| marcfp | joerg: what are you searching for with this command ? | 16:55 |
| joerg | for "Adler" | 16:55 |
| gnarface | hmm, using backports packages rings a bell here | 16:56 |
| marcfp | if i understand well, you are searching for driver for graphics card Adler, right ? | 16:56 |
| joerg | and adlp_guc* firmware etc | 16:56 |
| marcfp | ok | 16:56 |
| joerg | marcfp: yes | 16:56 |
| gnarface | marcfp: there seems to be some evidence that the kernel devs have alternatingly called this both Alder and Adler, which could be contributing to the problem | 16:57 |
| joerg | ^^^ | 16:58 |
| marcfp | gnarface: ok | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | ok, my test iso does have firmware-misc-nonfree installed | 16:58 |
| marcfp | fsmithred: then, with your iso i should install devuan fine at my new computer | 16:59 |
| gnarface | marcfp: it's a live iso, so you really just need to boot it to see if it has the fix | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | well, I figured we would talk about installation after we find out if it works | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, maybe you can just install the package you need in the installation you already have | 17:00 |
| marcfp | fsmithred: the package ... do you know the name of "the package" ? | 17:01 |
| gnarface | "firmware-misc-nonfree" | 17:01 |
| marcfp | if i remeber well, i have already installed it | 17:01 |
| gnarface | also maybe the backports kernel | 17:02 |
| marcfp | but until i not be in front of the computer i can't check it | 17:02 |
| joerg | https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics ^F alder | 17:02 |
| marcfp | (excuse my low english skill) | 17:03 |
| joerg | https://i.imgur.com/FPUwhCM.jpeg | 17:04 |
| joerg | see context top to bottom of this whole page | 17:05 |
| joerg | >>Since Intel provides and supports open source drivers, Intel graphics are essentially plug-and-play. << hehe, until it's _not_ ;-) | 17:08 |
| marcfp | i don't understand very well ... if you are agree, i will test it with fsmithred iso when i'm in front of the computer. | 17:08 |
| gnarface | marcfp: yes, try fsmithred's test iso, and get back to us | 17:09 |
| marcfp | gnarface: ok!! thank's a lot for all!!!! and excuse my noise | 17:09 |
| gnarface | it's no problem | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | yw. It's not noise. | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | asking for support in a support channel <- This is the way. | 17:10 |
| marcfp | may the force be with you :) | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | :) | 17:14 |
| Elw3 | is there a way to put persistance on a live install? | 21:07 |
| Xenguy | Elw3, fsmithred would know | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | Elw3, if you install, then the installed system has normal read/write behavior. | 21:20 |
| Elw3 | If i install, i cant boot it. | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | If you want to make a live usb with persistence, you can use refracta2usb which is not in the repo. | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | ok, so we can try to fix that | 21:20 |
| fsmithred | what happens when you try to boot? How far does it get? | 21:21 |
| Elw3 | Ideally i just want a real install on some thimbdrvile that i can switch around but this dosesnt work as it used to be, thanks efi i guess. | 21:21 |
| Elw3 | If i put the disk on a different computer than it was installed on it just gets to a grub console. | 21:22 |
| fsmithred | If you do a real install on the usb, I think you have to choose either uefi or legacy bios | 21:22 |
| fsmithred | Do you want to use this usb on your own computers or on someone else's computers? | 21:23 |
| Elw3 | Ideally it should boot everywhere same as a live disk | 21:23 |
| fsmithred | wow, I think I have one that's set up the way you want, but it's tricky, and I'm not even absolutely sure what I did. | 21:24 |
| fsmithred | I made a live-usb and left a big space to do a regular install | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | the live part boots and has a boot entry for the installation on the big partition | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | so I can boot to a live session or boot to my installed system | 21:25 |
| fsmithred | I can get you some links. Back in a couple minutes... | 21:26 |
| Elw3 | My tldr is basically that this used to be a linux norm like 15 years ago, any distro installed can be put in any computer and it just boots and i wonder what went wrong that this isnt so anymore. Its so annoying. | 21:27 |
| fsmithred | someone invented uefi | 21:30 |
| Elw3 | yea but live disks still all boot | 21:31 |
| Elw3 | I cant really get the hang of it what there is different here. | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | fdisk -l some-live.iso | 21:32 |
| fsmithred | you'll see an extra partition for the uefi | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | I don't actually know how it works, but I can make live-isos that boot both ways. | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/refracta2usb-2.4.3.deb | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | You can read about it here: https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt | 21:34 |
| fsmithred | short version: make a fat32 partition at the beginning of the stick, big enough to hold a live iso or maybe a few if you want more. | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | and a big ext4 partition for the installed system | 21:35 |
| fsmithred | make a live iso on the first partition | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | install normally on the big partition and don't install a bootloader | 21:36 |
| fsmithred | edit the live systems boot menu to include an entry for the installed system | 21:36 |
| Elw3 | Gosh everything has become so stupidly hard now | 21:40 |
| gnarface | doesn't the old way to do persistence on a live iso still work? i thought it did, i always forget the details but it wasn't actually a difficult task, it's like, you add another partion on the usb key and call it "persistence" then set a kernel cmdline option... something like that | 21:41 |
| Elw3 | What happened to just dropping a fs image in the root of a fat32 drive and call it a day? | 21:41 |
| fsmithred | yes, you can do that with refracta2usb - persistent partition or persistent loopback file | 21:42 |
| fsmithred | dd iso to usb works but no persistence | 21:42 |
| Elw3 | T-T this all worked at some point, i hate the future. | 21:43 |
| fsmithred | You can have full persistence which will let you add packages, but they overlay the originals instead of replacing them so at some point you use twice the space. | 21:43 |
| gnarface | the performance sucks too, it's really only appropriate for emergencies | 21:45 |
| fsmithred | seems to suck worse as the usb sticks get bigger | 21:46 |
| fsmithred | but I have one with live and installed systems as described, and I mainly use the installed system. It's not too bad. 128G sandisk | 21:47 |
| Elw3 | My dads booting his laptop from a platter disk over usb right now, it creeps me out so hard. | 21:47 |
| Elw3 | But he needs to have a drive booting everywhere, and the suckers keep getting corrupted. | 21:47 |
| Elw3 | So every few weeks he falls back to this platter disk of which there is a knoppix from 2007 | 21:48 |
| fsmithred | bb in 10min | 21:49 |
| fsmithred | It might be possible to install normally to the disk and install grub to the mbr and to the efi partition. I don't know. | 22:01 |
| Elw3 | But why would we need the efi partition if the mbr could boot? | 22:02 |
| onefang | Just woke up and skimming the backlog. Feel the urge to throw out this before I head off to my appointment. The proper name is obviously Addled Lake. B-) | 23:45 |
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