libera/#devuan/ Friday, 2024-06-14

dev-odessais it possible to boot devuan to ram?03:38
AlexLikeRockyes03:39
dev-odessawhat image has this option ?03:41
fonkyhi all08:57
fonkyhttps://pastebin.com/BXNW378y08:59
fonkyinstalled from daedalus iso-dvd09:00
fonkytried -t ceres dist-upgrade09:00
fonkyi also have all 3 stable repos for daedalus in sources.list09:01
brocashelmdid you install usrmerge?09:07
brocashelmsee this announcement: https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/excalibur-usrmerge-announce-2024-02-20.html09:09
fonkyoh, no, not yet09:12
fonkyty for the info09:13
brocashelmnp09:15
al1r4dhello17:08
al1r4dufw vs iptable, which is better?17:08
djphit's all netfilter on the backend...17:10
djphUFW seems okay-ish; but *seems* to be a little simplistic17:11
XenguyIsn't ufw a specific instance built with iptables?17:11
djphbasically17:11
Xenguyufw is fine for simple use cases I think (like mine ; -)17:12
golinuxSimple is good at least in my world17:20
AlexLikeRocksop21:23
AlexLikeRockgood day guys21:23
AlexLikeRocki not found  :    /etc/X11/xorg.conf21:51
gnarfaceAlexLikeRock: this config file is now optional21:52
AlexLikeRock whats configuration used , my "LIVE DEVUAN "  ?21:56
AlexLikeRockthats new , for me /etc/X11/xorg.conf21:57
AlexLikeRockthats new , for me21:57
gnarfaceby default xorg now relies on auto-detect21:57
AlexLikeRock"optional "21:57
gnarfaceyou can still provide xorg.conf in whole or in part, if you don't like auto-detect21:57
AlexLikeRocknice ,21:58
AlexLikeRock but how to check out   what firmaware are using ?21:58
gnarfacethere should still be Xorg.0.log but most drivers have now switched to user mode instead of suid root, so the default log location for those has moved from /var/log/ to ~/.local/share/xorg/21:59
AlexLikeRockok, sounds good22:09
AlexLikeRockwhere its my cat ?22:09
AlexLikeRockanother question22:10
AlexLikeRockhow to make to drop out ,   this current  profile to xorg.conf   file ?22:11
AlexLikeRocklike backup22:14
AlexLikeRocklet  me take a look ,  if work fine  the other devuan ,  init 622:17
gnarfaceyou want to turn the auto-detected profile into a xorg.conf automatically? i'm not sure, though i recall there was some way like "X -configure [outfile]" or something like that22:26
gnarfacei'm having trouble finding a reference to it22:26
AlexLikeRockcat .dmrc22:46
AlexLikeRock[Desktop]22:46
AlexLikeRockSession=mate22:46
AlexLikeRockLanguage=es_MX.utf822:46
AlexLikeRockyes ,  -o22:46
AlexLikeRockhalt22:51
AlexLikeRockHELLOW23:17
AlexLikeRockits  me23:17
gnarfaceyo, figure out what you were trying to do?23:18
AlexLikeRock the OLD devuan ,  startx  whit root , but not andware keyboard  and mouse23:18
AlexLikeRockthe Xorg start  fine , thanks god23:18
gnarfacethe new one doesn't work? if you compare the xorg logs it might give you a clue23:19
AlexLikeRockthe new one, this it is !23:19
AlexLikeRockok, upload X.log23:19
AlexLikeRockdam !23:20
gnarfacepaste.debian.net23:20
AlexLikeRockthanks23:23
AlexLikeRockhttp://paste.debian.net/1320288/23:25
AlexLikeRockFailed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket23:25
AlexLikeRockneed reinstall  somting ?23:26
gnarfacehard to say, do you have that file?23:27
gnarfaceare you missing dbus maybe?23:27
gnarfaceyou need dbus now, though i think fsmithred has a custom image somewhere with special builds to avoid it..23:28
gnarfacealso, it looks like you're using the nouveau drivers instead of the nvidia official ones, which is usually a problem too23:28
gnarfaceAlexLikeRock: note that the nvidia official drivers (and all the other non-free drivers and firmware packages) moved from "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" as of current stable23:34
fsmithredI don't have a current no-dbus iso for download, but I've been using an excalibur/ceres no-dbus iso in qemu occasionally. It works. No display manager, Use startx to start a window manager. You need seatd installed.23:36
fsmithred...to do what I'm doing.23:36
fsmithredhttps://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158  <- discussion about running without dbus. You just need to be selective about what you install.23:37
AlexLikeRockfsmithred, they are run fine the GRAPHICS  my OLD DEVUAN23:38
AlexLikeRockthe only problem  now its  the the driver "keyboard"  KYB  at X1123:38
AlexLikeRockofficia drivers  i will run late23:39
AlexLikeRocknow , i need recover  my odl devuan23:39
gnarfaceAlexLikeRock: did you remember to put yourself into the "input" group on the new system? if the old system is still using nvidia drivers you wouldn't have to, since you only need that in user mode not suid root mode23:39
AlexLikeRockno23:40
gnarfaceyou'll want to be in the video group too23:40
AlexLikeRockold = nouveau  driver23:40
gnarfaceoh, hmm.23:40
gnarfacenever had a problem with the keyboard showing up, but sometimes i've had problems where it picks the wrong device as the default keyboard23:41
gnarfacexorg auto-detect just picks the first one it finds unless you specifically select one in the xorg.conf, and sometimes it might mistakenly pick up a gaming mouse instead23:42
gnarface(roccat mice and steam controllers for example both show up as both a keyboard and a mouse, and sometimes they'll preempt the real keyboard in auto-detect mode)23:42
AlexLikeRocki had this problem some 5 years ago23:43
AlexLikeRockbut i dont remembar23:43
gnarfaceif it's a very new keyboard and a very old kernel maybe the driver is really missing, but with keyboards that's so rarely been an issue for me...23:43
gnarfaceactually maybe never, but other usb devices i've definitely seen missing drivers before23:43
gnarfaceif that's the case, you should be able to tell by the dmesg entries that appear after plugging it in23:44
AlexLikeRocknop. its new kernel  :23:44
AlexLikeRock6.1023:44
AlexLikeRockthis23:44
AlexLikeRock6.123:44
AlexLikeRockits the same , i copy manual to old devuan23:44
AlexLikeRocklet me upload  dmesg23:45
AlexLikeRockhttp://paste.debian.net/1320288/   line  : 52 and 5323:46
AlexLikeRock[   168.706] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled.23:46
AlexLikeRock[   168.706] (WW) Disabling Mouse023:46
AlexLikeRock[   168.706] (WW) Disabling Keyboard023:46
gnarfacethat doesn't look like dmesg output,t hat looks like it's still xorg output....23:47
gnarfacethat's weird23:47
gnarfaceclearly says it's disabling them though...23:47
AlexLikeRockits xorg  log23:47
gnarfaceoh, i thought you said you were gonna upload the dmesg23:47
AlexLikeRockyes23:47
AlexLikeRockyes, but  , wait23:48
AlexLikeRock wait23:48
AlexLikeRock why are disabling ??23:48
gnarfacegood question23:48
gnarfaceunplug the keyboard, then run dmesg, then plug it back in and run dmesg again, and just paste the new lines that appeared23:48
gnarfacelet's double check your kernel even recognizes the device first23:49
gnarfaceactually, my xorg log says the same thing, so that's not the problem here23:49
AlexLikeRockdmesg     http://paste.debian.net/1320291/23:50
AlexLikeRockits a LAPTOP, i cant do this  acction23:50
gnarfaceoy vey23:50
AlexLikeRockline 77423:51
AlexLikeRock[   20.551691] input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/input2123:51
gnarfacehuh, looks like it's actually a AT keyboard not USB anyway?23:52
gnarfacelook also at line 411, i think that's what that means anyway23:52
gnarfaceis it possible you're just missing libinput or libevdev2 or something like that?23:53
gnarfacemake sure you have these packages: libinput10 libinput-bin libevdev223:54
AlexLikeRockyes23:55
AlexLikeRock[    0.850664] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input023:55
AlexLikeRockok, searching  at forums   ...23:56
gnarfaceoh, make sure you have this one too: xserver-xorg-input-libinput23:57
gnarfaceand also this one: xserver-xorg-input-evdev23:57
gnarfaceand just to be sure, also xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse just in case, though probably not being used anymore from what we're seeing23:58
AlexLikeRock aptitude install libinput-dev xserver-xorg-input-libinput libinput-bin23:58
gnarfacethey don't take up much space so they shouldn't matter much23:58
AlexLikeRockxserver-xorg-input-libinput ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (0.30.0-1)23:58
AlexLikeRockits all ready isntall it23:59
gnarfacehmm, this is current devaun daedalus? i've got version 1.2.1-1+b1 for that23:59

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