| paculino | I did that from a kubuntu live boot once | 00:46 |
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| paculino | Isn't there another debootstrap-like thing that uses apt for speed now? | 00:46 |
| paculino | Yeah, multistrap. | 00:47 |
| gnarface | maybe 2, but i don't remember the names | 00:47 |
| gnarface | not that speed was ever a problem with debootstrap for me... | 00:47 |
| paculino | It took three or four hours when I did it | 00:48 |
| paculino | Of course, I have everything on an external HDD connected with USB 2 | 00:48 |
| gnarface | i'm usually not using it for more than a base system install of 500-600MB or so directly from a local caching proxy | 00:51 |
| onefang | You might be thinking of mmdebstrap. I use it. Not heard of multistrap before. | 00:57 |
| onefang | Ah systemdlete isn't here right now, so I can't tell them that I've been having no problems running my constant VM installs from an apt-cacher-ng proxy runnnig on Chinaera. The test VMs are installing FrankenDaedalus. | 00:59 |
| onefang | The two go together. I'm using mmdebstrap in my script for installing Deadalus into the VMs it creates, and using apt-cacher-ng on the host so I'm not hitting the network each time I install the test OS, which can be several times a day, and can be a full desktop install sometimes. | 01:01 |
| onefang | Also thanks fsmithred for pointing out xserver-xephyr, sounds like it might be useful to me. | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | onefang, yw, paculino - see mmdebstrap | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | oh, onefang already mentioned it. | 01:22 |
| rrq | does mmdebstrap also use multiple source points (like multistrap)? | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | I don't know. I've only used it a couple times and didn't look into it much. | 01:24 |
| fsmithred | I know it uses apt. | 01:24 |
| onefang | I think it can do what you ask rrq. | 01:26 |
| onefang | Feed it multiple lines for the sources.list file, and it'll create that file in the chroot for you, then tell apt to use it to install the base system. | 01:27 |
| rrq | sounds good. (wasn't me but was what paculino talked about) | 01:29 |
| onefang | Quick look at the description of multistrap, and it sounds very similar to mmdebstrap. | 01:29 |
| onefang | But right now isn't the time for me to investigate if it's any better. I'm happy with mmdebstrap this time around. And I note that multistrap claims as a feature something I had to workaround in mmdebstrap that is a bug for me. lol | 01:32 |
| onefang | As for speed, when I'm testing my distro install script over and over, speed is important. | 01:33 |
| onefang | Right now I'm in the "let the result run in a VM for days, and actually use it for things to test and tweak" mode. | 01:34 |
| onefang | For the record, I used debootstrap for ASCII and Beowulf, switched to mmdebstrap for Chimaera and now Daedalus. Chimaera is the super desktop I'm doing all of these tests on. | 01:37 |
| ted-ious | So what are the differences between debootstrap and multistrap and mmdebstrap? | 01:50 |
| onefang | Mostly that mmdebstrap actually uses apt and dpkg inside the chroot it's buillding to install the packages. multistrap seems to do the same. | 01:54 |
| spine-o-saurus | hay what is this linux-base package? i uninstalled it and now the system doesnt boot up | 12:39 |
| rrq | did you see what else got uninstalled? | 12:49 |
| rrq | all linux-image-* packages depend on linux-base | 12:50 |
| spine-o-saurus | just that one only | 12:52 |
| spine-o-saurus | had to chroot and install that again now it boots back into os | 12:53 |
| rrq | so it did boot up? | 12:55 |
| spine-o-saurus | ya | 12:56 |
| rrq | and you still have a linux-image-xxx installed? | 12:57 |
| gordonDrogon | Not a Devuan specific, but just to check: I want to hibernate laptop but it looks like it needs a swap PARTITION not swap file. Default swap partition as 1GB, so need to resize. | 12:57 |
| spine-o-saurus | ya | 12:57 |
| gordonDrogon | there are guides online for using a swap file, but they all assume a systemd system - e.g. Devian.. | 12:58 |
| rrq | spine-o-saurus: doesn't make sense, but whatever.. things work now again I suppose | 12:58 |
| gordonDrogon | hibernate does work - but only for a short time after boot - after that I guess too much ram (8GB) gets used for the swap partition. | 12:58 |
| gordonDrogon | so before I try to resize stuff - if anynoe knows different I'd appreciate it ... | 12:59 |
| CueXXIII | should work with devuan, too, just give resume=/path/to/swapfile and make sure it is mounted via fstab | 12:59 |
| CueXXIII | and you *need* an initrd mounting the swapfile | 12:59 |
| * gordonDrogon ponders | 12:59 | |
| CueXXIII | not mounting, swapon it | 13:00 |
| gordonDrogon | aye. | 13:00 |
| gordonDrogon | I guess I've nothing to lose at this point - laptop is relatively newly installed. | 13:00 |
| gordonDrogon | well... the first part of https://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation/Hibernate_Without_Swap_Partition seems to work... | 13:11 |
| cousin_luigi | How can I tell if an app or a module is multithreaded? | 14:08 |
| cousin_luigi | htop shows only one of the cores maxing out and it's a slow machine | 14:08 |
| spine-o-saurus | check ps | 14:34 |
| avir327 | cousin_luigi, as you mention htop: it provides keyboard shortcuts to toggle the visibility of user (H) and kernel (K) threads | 14:41 |
| cousin_luigi | Right | 14:42 |
| cousin_luigi | So, the problem is with ksoftirqd. I see 4 threads but only one at the time appears to max out, which might affect performance. Would irqbalance help? | 14:43 |
| avir327 | Wouldn't this depend of the multithreading ability of the app/module in your original question? | 15:38 |
| cousin_luigi | avir327: I wish I knew more. I'm not sure if this depends form the pppoe module or the nic driver itself | 16:19 |
| cousin_luigi | Or something else inbetween | 16:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | good morning DEVUAN guys | 17:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | ow its going DAEDALUS ? | 17:14 |
| blizzow | my /etc/apt/sources.list is this line: | 17:35 |
| blizzow | deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 17:35 |
| blizzow | I haven't seen a package update in months. Only additional repos like mozilla, signal, spotify, brave, seem to be updating. | 17:36 |
| Xenguy | blizzow, See devuan.org/os/packages | 17:43 |
| Xenguy | You may need to add some additional lines | 17:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | blizzow, maybe you are allready UPDATE | 17:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | blizzow, could you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to https://pastebin.mozilla.org | 17:52 |
| golinux | Hello AlexLikeRock! I seem to keep missing you!! | 17:55 |
| golinux | Always nice to see you here . . . | 17:56 |
| AlexLikeRock | jejeje, thsnks so much! ^_^ | 18:02 |
| AlexLikeRock | you make me blush | 18:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | you make me blush ^_^ | 18:03 |
| blizzow | AlexLikeRock, my entire sources.list is the one line above. I think I figured it out. removing contrib and using just deb.devuan.org instead of us.deb.devuan.org seems to have gotten me to a place where I see lots of updates. | 19:06 |
| * Xenguy shrugs... | 19:43 | |
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