| golinux | What a mess . . . | 00:00 |
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| mason | rrq: Compatibility with Solaris was my main take-away. | 00:07 |
| mason | Either that or it's a cult loyalty test. Not sure. | 00:12 |
| rrq | :) sounds important yes .. like "mind-space convenience" for the dual-role sysadmins? .. or would we be talking about shared code collections between linux and solaris systems? | 00:13 |
| * rrq sorry... I'm drifting to offtopic again | 00:15 | |
| onefang | I thought it was a scheme to get bored sysadmins arguing over something. Seems to have worked. | 00:15 |
| mason | rrq: https://0x0.st/Hx2U.png | 00:15 |
| rrq | so it's not done for solving a problem? | 00:20 |
| rrq | no wonder linux has done well without it so far. | 00:21 |
| bb|hcb | "cult loyalty test" +1 | 00:23 |
| Unit193 | I'd specifically like to note that helmut was not the initial driver, he's just the one that came along to actually clean up the mess that others made and actually complete the migration. | 00:28 |
| Unit193 | And he's doing a dang good job of it, very thoughtful. | 00:28 |
| rrq | well, he is paid to do it so it better be good. | 00:29 |
| bb|hcb | Unit193: Thanks for clarifying! (For me it is obvious, but if s.o. doesn't follow the Debian discussion it may not be) | 00:32 |
| Unit193 | ...By the people that do ELTS stuff, who I suspect didn't want to deal with that crap later. | 00:33 |
| rrq | who? | 00:34 |
| mason | https://www.freexian.com/ | 00:35 |
| rrq | so that company wants linux to have improved compatibility with solaris, at least enough to pay someone (helmut) to push it through? | 00:42 |
| rrq | and that's good enough reason for debian to go along with it. | 00:43 |
| bb|hcb | rrq: Not really. Long story short: A certain group started that without considering anything on the path. Then a company seeing that Debian is going in a bad way sponsored Helmut to unmess it... | 00:45 |
| rrq | "unmess it" ? you mean "force mess it" maybe :) | 00:46 |
| bb|hcb | Helmut was not part of the initiators. It is another story why instead of doing tons of work to fix it, it didn't go reverted | 00:46 |
| bb|hcb | Maybe Unit193 can shed some light on the latter | 00:48 |
| rrq | yeah. and idea of something that is not needed and doesn't solve a problem though "maybe good to have", causes problems to implement, so a company decides to pay someone to deal with those problems. That's something of a business plan. | 00:55 |
| Unit193 | bb|hcb: You seem pretty well informed to me! As far as I know too, Freexian wanted it fixed so got Helmut to do so. | 01:04 |
| rrq | is that Raphaël Hertzog.. and some few more? | 01:13 |
| rrq | his public history re Freexian seems to end in Feb 2022... what happened? did he/they get bought? | 01:17 |
| bb|hcb | If the company depends on Debian, it is obvious why they want it fixed. It is also clear what Helmut does and why. The part that I do not understand is why the change was not posponed/reverted/abandoned in Debian | 01:21 |
| bb|hcb | *postponed | 01:21 |
| rrq | yes I looked in the wrong place, found an October report: https://www.freexian.com/blog/debian-lts-report-2023-10/ | 01:22 |
| rrq | (though doesn't explain freexian's want of usrmerge) | 01:26 |
| bb|hcb | I do not think that they want it (wild, uneducated guess), more likely they want to avoid the problems that it brings | 01:56 |
| Unit193 | bb|hcb: FWIW, I have no evidence of it either but that's how I see it too. | 02:03 |
| rrq | ?? ar you saying that freexian don't want usrmerge and is paying helmut to make it not happen? | 02:12 |
| bb|hcb | More like they see what problems it will bring and paying to avoid them | 02:13 |
| rrq | so debian dev's spend time on implementing somthing that doesn;t solve a problem but their implementaion causes problems, and feexpian pays someone to make those problems somewhat lesser of problems? | 02:15 |
| bb|hcb | That is why I asked if someone knows and can explain thing unclear to me... | 02:18 |
| bb|hcb | *the thing | 02:18 |
| LeePen | Vmag clegrand | 10:26 |
| golinux | That's going to need some translation . . . | 17:26 |
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