| papa | Good morning from Japan. | 03:43 |
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| papa | gnarface Still awake? | 03:43 |
| papa | Struggling to get Daedalus 5.0.1 to display X/Xfce correctly. There's a strip on the left-hand side of the desktop that's beyond the edge of my display, and haven't been able to scroll, and changing graphics modes hasn't changed the problem. | 03:46 |
| papa | I was advised here to try installing the following firmware packages: firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-misc-nonfree, firmware-intel-graphics, firmware-intel-misc, firmware-intel-sound | 03:47 |
| papa | (Installing the *-intel-* packages with apt-get caused the firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-misc-nonfree to be uninstalled automatically.) | 03:49 |
| Afdal | Do you mean a loose xfce panel? | 03:49 |
| Afdal | in the worst case I think you can simply remove it without being able to click on it by clicking on a different panel -> Panel Preferences | 03:50 |
| papa | Is there something else that needs to be done to activate the firmware packages other than apt-get install and then rebooting? Because doing that hasn't changed anything on my PC. | 03:50 |
| Afdal | and then selecting the naughty panel from the dropdown menu at the top | 03:50 |
| papa | Afdal None of the Xfce widgets are displayed. I get just the background wall paper and a short context menu. | 03:51 |
| Afdal | you don't have any sort of bottom panel? | 03:51 |
| Afdal | I'm sure there's a terminal command you can use to bring up the Panel Preferences window. What is it... | 03:52 |
| gnarface | papa: no, just installing them and rebooting should be enough. did you try making a xorg.conf that just explicitly set everything? | 03:52 |
| papa | No. None visible. There might be something on the left side of the desktop that's not being displayed on my monitor, but random clicks when the mouse is off the screen have found nothing. | 03:53 |
| Afdal | aha, it's xfce4-panel --preferences | 03:53 |
| Afdal | :) | 03:53 |
| Afdal | run that in a terminal to bring up the panel preferences stuff | 03:53 |
| Afdal | you might be able to fix things from there without being able to access the thing hiding off your screen display | 03:54 |
| papa | Wierd. "bash: xfce-panel: command not found" | 03:54 |
| Afdal | xfce4 | 03:54 |
| Afdal | needs the 4 on the end | 03:54 |
| papa | oh | 03:54 |
| Afdal | try tab-autocomplete :) | 03:54 |
| Afdal | actually, uh, you might even be able to adjust the pixel position parameters manually | 03:55 |
| Afdal | from one of the config files | 03:55 |
| Afdal | let's see, which file would that be in... | 03:56 |
| papa | OK, I've got a Panel Preferences window. | 03:56 |
| Afdal | aha, yes | 03:56 |
| Afdal | if you go into the Xfce Settings Editor | 03:56 |
| Afdal | you can manually adjust the position values of that panel hanging outside your screen | 03:57 |
| Afdal | to bring it back within the clickable area | 03:57 |
| Afdal | I think you might need to restart xfce4-panel after editing those in order for them to take effect though | 03:59 |
| papa | So in the Setting Editor panels > panel-1 > position? | 03:59 |
| papa | Current value is "p=6; x=0; y=0" | 04:00 |
| Afdal | oh no, actually they take effect instantly | 04:00 |
| Afdal | yeah :) | 04:00 |
| Afdal | okay so that tells me your panel is hiding somewhere in the top left | 04:00 |
| Afdal | try a middle value for x and y across your monitor resolution | 04:01 |
| Afdal | and set p=5 | 04:01 |
| Afdal | I think p refers to a corner-locked attribute or something | 04:01 |
| papa | So try something like "p=5;x=650;y=350" ? | 04:01 |
| Afdal | yeah | 04:02 |
| Afdal | try that | 04:02 |
| papa | No change. Can I restart Xfce from the terminal? | 04:03 |
| Afdal | yeah | 04:03 |
| Afdal | well | 04:03 |
| Afdal | parts of xfce are easier to restart than others | 04:03 |
| Afdal | what does the size value say | 04:04 |
| Afdal | for your panel | 04:04 |
| Afdal | in the settings editor | 04:04 |
| Afdal | oh actually maybe you have the span-monitors bit set to 1 | 04:04 |
| Afdal | that might be what's allowing your panel to escape your current display | 04:05 |
| papa | row size 26 pixels | 04:05 |
| Afdal | what about... | 04:05 |
| Afdal | autohide-behavior? | 04:05 |
| Afdal | to be honest if it was a position problem, you should probably be able to see if after adjusting those position values | 04:06 |
| Afdal | what's your current display resolution? | 04:07 |
| Afdal | actually umm | 04:08 |
| Afdal | What happens when you try to generate a new panel? | 04:08 |
| Afdal | In Panel Preferences? | 04:08 |
| Afdal | are you able to see and fiddle around with that panel at least? | 04:08 |
| papa | Your question about span-monitors gave me an idea. Maybe the missing strip on the left of the desktop is not actually missing, but Devuan is sending it to another monitor it mistakenly thinks I have. xrandr lists TWO connected displays, HDMI-2, which is what I am using, and VGA-1, which doesn't exist, but xrandr says is "connected primary". | 04:10 |
| Afdal | yeah that's why I'm wondering | 04:10 |
| Afdal | maybe your current xfce profile was set up for a multi-monitor setup? | 04:10 |
| Afdal | I'm curious if you can generate a new panel and have it configurable properly | 04:13 |
| papa | I have a KVM switch connected to my computer's VGA port, but am only using it for keyboard and mouse, there's not monitor attached. Maybe Devuan is detecting the switch and assuming there's a monitor there, which is where it's sending my Xfce panels. | 04:13 |
| Afdal | don't leave me hanging :D | 04:13 |
| papa | Is there a way to tell Xfce to just igore the VGA monitor? | 04:14 |
| Afdal | I think that's probably something you wanna resolve through xrandr | 04:14 |
| papa | How about xfce4-display-settings? | 04:15 |
| Afdal | actually | 04:15 |
| Afdal | try uh | 04:15 |
| papa | That works. | 04:15 |
| Afdal | the "Configure new displays when connected" toggle | 04:15 |
| Afdal | maybe turn that off? | 04:15 |
| papa | Where is that? | 04:18 |
| papa | Afdal Where is that toggle? | 04:20 |
| fsmithred | Applications, Preferences, Display, Advanced Tab | 04:23 |
| papa | Gotta go, but many thanks for the breakthrough! I think this may have fixed my problem. | 04:24 |
| rustyaxe | xfce panels have been kinda broken in annoying ways for awhile :( | 04:57 |
| papa | Back. About my display trouble, I said earlier that I have an MKV switch with no monitor attached, which seemed to be confusing Devuan. Actually, I had forgotten that the MKV switch is connected to my TV across the room. That is what Devuan was detecting and trying to use as my primary display (even though the TV isn't turned on). | 05:14 |
| papa | The Xfce display settings were persistent across logins without additional settings changes. | 05:16 |
| Afdal | :D | 05:18 |
| papa | I now have two problems: 1) The Xfce display settings only apply to the user that was logged in when I made the settings. Can the be made to apply to all users? 2) Slim is still trying to use my TV as the primary monitor. Is there a way to make it ignore the TV and use my HDMI monitor instead? | 05:19 |
| papa | Neither are huge problems since there will probably only be two users, root and my personal login, and I won't be sad to just deactivate slim and use startx after logging in on the console. | 05:23 |
| papa | 1) and 2) would both be solved by making Devuan ignore the TV from boot-up, although I would like to keep the option of using the TV as a secondary monitor occasionally. | 05:25 |
| freaxeh | do I need to format a swap partition after creating it in gparted? | 08:22 |
| papa | freaxeh I think you need to run mkswap. | 08:45 |
| freaxeh2 | ty | 08:57 |
| gnarface | papa: well, it's important that you've solved the mystery, but for the record this is exactly the type of thing you should have mentioned 3 days or so ago when i asked you if you were using any weird display adapters... | 12:16 |
| gnarface | anyway, this also should be fixable in X with an xorg.conf, behavior of which one it picks before X loads however may not be as easy to control; in my experience the video bios basically does whatever it wants, sometimes showing starkly divergent behavior at boot time even between the same series of cards from different vendors | 12:17 |
| gnarface | (some bios settings might be furnished to give you more control, but that's somewhat rare) | 12:18 |
| gnarface | so, now you should probably take an inventory of the hardware supported by all those firmware packages we threw in when we were shooting in the dark and remove the ones you don't need (which might be all of them) | 12:19 |
| gnarface | they probably aren't hurting anything but they're a waste of space | 12:19 |
| rwp | papa, OMG! That detail of having a KVM attached but no monitor attached was an ultimately important detail! | 18:47 |
| jonadab | Now I'm curious why the kvm switch was attached to the VGA port. Don't they usually draw the tiny amount of power they need to operate, from the PS/2 ports? | 18:51 |
| rwp | I suppose that depends upon the KVM. The ones I have dealt with have wall-wart power adaptors. | 18:53 |
| rwp | Also VGA is analog. It's never going to be as clear as a digital interface such as DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, and so on. Even I with my museum of equipment am not using any analog VGA anymore. | 18:55 |
| rwp | I am not saying you can't use it. I am saying that if you are using it and having problems then that's a detail that you should mention. And if you also have an analog KVM in the middle that's an even more important detail! | 18:56 |
| rwp | Also papa said he had the KVM connected to the keyboard and mouse and if it is a VGA KVM then I think it is safe to assume it is a PS/2 keyboard and mouse KVM too. | 18:58 |
| jonadab | Maybe? I don't know, I've seen more systems with VGA ports but no PS/2 ports, than the other way around. | 19:01 |
| jonadab | Not sure about KVMs, though. | 19:01 |
| jonadab | Then again, if I needed to use the same USB keyboard and mouse on two different systems, I'd just plug them into a USB hub, run USB cables from both systems, twist-tie them together and label which is which, and switch which one is plugged into the hub at will. | 19:02 |
| jonadab | Maybe that's just me. | 19:03 |
| rwp | Maybe it is just me but fuzzy displays bug me and adding a KVM VGA switch always makes the already fuzzy VGA more fuzzy. Personally I have never been able to tolerate those old KVMs. | 19:05 |
| rwp | The one exception being when it is a 42U rack of systems with one "laptop" KVM in the middle to crash-cart the rack as needed. It's already so uncomfortable standing there freezing on the cold side of the servers that a little fuzzy display is not significant. | 19:05 |
| rwp | For that environment it is much better to set up iLO, IPMI, iDRAC, for a network console. But this is off topic and work is calling so I am going to stop ranting about missing information when trying to debug problems... | 19:06 |
| jonadab | I used to be a big advocate of CRT displays, but in the last ten years, LCDs have finally started to sort out the worst of their color-reproduction and viewing-angle issues, so I'm way less adamant about that now. | 19:18 |
| freaxeh | yeah CRT is dead now | 19:19 |
| freaxeh | even for input lag reasons | 19:19 |
| gnarface | well it's not dead yet at my house, but it's getting close | 19:20 |
| freaxeh | I have a sony trinitron crt and my lcd tv won out because of resolution reasons, that and I managed to calibrate the lcd panel to something that I can live with | 19:20 |
| gnarface | and it should be made clear for the record that this wasn't a problem with CRTs or VGA connectors in general | 19:20 |
| freaxeh | I've had the luxury of using a vga KVM, the crosstalk and interference problems is mind blowing | 19:21 |
| gnarface | this part belongs in off-topic | 19:21 |
| Guest59 | hello everyone, first time on IRC. I have a question: I need to create a test environment for a Wordpress.org theme I am developing, deadline next Monday. Every option I've tried seems to rely in some way on systemd (either through docker or vagrant). Which would be the fastest way to create a test environment? I just need a local wordpress | 23:30 |
| Guest59 | instance so I can check if everything works properly when put together. Thanks in advance | 23:30 |
| Afdal | Wordpress relies on systemd now? | 23:59 |
| Afdal | wtf? | 23:59 |
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