| rustyaxe | in xfce, i have power management set to off - yet after like 5 minutes my screen goes off -- why? | 01:56 |
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| fsmithred | rustyaxe, check screensaver settings | 02:05 |
| rustyaxe | i dont seem to have a screensaver installed checking dpkg -l|grep screensaver, hmm | 02:10 |
| fsmithred | xfce usually comes with xscreensaver | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | unless you installed pieces of it manually | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | Applications -> Settings -> Screensaver | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | but your search should have shown it | 02:16 |
| rustyaxe | i dont have a screensaver option in settings menu nor the settings application hmm | 02:19 |
| rustyaxe | i generally purge screensaver, disable recommends/suggests, install joe/tmux as soon as install devuan. This ones a bit intriguing i wonder if its a remnant of kde | 02:21 |
| rrq | check "xset q" | 02:30 |
| rustyaxe | rrq: thanks, there it be. Ughh. why cant i just get away from that crap by uninstalling the screensaver stupidity? O_o | 02:43 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: "xset dpms 0 0 0" | 02:50 |
| gnarface | (you're on your own for making it persist through restarts) | 02:50 |
| rustyaxe | already sorted, stuck in xsession along with xmousepasteblock to unsort that stupidity | 02:50 |
| rustyaxe | i forgot how awful X11 used to be (: | 02:50 |
| rustyaxe | There was a reason i used screen / tmux with 3 or 4 vts for much of my life, being reminded that X11 "features" was a big part of it | 02:51 |
| gnarface | i think this is actually the US government's fault | 02:51 |
| gnarface | i think the "EnergyStar" compliance regulations require power management features to default to on | 02:52 |
| rustyaxe | tell that to the 164lb of pit bulls barking their asses off because the Dog TV stream got cut off 10 minutes after the human left :) | 02:52 |
| rustyaxe | but hopefully all sorted. thanks! | 02:54 |
| gnarface | i think more like 5.17 minutes, but yea i feel you | 02:54 |
| gnarface | yw | 02:55 |
| rustyaxe | mine was 600 sec | 02:55 |
| rustyaxe | but either, very mad dogs soon after i left the last few days. :O | 02:56 |
| fsmithred | teach them to bump the mouse | 02:56 |
| rustyaxe | the girls are particularly needy and the tv was soothing for them. Fat boy couldnt care either way, he's just happy to live indoors with a family | 02:56 |
| TorC | Not entirely sure what hook EPA/EnergyStar regulations would have on Debian, and still less on Devuan, though I think for most they'd as soon have unused screens turn off, so it's probably generally a user-friendly feature. | 04:18 |
| TorC | s/they'd/people would/ | 04:19 |
| gnarface | TorC: i don't think it's that the government regulations have directly been enforced by Debian, it's just that the DPMS code in Xorg correctly defaults to presets it inherits from the display hardware itself, manufactured by companies whom it does "have a hook on" | 05:53 |
| gnarface | some display hardware exposes its own settings for this even, where you can disable it instead of having to mess with your X config | 05:54 |
| rustyaxe | i'd expect all that to be handled by the screensaver tho rather than somewhere in bowels of Xorg, but theres a lot of weird shit in there so i guess it makes sense. It's not exactly the most unixy thing in linux these days :P | 05:55 |
| gnarface | luckily for the hardware that doesn't, we can still change the settings in software - the real problem is the GUI interface for this isn't standardized anywhere | 05:55 |
| plasma41 | dosensuppe: It looks like you're trying to install both the 0.10.6-1.3 and 0.10.6-1.3local1 versions of the snapper packages at the same time. Make sure to install only the packages with the 0.10.6-1.3local1 version number and uninstall all of the ones with the 0.10.6-1.3 version number. | 05:57 |
| plasma41 | also you shouldn't need to purge the 0.10.6-1.3 package versions. simply removing them should be sufficient. | 05:59 |
| golinux | TorC: EPA? What EPA! I am expecting it to be canceled in the "great dismantling" that's going on . . . (apologies for the OT) | 06:09 |
| rrq | one might also think about that "xset" has been with X11 even before debian was a thing | 06:58 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | greetings again. | 16:26 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I'm still having a little trouble installing the cursed nvidia drivers. | 16:26 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | I added "non-free" and "contrib" to the lines in the sources lists | 16:27 |
| debdog | have you tried following these instructions yet? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers | 16:32 |
| golinux | [NoClan]GoAway: Isn't the repo "non-free-firmware" these days as per https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 16:41 |
| golinux | "non-free" went away a while ago IIRC | 16:42 |
| golinux | Depends which release you are on. I don't use any "non-free" so no personal experience. | 16:44 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | thanks for getting back. sorry, was away for a little while and re-installed Devuan. | 16:45 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | turns out sonething was messed up. I added "contrib" and "non-free" again to the sources list and tried the install of the drivers again. | 16:45 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | it went through this time. | 16:45 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | not quite sure why it didn't work the first time around. | 16:46 |
| [NoClan]GoAway | again, thank you for trying to help :) | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | golinux, non-free did not go away. Only the firmware packages moved. | 16:51 |
| golinux | Ah . . . thanks . . . | 17:02 |
| TorC | gnarface: Interesting. I can recall back in the days of ratpoison I had set up a command to lock the screen and then, IIRC, "xset dpms force off" or similar a half second later. Never realized any of the timings could come from the hardware side, however. | 20:09 |
| TorC | golinux: I look forward to the same. | 20:09 |
| stribika | hi, i think i found a bug in sddm, but i'm not exactly sure | 23:40 |
| stribika | the problem is that with DisplayServer=wayland the sddm-helper process tries to take control of tty1 instead of tty7 which fails | 23:42 |
| stribika | i traced it to isTtyInUse in src/daemon/Display.cpp which must have returned false for tty1, even though i'm logged in there as root | 23:44 |
| gnarface | you're using wayland? | 23:45 |
| gnarface | which video driver, and is your user in the "video" group? | 23:45 |
| stribika | mostly yes. except for sddm | 23:45 |
| gnarface | wait, so you have sddm using Xorg and it's supposed to hand off to a desktop that's using wayland? i've never heard of anyone doing that, not sure it's actually possible... | 23:45 |
| stribika | yeah. i don't really want to do that, but because of the above problem, that's all i can do | 23:46 |
| gnarface | hmm | 23:46 |
| gnarface | which video driver? | 23:46 |
| stribika | amdgpu | 23:47 |
| gnarface | and you do have firmware-amd-graphics installed from the non-free-firmware section? | 23:48 |
| stribika | yes | 23:48 |
| gnarface | and your regular user is in the "video" group? | 23:48 |
| stribika | it's not | 23:49 |
| stribika | could that be the issue? it never even gets to running anything as my user | 23:49 |
| gnarface | can't be sure it's this issue, but it's definitely an issue | 23:49 |
| gnarface | try adding your user to the video group then rebooting and see if anything is different | 23:49 |
| stribika | i'll add myself then. thank you | 23:49 |
| gnarface | no problem; while you're at it, you probably want to be in the "audio" group too | 23:50 |
| gnarface | (it might be confusing that this isn't required for NVidia driver users, but that's because the official NVidia drivers still require Xorg to use the legacy suid-root wrapper) | 23:51 |
| stribika | brb | 23:52 |
| stribika | joining audio and video didn't fix it | 23:57 |
| stribika | i suspect the problem is here: https://github.com/sddm/sddm/blob/c2b97dd63f726fa3db7f699bb40b2be3e62b8df5/src/daemon/Display.cpp#L60-L77 | 23:58 |
| gnarface | ok, just out of curiosity did you try lightdm instead of sddm? | 23:59 |
| stribika | no. i will do that just let me share what i got so far before that. | 23:59 |
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