| Nuc1eoN | greetings, I am instlaling Devuan on my server for the first time :) | 02:01 |
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| Nuc1eoN | While instlalling I can chooose what to install additionally | 02:02 |
| Nuc1eoN | there is "web server" and "Console Productivity" | 02:02 |
| Nuc1eoN | what exactly does this mean? | 02:02 |
| Nuc1eoN | Which packages would be installed? Is web server meant in general for servers or only if I want to use apache etc? | 02:03 |
| djph | webserver would be... well, 'web server' applications | 02:03 |
| Nuc1eoN | Is this documented somehwere? I cannot find it. | 02:03 |
| djph | I wanna say it's documented *somewhere* in the morass that is "Installing Debian" (since devuan basically follows that with zero changes) | 02:04 |
| djph | I would imagine "console productivity" is a full install of vim and other tools that aren't necessarily part of debian base | 02:05 |
| djph | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2271 <-oh neat :) | 02:06 |
| djph | well, probably a bit outdated now, but | 02:06 |
| Nuc1eoN | djph o I see the 'web server' entry is indeed part of the standard debian install | 02:07 |
| Nuc1eoN | however "console productivity" is devuan specific :) | 02:07 |
| gnarface | Nuc1eoN: they correspond to the meta-packages with "task-" as the starting name prefix | 02:07 |
| Nuc1eoN | I am hesitant to install it because it install games as well?? | 02:07 |
| gnarface | you don't have to pick any of them, there's nothing they do that can't be installed afterwards | 02:07 |
| gnarface | it is not required to check any boxes on that page | 02:08 |
| djph | ^ | 02:08 |
| Nuc1eoN | got it :D | 02:08 |
| gnarface | though personally i'd recommend you keep "standard system utilities" because you'd almost certainly install them all over time anyway | 02:08 |
| Nuc1eoN | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/package-query.html?c=package&q=task-console-productivity=3.77devuan1 | 02:10 |
| Nuc1eoN | looks like a cool package | 02:10 |
| Nuc1eoN | I just dont get why it installs games lol | 02:10 |
| Nuc1eoN | that's a bit much :3 | 02:11 |
| Nuc1eoN | I installed devua with openrc, but the only rc-* command available is rc-status?? rc-update or rc-service is not available | 02:28 |
| Nuc1eoN | hmm am I missing somehing? | 02:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah, probably missing a minus sign | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | su - | 02:33 |
| fsmithred | not su | 02:33 |
| Nuc1eoN | fsmithred, indeed! ty | 02:34 |
| Nuc1eoN | on gentoo rc-update is available for non-root users as well | 02:35 |
| fsmithred | in debian/devuan openrc just uses sysvinit scripts unless you do something to change that | 02:36 |
| fsmithred | I'll be in the kitchen. | 02:37 |
| rrq | debian defaults to non-root PATH different from root PATH | 02:37 |
| rrq | (that's not me saying it's a good thing) | 02:37 |
| Nuc1eoN | fsmithred wait really? I selected openrc in the install section. So openrc is just used to manage the services? | 02:39 |
| Nuc1eoN | rrq, ok got it. I am actually an arch user and have been using funtoo for a few years. Thats all I know | 02:40 |
| Nuc1eoN | non-root PATH different from root PATH is new to me in this fasion | 02:40 |
| Nuc1eoN | *fashion | 02:40 |
| Nuc1eoN | Just that I needed smth for my server. But did not want the systemd. | 02:41 |
| Nuc1eoN | I hope devuan will turn out to be a good choice. (I hated CentOS) | 02:42 |
| rrq | you may edit /etc/profile for PATH fixing | 02:46 |
| rrq | and also /etc/login.defs for "su" | 02:46 |
| fsmithred | or /etc/default/su | 02:50 |
| fsmithred | see man su | 02:50 |
| n4dir | /etc/default/su:ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes | 02:51 |
| n4dir | i use that | 02:51 |
| fsmithred | Nuc1eoN, there are some openrc users on the forum. You might check some discussions there. dev1galaxy.org | 02:55 |
| Nuc1eoN | fsmithred, looking at the boot log it seems I am using openrc | 03:24 |
| Nuc1eoN | or do you mean that openrc still uses sysvinit internally on devuan (however that would work) | 03:24 |
| rrq | openrc is the service manager process; it's invoked by sysvinit's init process | 03:25 |
| rrq | see the "si" line in /etc/inittab | 03:26 |
| rrq | or hmm is it the l* lines (?) | 03:29 |
| Nuc1eoN | I think using sysvinit as init is fine | 03:53 |
| Nuc1eoN | Im just surpruised about it | 03:53 |
| Nuc1eoN | but according to https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/472706/is-it-possible-to-run-devuan-ascii-with-openrc-init sysvinit is faster | 03:53 |
| djph | bearing in mind that's talking about Ascii from, uh ... a while back | 03:54 |
| gnarface | does openrc support parallel booting? i would guess it depends a lot on how many things you've got set to start on boot, and how many CPU cores you have... | 04:08 |
| gnarface | openrc could conceivably be faster in some configurations but not others | 04:09 |
| gnarface | though i'm just guessing | 04:09 |
| n4dir | fast as in fast boot? | 04:10 |
| gnarface | oh, that's what i assumed we were talking about here | 04:11 |
| n4dir | well, i don't think a lot about the init system, so i assumed it is about boot time. I can't say that ever was a problem for me | 04:12 |
| gnarface | yea it's never been the part of the system i needed to get more performance out of either | 04:12 |
| n4dir | always like 20 seconds, or less. I tried openrc (or perhaps even still have it installed). | 04:12 |
| n4dir | with a heck lot of fiddling i got down to like 12 seconds, but both is too fast for me to roll a cigarette. So no difference | 04:13 |
| n4dir | systemd really was very slow in the beginning. iirc: "system waiting for job" or such. Both, boot and shutdown | 04:14 |
| n4dir | all that was only chat, a side note. | 04:14 |
| edsonwolf | Good afternoon. I was using i386 architecture, with wine, but I don't need it anymore. But I can not remove. Is there any way? | 17:55 |
| edsonwolf | https://pastebin.com/xz0sEjGz | 17:55 |
| djph | use dpkg to remove the architecture | 17:56 |
| djph | edsonwolf: ^ | 17:56 |
| djph | or well, remove all the stuff depending on it, then remove it | 17:56 |
| djph | the spaces in your dpkg output are weird, is that just an artifact of pastebin? | 17:57 |
| edsonwolf | https://pastebin.com/FJ6u3KFH | 18:00 |
| edsonwolf | ~ | 18:01 |
| edsonwolf | I think this better | 18:01 |
| joerg | merry Christmas! | 21:40 |
| golinux | joerg . . . try solstice which was a few days ago. That is a more universal event touching everyone and everything . . .. . . | 21:44 |
| debdog | best wishes to you too, joerg! | 21:47 |
| joerg | golinux: right, I actually forgot. Thanks, debdog ! | 21:49 |
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