| rrq | Xenguy: that "eval" you where looking at makes the running shell digest and use the environment variable settings that ssh-agent prints out | 00:30 |
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| rrq | those setting are then used by "ssh" for connecting to the ssh-agent process | 00:31 |
| rrq | try "env|grep SSH" to look at them | 00:32 |
| cousin_luigi | I just read something about disabling apt pager, with no context. Possibly an unpublished exploit? | 09:27 |
| Guest31 | Hi, I am curious if all .deb packages can be installed without issue on devuan? I have been on gentoo, void and other linux systems. And I am planign to move to a non-systemd binary distroo that has support for a lot of packages, I am looking into options, and devuan is one of them. A lot of the packages i need come as .deb and is not available on | 10:43 |
| Guest31 | repositories like gentoo, void, etc. | 10:43 |
| debdog | Guest31: devuan provides almost all packages that debian does | 10:44 |
| debdog | packages that or not provided are on this list: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 10:45 |
| Guest31 | thank you debdog :) | 10:45 |
| debdog | these are all somehow dependent on systemd somehow | 10:46 |
| debdog | or, to be more precise: devuan only provides a few packages, required for non-systemd operation. all the other packages it fetches from debian | 10:48 |
| Guest31 | ah okay, understood. thank you | 10:56 |
| Xenguy | rrq, re: eval: | 16:04 |
| Xenguy | $ env|grep SSH | 16:04 |
| Xenguy | SSH_AUTH_SOCK=/run/user/1000/keyring/ssh | 16:04 |
| oemb1905 | forgive me, does devuan use iproute2 or net-tools? | 16:12 |
| gnarface | i think we have both but the old one is still the default | 16:14 |
| gnarface | yea, we have both | 16:16 |
| JTechno | Hello folks, I'm trying to install excalibur but boot fails with "LABEL=Ventoy: Can't lookup blockdev", any suggestions? | 16:38 |
| thecdnhermit | i had trouble using ventoy for devuan 5, ended up just using a "dedicated" usb. there may be a workaround though | 16:39 |
| gnarface | yea there's an issue with ventoy | 16:41 |
| gnarface | some way around it but i don't remember specifics | 16:41 |
| fluffywolf | my first thought would be "don't use ventoy" | 16:41 |
| gnarface | i think you have to strip out the core of the installer or something weird? | 16:41 |
| thecdnhermit | i had actually only recently gotten ventoy to work, until devuan. so it wasn't too upsetting when it didn't work yet again lol | 16:43 |
| JTechno | I've just downloaded devuan_excalibur_6.0-20241017_amd64_netinstall.iso and used dd to write it to a flash drive. Is there another way I can try to use it? | 16:44 |
| gnarface | it has come up before, and if you check the channel logs you might be able to find the discussion about it | 16:44 |
| thecdnhermit | JTechno: that's what i did with daedalus | 16:44 |
| gnarface | JTechno: uh... if you're not using Ventoy i don't understand how you could have seen that error, but since it's a daily build of the testing release it's not guaranteed to work. you'd be better of installing daedalus and then upgrading it to excalibur afterwards | 16:45 |
| gnarface | dd should be fine | 16:46 |
| gnarface | make sure to add conv=fsync | 16:46 |
| thecdnhermit | gnarface: i don't recall ever using that option...what's that for? | 16:48 |
| gnarface | it just persistently flushes the write cache | 16:49 |
| gnarface | to make sure that you don't hit that issue where dd thinks it finished but most the image is still waiting in ram | 16:49 |
| gnarface | (a particular problem with large images and slow USB drives0 | 16:49 |
| gnarface | ) | 16:49 |
| gnarface | it's effectively the same thing as running "sync" afterwards, except that it does it incrementally throughout the write | 16:50 |
| gnarface | ... not to be confused with the similar option conv=sync which only syncs file metadata | 16:51 |
| thecdnhermit | ah ok...is that why often with larger images, dd seems to stall/freeze at the end? | 16:52 |
| gnarface | er, maybe i'm confusing conv=sync with another one, but the point is make sure to use conv=sync or run "sync" once afterwards before you unplug the USB key | 16:52 |
| gnarface | yea, that's probably what you're seeing | 16:52 |
| gnarface | i've seen some other popular way to do it, "oflag=direct" or something which i think just disables DMA but i think conv=fsync is the way to go | 16:53 |
| thecdnhermit | ok i've just gotten used to waiting for it to finish lol | 16:53 |
| gnarface | if what you're writing to is faster than what you're reading from you also typically won't see this issue | 16:53 |
| gnarface | and this only started happening like 12 years or so back when they enabled write back caching for removable media | 16:55 |
| gnarface | i think if you call eject once before unplugging the drive it should also implicitly sync | 16:55 |
| gnarface | but almost nobody thinks to do that for USB keys | 16:55 |
| thecdnhermit | ah. i've only been dealing with linux for about five years now | 16:56 |
| gnarface | if you unmount a filesystem mounted on the image, i believe that also implicitly syncs (at least with all the ones i've dealt with) but when writing an image raw, mount isn't involved so it can't protect you | 16:56 |
| thecdnhermit | i haven't had an issue with removing a usb drive after writing with dd | 17:01 |
| thecdnhermit | as long as i let it finish | 17:01 |
| thecdnhermit | even most of the time with ext4 formatted usb drives, i've removed them without unmounting (after a while of no transfer requests) and had no issues. anything fat, though, is another story. | 17:02 |
| oemb1905 | thank you | 17:34 |
| oemb1905 | gnarface: | 17:34 |
| gnarface | no problem | 17:35 |
| oemb1905 | so actually, just installed daedlus and it appears devuan has followed suit with debian and uses iproute2 by default | 22:31 |
| oemb1905 | net-tools has to be installed after | 22:31 |
| oemb1905 | no worries, was hopeful they would perhaps retain net-tools and port from bsd | 22:31 |
| oemb1905 | instead of using iproute2 | 22:31 |
| gnarface | ah, my bad | 22:32 |
| rustyaxe | its 2024, everywhere using iproute2 by default for a long time | 22:32 |
| gnarface | at least you can still use either | 22:32 |
| oemb1905 | iproute2 is a pointless and not needed linux'ism, not unlike systemd | 22:34 |
| oemb1905 | so it was the hope that it would not be used here | 22:34 |
| oemb1905 | all good, plenty aware of the spin and mind games on it | 22:34 |
| oemb1905 | rustyaxe: and entirely irrelevant to the inquiry | 22:34 |
| oemb1905 | ofc, net-tools remains fully active and supported on bsd-family, and is not actually deprecated | 22:34 |
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