| paculino | Thank you, I will try that repo later (pinned for just deadbeef). I found a universal deb for it on their website, but like having the ability to update it in terminal easily. | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| plasma41 | paculino: Or try compiling the deadbeef deb-src package from deb-multimedia directly. http://www.deb-multimedia.org/pool/main/d/deadbeef-dmo/ I'd just strongly advice against mixing pre-built packages from multiple repositories. Locally building the deb-src packages is much less error prone, but is still not officially supported. | 00:03 |
| plasma41 | s/advice/advise/ | 00:04 |
| plasma41 | paculino: See also bugs.debian.org/576975 "RFP: deadbeef -- Ultimate Music Player" | 00:06 |
| djph | Hurgotron: ah, found the debian changelog reference from 2023 -> "this should be deprecated and removed, and users should use tomcat10 instead" ... so... | 00:20 |
| edsonwolf | Good night. I'm using the libre kernel on a station with devuan excalibur, and I need wireguard, but when I go to install wireguard it says it has to install the 6.11 kernel. Is there a way to solve it? | 01:40 |
| djph | what's "the libre kernel" ? | 02:02 |
| edsonwolf | The Linux-libre kernel is a modified version of the Linux kernel that removes non-free components and is considered to be 100% free | 02:21 |
| edsonwolf | https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/ | 02:21 |
| ted-ious | Can't you install both kernels and choose to boot the libre one? | 02:24 |
| rustyaxe | wireguard: Depends: wireguard-modules (>= 0.0.20191219) | wireguard-dkms (>= 0.0.20200121-2), wireguard-tools (>= 1.0.20210914-1) | 02:57 |
| rustyaxe | Look at wireguard-dkms, in theory that should be the way, yea/ | 02:57 |
| JackFrost | wireguard-dkms is gone, if you want it you're supposed to configure the kernel with it. The kernel mainline has had the series for a while now. | 03:02 |
| JackFrost | (And not just 6.11, that's new. Stable has the needed kernel.) | 03:02 |
| darwin | i did 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' as root but it's set my family PC at incorrect time for our zone. The menu was very odd in comparison/contrast to others, but I triple-checked the zone is correct, which isn't on daylight saving time (DST) since last month but set as if it is or one zone East | 06:15 |
| darwin | i also restarted openntpd which then stated the incorrect time | 06:15 |
| plasma41 | darwin: What's the value of your TZ environment variable? | 06:25 |
| darwin | doesn't exist | 06:25 |
| plasma41 | darwin: What timezone are you in and what time does the 'date' command report? | 06:28 |
| darwin | UTC-8 | 06:29 |
| darwin | Mon Dec 16 10:25:43 PM PST 2024. It's now 9:25 in PST | 06:30 |
| onefang | 9:30 when you posted that. | 06:30 |
| darwin | it's 10:25 in PDT (DST, not on since last month, but didn't change on that PC) | 06:30 |
| darwin | i see, so it's five minutes off also | 06:31 |
| plasma41 | darwin: Hmm, what version of the tzdata package is installed? | 06:33 |
| darwin | 2024b-0+deb12u1 | 06:33 |
| darwin | but said 'N: There is 1 additional record. Please use the '-a' switch to see it' | 06:33 |
| darwin | which instead showed fewer records than originally | 06:35 |
| darwin | same entry with fewer lines | 06:35 |
| plasma41 | darwin: What is the contents of your /etc/timezone file? | 06:37 |
| darwin | America/Los_Angeles | 06:38 |
| darwin | also, the US time zone list is broken/incomplete | 06:38 |
| plasma41 | darwin: What does 'date --utc' report? | 06:39 |
| darwin | if you 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata' and go to US, it has Eastern, Central, Mountain, but maybe not Pacific. It has Pacific Ocean, which I think is something else | 06:39 |
| darwin | Tue Dec 17 06:35:41 AM UTC 2024 | 06:39 |
| onefang | Pacific Ocean sounds like where Hawaii is. | 06:40 |
| plasma41 | darwin: Ok, looks like you have the correct timezone but your system is about an hour out from what it thinks the time is in UTC versus what it actually is. It's 05:42 UTC right now. | 06:42 |
| darwin | but openntpd should've updated that? We don't use UTC anyway | 06:43 |
| plasma41 | darwin: Sorry, my IRC client crashed. :-/ | 06:45 |
| onefang | Nothing was said while you where gone. | 06:46 |
| plasma41 | darwin: The issue is with your NTP daemon. Your timezone is correct. | 06:46 |
| darwin | that's odd because an NTPD works fine on all our other PCs/servers... of course, they're running BSD or Slackware (I only use Debian-based for family stuff) | 06:47 |
| onefang | Though it's possible you didn't get a chance to read the last thing darwin said while your client crashed. | 06:47 |
| darwin | ntpd is running on that one and I restarted it | 06:48 |
| plasma41 | darwin: I'm not familiar with openntpd. I use ntpsec as my NTP daemon. | 06:48 |
| darwin | ok | 06:48 |
| onefang | The NTP daemon might be slowly drifting your clock to the correct time. Some of them do that to avoid sudden time jumps I think. Or not. | 06:49 |
| darwin | weird | 06:49 |
| darwin | i have OpenNTPD on a Slackware server, which has the correct time | 06:51 |
| plasma41 | darwin: FWIW, a couple weeks ago I notice that my clock was several hours out. The NTP daemon I had installed at the time was chrony which I had installed to verify another program's testsuite. I switched back to ntpsec and my clock was immediately set back to the right time. | 06:51 |
| darwin | that's a newer version though | 06:51 |
| darwin | i'll look into ntpsec | 06:51 |
| gnarface | i use ntpsec too, and the only caveat i would add is, if you are pointing ntpsec clients at your own (single) private ntp server, make sure you also change this line to allow less than 3 minimum servers before it starts working: #tos minclock 4 minsane 3 | 07:09 |
| gnarface | (or just comment it out) | 07:09 |
| plasma41 | gnarface: In which config file? | 07:10 |
| gnarface | the comment on the previous entry also suggests you should change the default of "tos maxclock 11" to "tos maxclock 7" | 07:10 |
| gnarface | plasma41: /etc/ntpsec/ntp.conf | 07:10 |
| plasma41 | thanks | 07:10 |
| gnarface | you might have the old config too still if you were using ntpd on a previous release you upgraded from | 07:10 |
| darwin | i don't have my own NTPD server | 07:10 |
| darwin | i just use defaults | 07:11 |
| gnarface | should be fine then | 07:11 |
| darwin | it uses 0 to 3.debian.pool.ntp.org | 07:11 |
| gnarface | yes, there's a public ntp.org pool you can use too, if you're paranoid | 07:12 |
| darwin | don't know why it's not using the standard 0 to 3.pool.ntp.org iburst | 07:12 |
| gnarface | i think just so debian can have bragging rights | 07:12 |
| gnarface | there's like a leaderboard somewhere, lol | 07:13 |
| gnarface | like i said, you can change it | 07:13 |
| darwin | thanks; TTYL | 07:20 |
| onefang | Ah darwin left before I could chip in on that last bit. I have run an NTP server network last century. One reason for doing so is to lessen the load on upstream time servers, which is something the protocol is designed to do. Another is to keep infrastructure more local. | 07:44 |
| cousin_luigi | So, what do you all think of GNU Shepherd? | 10:07 |
| gnarface | never heard of it | 10:09 |
| freem | is not Shepherd that gnu distro which attempts to make actual use of the gnu kernel? | 10:24 |
| * freem checks | 10:25 | |
| freem | ah, nope. It's service manager written in "Guile scheme" which can also be used as an init. An "interesting" point is (like for emacs, but with a different criticity role...) that services are written with the same idiom. I'd be ultra wary of this. | 10:27 |
| freem | "The Shepherd is configured in Guile Scheme and can be extended in the same language. It builds on a simple memory-safe and callback-free programming model" | 10:27 |
| freem | "memory-safe" smells like a new buzzword to me | 10:28 |
| freem | does that potentially PID1 program consider it being memory safe, to rely on dynamic allocations, considering the fact the most used linux builds includes overcommit by default? | 10:29 |
| freem | "he Shepherd is developed jointly with Guix. It runs as PID 1 on Guix System and manages user services for Guix Home." | 10:29 |
| freem | https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ | 10:30 |
| freem | running on an OS with overcommit enabled basically breaks a lot of what I would consider required to call a program "memory safe", as to me, this includes the property of recovering from any memory error after the program's start phase. | 10:31 |
| freem | one can see when reading runit's code or other init's documentation that care is taken to avoid dynamic allocations when possible, and to recover from failure to alloc. Those are usually written in C or (more rarely) C++ though, I honestly wonder if many "memory safe" langs such as java (I have seen eclipse segfault so often this "memory safe" attribute makes me laugh) or better allow to handle this kind of problematic, which is relatively close to | 10:35 |
| freem | baremetal I think? | 10:35 |
| rrq | pls use devuan-offtopic instead | 10:37 |
| freem | sorry, rrq. I try, but sometimes I slip. | 12:04 |
| freem | rrq: just one question though. Was the cousin_luigi's question off-topic or not? It's not to blame, but to more understand when and what went off-topic? | 12:05 |
| freem | better understanding means hopefully less slips? | 12:05 |
| freem | slipping* (I guess?) | 12:06 |
| gnarface | yes, he should have asked that in #devuan-offtopic | 12:10 |
| gnarface | sometimes one or two lines of offtopic when it's quiet go uncontested | 12:11 |
| gnarface | it's when you start putting in 10+ line replies that you get on the radar | 12:11 |
| gnarface | (not you specifically, anyone, and in the past usually me) | 12:11 |
| freem | I understand | 12:12 |
| freem | it is why I am asking for more details about when things went off | 12:12 |
| freem | I am trying to follow the rules, but the notions are blurry to me, still. Sorry for that. | 12:12 |
| gnarface | the general rule of thumb is that if it's not about devuan support, it belongs in offtopic | 12:13 |
| onefang | Basically, this is a support channel for Devuan. SNAP! | 12:13 |
| freem | do you have a definition for support? | 12:13 |
| freem | I mean, a formal one | 12:14 |
| freem | that is easy to understand for a non-native english user | 12:14 |
| gnarface | i don't think i have the authority to dictate what the formal one is, but i think it would be something close to "answering questions people have about getting stuff to work on their devuan install" | 12:14 |
| freem | huh... I think I'm failing to ask properly here | 12:14 |
| freem | when I said "you" I didn't meant "you" as gnarface, but "you" as the community | 12:15 |
| freem | this lack of subtlelty is really a problem in english | 12:15 |
| freem | can't distinguish the target from a group | 12:15 |
| freem | as in, single to plural | 12:16 |
| freem | off-topic! | 12:16 |
| freem | sorry. | 12:16 |
| fatal | your insight about shepherd was gnu related so not really off topic and no support related topic was interrupted anyway | 12:17 |
| freem | I would not have dared to interrupt a real support phase | 12:17 |
| freem | for that, that is | 12:17 |
| freem | I try to respect the semantics, but without clear definition it's hard | 12:18 |
| freem | open to interpretations, rather | 12:19 |
| fatal | it's ok don't worry about it you'll get it | 12:19 |
| freem | I don't worry too much | 12:28 |
| freem | I just try to cope with places I'm in | 12:28 |
| freem | they usually have their own culture, more or less USA-independent | 12:28 |
| freem | USA/buzz/whatever | 12:29 |
| buZz | i'm not from US in A | 12:37 |
| gnarface | i think this all belongs in #devuan-offtopic | 12:39 |
| freem | rofl that is off-topic buZz! | 12:39 |
| buZz | ;) | 12:39 |
| gnarface | heh | 12:39 |
| freem | and a nice diversion | 12:39 |
| cousin_luigi | rrq: freem: I wondered if it might be part of devuan's future. | 12:58 |
| rrq | yes such a discussion fits perfectly on #devuan-offtopic | 13:00 |
| freem | cousin_luigi: this is probably more suited to #devuan-offtopic or a dev chan, this one is about helping current users of current distro to face their problems | 13:00 |
| freem | I tried to write it in the most neutral tone I could | 13:01 |
| freem | I am *not* allowed to say what is or not good for a particular room, though | 13:01 |
| freem | all I say is only my guessing | 13:02 |
| fatal | rrq: just ignore it | 13:09 |
| Guest87 | is the a good sysvinit guide for devuan | 16:59 |
| Guest87 | hi | 16:59 |
| gnarface | Guest87: stand by, lemme find it | 17:04 |
| Guest87 | ty | 17:04 |
| * golinux has never had to touch anything with sysvinit | 17:04 | |
| gnarface | Guest87: yea, probably i should ask what you're trying to do, because users don't typically need a guide for it, it's so simple, but if there's a part you didn't find obvious enough that i can't just tell you in one line, it's probably this part: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts (just a guess) | 17:05 |
| Guest87 | ty again im trying to disable netwrok manager to use iwd | 17:07 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure that installing iwd wouldn't just remove network-manager for you anyway, and personally i would remove it either way, but you can control what starts and stops automatically by using sysv-rc-conf (from package of same name), update-rc.d (from the init-system-helpers package) or just edit the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ by hand, the rules aren't complex | 17:09 |
| gnarface | stuff with a symlink in one of those directories starting with "S" will start and starting with "K" will not | 17:10 |
| Guest87 | also i have other problem i cant connect to deb.devuan.org but firefox works | 17:10 |
| gnarface | hmm, might be an ipv6 thing | 17:11 |
| gnarface | it has come up before | 17:11 |
| gnarface | you using ipv6? | 17:11 |
| Guest87 | 4 | 17:12 |
| gnarface | hmm | 17:12 |
| gnarface | what happens if you nslookup deb.devaun.org? | 17:13 |
| gnarface | don't paste the output here, just tell me how many entries you see | 17:13 |
| Guest87 | well when i moved to iwd | 17:13 |
| Guest87 | 1 sec | 17:13 |
| Guest87 | it worked | 17:13 |
| Guest87 | iwd hleped | 17:13 |
| gnarface | you installed iwd and it uninstalled network-manager automatically by default? | 17:14 |
| gnarface | or you had to edit symlinks? | 17:14 |
| gnarface | or you just removed network-manager manually? | 17:15 |
| Guest87 | well | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | i failed i think | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:1 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:2 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:3 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:1 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:2 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:3 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:1 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:2 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Ign:3 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Err:1 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Err:2 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates InRelease | 17:16 |
| gnarface | no no | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Err:3 https://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security InRelease | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Temporary failure resolving 'deb.devuan.org' | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Reading package lists... Done | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Building dependency tree... Done | 17:16 |
| Guest87 | Reading state information... Done | 17:16 |
| gnarface | don't paste long pastes in here | 17:16 |
| gnarface | use paste.debian.net | 17:16 |
| gnarface | there's anti-flooding bots | 17:16 |
| gnarface | you might get a timeout | 17:17 |
| Guest87 | i didnt know | 17:17 |
| gnarface | alright, some quick sanity checks | 17:17 |
| gnarface | make sure network-manager isn't running | 17:18 |
| gnarface | do you know how to do that? | 17:19 |
| Guest87 | doas /update-rc.d network-manager disable ? | 17:19 |
| gnarface | uh, that might work | 17:19 |
| gnarface | that might work to disable it, but you'll also still have to stop it | 17:20 |
| Guest87 | how to stop | 17:20 |
| gnarface | i guess try: doas /etc/init.d/network-manager stop | 17:20 |
| gnarface | assuming you have doas installed... | 17:21 |
| gnarface | if you have avahi-daemon installed, stop that too | 17:21 |
| gnarface | (unless you know what it does0 | 17:21 |
| gnarface | ) | 17:21 |
| Guest87 | Stopping network connection manager: NetworkManager already stopped. | 17:22 |
| gnarface | ok good | 17:22 |
| Guest87 | whats next? | 17:22 |
| gnarface | doas /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon stop | 17:23 |
| Guest87 | Stopping Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Daemon: avahi-daemon | 17:23 |
| gnarface | doas /etc/init.d/iwd stop && doas /etc/init.d/iwd start | 17:23 |
| gnarface | is it wifi? you might have to do this for wpasupplicant too | 17:24 |
| Guest87 | done | 17:24 |
| gnarface | is it wifi? you might have to do this for wpasupplicant too | 17:24 |
| gnarface | not sure if you got that message | 17:25 |
| Guest87 | ty | 17:25 |
| gnarface | seems like it worked though, try "apt-get update" now? | 17:25 |
| Guest87 | Failed to fetch | 17:26 |
| gnarface | hmm | 17:26 |
| gnarface | is this daedalus? | 17:26 |
| Guest87 | yes | 17:27 |
| gnarface | what does "nslookup deb.devuan.org" say? | 17:27 |
| gnarface | don't paste here | 17:27 |
| Guest87 | deb.rr... | 17:28 |
| gnarface | just compare it to this https://paste.debian.net/1340280/ | 17:28 |
| gnarface | if yours is wildly different, try a different DNS server | 17:28 |
| Guest87 | how to | 17:29 |
| gnarface | can't you set it in iwd? | 17:29 |
| gnarface | how are you getting your DNS server currently? | 17:29 |
| gnarface | defaults in the wifi router? | 17:29 |
| Guest87 | i dont have router i think | 17:30 |
| Guest87 | modem connected with directly cable | 17:30 |
| Guest87 | to port(not computer) | 17:31 |
| gnarface | same thing, modems have built in routers these days | 17:31 |
| gnarface | you're connected to a DSL or cable router? | 17:31 |
| gnarface | by wifi, right? | 17:31 |
| Guest87 | wi-fi | 17:31 |
| gnarface | and you're using DHCP? | 17:31 |
| Guest87 | yes | 17:31 |
| Guest87 | probably | 17:31 |
| gnarface | so first check to see if you can change it in the modem, otherwise you'll have to figure out if iwd can do it | 17:32 |
| gnarface | you can also just change /etc/resolv.conf directly with a text editor, but network-manager and i presume also iwd would overwrite any changes you made | 17:33 |
| gnarface | (or maybe just error and crash) | 17:33 |
| Guest87 | also this are working #deb http://devuan.sedf.de/merged daedalus-security main | 17:33 |
| Guest87 | #deb http://devuan.sedf.de/merged daedalus-updates main | 17:33 |
| Guest87 | #deb http://devuan.sedf.de/merged daedalus main | 17:33 |
| gnarface | you sure they're working? they're just commented out, so if they're not showing errors that's because they're not running | 17:34 |
| gnarface | the # at the beginning of the line makes the parser skip those lines | 17:35 |
| Guest87 | when there is no #devuan they are working | 17:35 |
| gnarface | interesting | 17:35 |
| gnarface | yea, my current guess is that it's still the DNS server | 17:35 |
| Guest87 | how to fix it | 17:37 |
| Guest87 | are there mirror trustable mirrors | 17:37 |
| Guest87 | other? | 17:37 |
| gnarface | http://deb.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 17:38 |
| gnarface | here's the mirror list | 17:38 |
| gnarface | you can use any of them directly and skip deb.devuan.org | 17:38 |
| Guest87 | i cant see list :( | 17:38 |
| Guest87 | how to fix via dns | 17:39 |
| gnarface | let's try changing /etc/resolv.conf temporarily as a test | 17:39 |
| Guest87 | k | 17:39 |
| gnarface | can you see what's in there? | 17:40 |
| Guest87 | yes | 17:40 |
| gnarface | do you trust google? | 17:40 |
| Guest87 | somewhat | 17:40 |
| gnarface | as a temporary fix, you could in theory, just change that file to have only this line: nameserver 8.8.8.8 | 17:41 |
| gnarface | that's google's public DNS | 17:41 |
| gnarface | if that works, then we know for sure your ISP's DNS servers are bunk | 17:41 |
| gnarface | (alternately you could install your own DNS server, but that's a bit more complicated) | 17:42 |
| Guest87 | Certificate verification failed: The certificate is NOT trusted. The name in the certificate does not match the expected. | 17:42 |
| gnarface | ??? | 17:42 |
| gnarface | oh, your system clock might be way off | 17:43 |
| Guest87 | nope :( | 17:43 |
| gnarface | you sure? | 17:43 |
| gnarface | timezone right too? | 17:43 |
| Guest87 | i checked | 17:43 |
| gnarface | hmm, weird... | 17:44 |
| gnarface | you're getting that error from apt-get, right? | 17:44 |
| Guest87 | both apt and apt-get | 17:45 |
| gnarface | maybe your devuan keyring packages are out of date or missing? | 17:45 |
| Guest87 | i will come with name as dengesizkokarca need to reboot | 17:45 |
| dengesizkokarca | i got back | 17:47 |
| gnarface | dengesizkokarca: check "dpkg -l |grep keyring" | 17:52 |
| gnarface | dengesizkokarca: oh! i just noticed, you used "https" ... that doesn't work with deb.devuan.org | 17:52 |
| gnarface | that might have been the problem the whole time, just change https to http in your sources.list and it should work | 17:53 |
| dengesizkokarca | solved | 17:54 |
| dengesizkokarca | but there were two problems | 17:54 |
| gnarface | well, i guess not the only problem, if you changed to 8.8.8.8 first then your ISP's DNS servers are also bunk | 17:54 |
| dengesizkokarca | dnf and https | 17:54 |
| dengesizkokarca | dns | 17:54 |
| dengesizkokarca | i will use chattr +i for resolv | 17:55 |
| gnarface | now you can get the mirror list and pick one directly if you want, some of them do support https if you connect by their normal domain | 17:55 |
| gnarface | the dns round-robin breaks ssl | 17:55 |
| dengesizkokarca | ty again and again | 17:56 |
| gnarface | no problem | 17:56 |
| dengesizkokarca | have a good day night | 17:57 |
| debman | hello devuan | 18:13 |
| debman | can any1 help me? | 18:13 |
| gnarface | debman: state your problem, maybe someone can help | 18:15 |
| gnarface | in general on IRC it's a good idea to just ask the question rather than asking for permission | 18:16 |
| debman | im trying to build a system, that doesnt use control groups... | 18:17 |
| gnarface | hmm, is devuan using control groups by default? i'm not so clear on that... | 18:22 |
| debman | yes | 18:23 |
| debman | it's standard | 18:23 |
| debman | but, I think that one way to circumvent it, is to build the system for root only, which I have done before with devuan in the past | 18:23 |
| debman | that's a cheap hack though.. | 18:23 |
| debman | a more sophisticated approach, would require an understanding of how it is integrated into the OS | 18:23 |
| * golinux has never heard "control groups" mentioned either . . . | 18:25 | |
| debman | dont worry guys, I am going to learn how to do it, then I can teach you | 18:26 |
| gnarface | i was under the impression that it was in the kernel but it's not being used unless you tell it to | 18:27 |
| debman | yes it's in the kernel, but it is considered a standard in OS internals | 18:27 |
| debman | so for systemd systems, for example, it is a standard part of the underlying system | 18:28 |
| debman | it's not merely in the kernel in other words | 18:28 |
| gnarface | well you could build a kernel without it and see if devaun still works | 18:28 |
| debman | im going to... | 18:28 |
| debman | itll take me an hour merely | 18:29 |
| debman | then everything will break | 18:29 |
| debman | even though, once upon a time, cgroups didn't exist in linux | 18:29 |
| gnarface | maybe everything will break, but i'm not so sure of that | 18:29 |
| debman | it could be, that specific programs, will break | 18:30 |
| gnarface | cgroups aren't my area of expertise though, i'm sure there's someone else around here that would know better | 18:30 |
| debman | have you ever built a custom kernel for devuan? | 18:30 |
| gnarface | yes | 18:30 |
| debman | its been a long time since I used it | 18:30 |
| gnarface | it's not different from debian | 18:30 |
| gnarface | you should be able to follow their instructions | 18:31 |
| gnarface | just using apt-* and dpkg-* tools | 18:31 |
| debman | I like to work on the system outside of apt completely | 18:32 |
| debman | thats what makes debian really nice actually | 18:32 |
| debman | its easy to do that | 18:32 |
| debman | other systems aren't so nice | 18:32 |
| gnarface | well you can but i'm not sure it really makes things easier | 18:32 |
| gnarface | either way it should be the same as debian in that regard | 18:32 |
| debman | its the only way to really customize things, after a certain point | 18:32 |
| debman | u can only do so much with built in tools, in other words | 18:33 |
| debman | if you dont use apt at all for example | 18:33 |
| debman | resources for using linux are still generally compatible with debian | 18:33 |
| gnarface | well it's just the easiest way to get the kernel source package and all the build deps | 18:34 |
| debman | so it's very easy to work with | 18:34 |
| debman | you never tried root only devuan? | 18:34 |
| debman | its a totally different experience... | 18:34 |
| debman | limitations, you didnt know existed, evaporate | 18:35 |
| gnarface | i've booted into single user mode to repair things before, but running everything as root is kinda a noob move | 18:35 |
| gnarface | you really should consider security | 18:35 |
| debman | that's how kali linux works... | 18:35 |
| debman | made for experts | 18:35 |
| debman | thats the opposite of "noob" | 18:36 |
| gnarface | heh | 18:36 |
| debman | I guess there's apt-get and wget, xD | 18:37 |
| debman | they rhyme... that's nice | 18:37 |
| debman | and do the same thing basically | 18:37 |
| gnarface | does anyone know if cgroups are actually being used by default for stuff in the base install? | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, I see the following for 'mount |grep cgroup | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | ' | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | on my desktop system but not in a booted no-X live-iso | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | cgroup2 on /sys/fs/cgroup type cgroup2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,nsdelegate)\ | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | minus the final backslash | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | the no-X is also no dbus and no *kit | 18:46 |
| gnarface | hmm, cgroups show up as mounts? | 18:47 |
| gnarface | i see no cgroup in the output of mount on my system here | 18:48 |
| gnarface | maybe elogind is doing it? | 18:49 |
| rwp | I just happened to have a default Devuan 5 Daedalus install here and /sys/fs/cgroup is mounted by default. (slim is also running so perhaps slim did it.) | 19:05 |
| paculino | Is there a way to override the ii/rc stuff for packages? | 21:44 |
| paculino | I switched from a github release to a proper apt repo, but wanted to keep configurations all the same. It also applies to going from apt managed to locally compiled | 21:45 |
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