| chomwitt | Goodmorning . | 07:51 |
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| chomwitt | Why in daedalus emacs-nox would be in conflict with emacs-gtk? | 07:52 |
| rwp | At one time I am sure they both installed the same files as each other so both could not be installed at the same time. And now it is just legacy. | 07:58 |
| rwp | Plus that if one wants emacs-gtk then there is no need for emacs-nox. I always install emacs-nox and have no need or desire for emacs-gtk. | 07:59 |
| rwp | Clearly now with update-alternatives in force for /usr/bin/emacs it would be possible for both of them to be installed at the same time now. | 07:59 |
| chomwitt | rwp thanks. i wonder how emacs -nw is different from emacs-nox | 08:00 |
| rwp | Right now the /usr/libexec/emacs/28.2/$ARCH-linux-gnu/emacs.pdmp file would be the only conflict I see and that could be dealt with. | 08:00 |
| rwp | Compare the size of the installation between emacs-nox and emacs-gtk. emacs-gtk is, to put it mildly, frig'in huge compared to a emacs-nox install. | 08:01 |
| rwp | I never install X on server systems for example and install emacs-nox exclusively there. If one were to install emacs-gtk then that would pull in the entire graphics sub-system. | 08:01 |
| chomwitt | rwp: my stumpwm cant start emacs-nox thought. | 08:05 |
| chomwitt | i mean with the default keybindings. it could be because it runs inside a tty.. | 08:06 |
| gnarface | yea, you probably have to start a terminal first, would be my guess | 08:08 |
| gnarface | there should be a way at least with most terminals to auto-launch them with a program preloaded on the command-line though... | 08:08 |
| chomwitt | gnarface: thanks for the tip! | 08:10 |
| gnarface | no problem | 08:22 |
| rwp | Normally one runs emacs-nox in a terminal "just like any other editor" one says when using any non-X editor. Set EDITOR=emacs instead of EDITOR=vim and then you get emacs for things. | 17:49 |
| rwp | If you absolutely must start a graphical window then setting up a script with #!/bin/sh\n x-terminal-emulator -e $EDITOR "$@"\n would do it. | 17:50 |
| rkta | TIL -nox is for no X, I always thought it was latin for night (not an emacs user, obviously). | 17:56 |
| rwp | Yes. There is also a vim-nox too for the same reason. | 18:00 |
| rwp | In my mind the idea that editing a file MUST start some type of graphical widget just shocks me to the core. What? That's just a completely different mindset from the way I use the system. | 18:04 |
| rwp | I mean what's wrong with the terminal one is already using? Which I know answers the question that the user is not already using a terminal. That's the start of the issue. | 18:04 |
| Hurgotron | The standard x11 vim shows some funny behaviour in the Debian configuration. Like, when you try pasting with the middle mouse button. I would guess that the -nox version doesn't have that problem, and emacs could be similar. | 18:19 |
| alv | aloa again online | 18:31 |
| alv | golinux: i will be here for a while !!! | 18:33 |
| golinux | alv: Just finished b'fast! Welcome back!! | 19:00 |
| Hurgotron | Been asking that on the Telegram channel already, but got no definitive answer, so I'll try here, too: My Daedalus VM used an old tomcat9 package, which doesn't get any updates anymore, despite tomcat9 still being maintained upstream. I fund that surprising, and also dangerous, since I was missing a bunch of security fixes. | 20:31 |
| Hurgotron | Isn't there some kind of "deprecated" warning for unmaintained packages? Did I miss it? | 20:31 |
| djph | version numbers don't necessarily cahnge, Hurgotron | 22:26 |
| Hurgotron | djph: I didn't expect them to. It's more like, there should be some kind of warning abut packages being unmaintained. Even removal would be better - breakage instead of running insecure stuff unknowingly. And I somehow thought I had seen that in the past | 22:29 |
| n4dir | you could install apt-listbugs, if you haven't already. I don't think it will help a heck lot | 22:30 |
| n4dir | there sure are according bug reports, forgot the name. packages in the need of help or maintainance | 22:31 |
| n4dir | i sure never ran in such a warning via packagemanagement, nor heard of it | 22:32 |
| rwp | Hurgotron, Of course in a terminal X11 copy-paste is handled by the terminal and not by {emacs,vim}-nox running inside the terminal. So that points the finger to the terminal. | 22:32 |
| djph | Hurgotron: more the case that just a version number may not be sufficient to determine "unmaintained" | 22:40 |
| Hurgotron | djph: Well I'm running Linux for nearly 30 years, and don't remember such a situation, that a package from the distro repo just stops getting security fixes at some point, especially *while upstream still releases them*. But I do remember situations where the distro forced me to go to a different version of something. I just don't remember how exactly, it's been a while I guess | 22:48 |
| paculino | Does anyone know of a repo containing deadbeef that doesn't have a tangled mess of dependencies like the debian multimedia one? | 23:42 |
| plasma41 | paculino: I should preface this by saying this isn't remotely officially supported, but you could try compiling the deadbeef deb-src package from MX Linux. https://mxrepo.com/mx/repo/pool/main/d/deadbeef/ | 23:59 |
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