| jaywon | hi | 00:11 |
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| gnarface | hi jaywon, no need for permission, just ask | 00:13 |
| jaywon | I'm having trouble updating my system ,has been like so for a few weeks now,and am lost for further ideas | 00:14 |
| jaywon | Very vague , am aware but ... | 00:15 |
| gnarface | a relevant error message might help | 00:16 |
| gnarface | also which release you're using | 00:16 |
| jaywon | well , what I get is :temporary failure resolving devuan.org | 00:17 |
| gnarface | that's definitely a DNS error | 00:17 |
| gnarface | that helps a bit | 00:17 |
| gnarface | how do you configure your network? network-manager? something else? by hand? is it wireless or ethernet? | 00:18 |
| jaywon | thanks , had a word with the isp , to no avail...reinstalled twice,same results | 00:18 |
| gnarface | yea, i wouldn't have expected reinstalling to help with something like this, i could have saved you the trouble | 00:19 |
| gnarface | we just need to figure out if the fault is in your network config or your ISP's DNS config | 00:19 |
| jaywon | all is done automatically(or so it was) -Mr.Gnarface you guys are always flat out,so... | 00:20 |
| gnarface | so, DHCP? | 00:20 |
| gnarface | let's start with this: check the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf file | 00:20 |
| jaywon | yes,DHCP -thank you , will do | 00:20 |
| jaywon | I'll log out and search a bit deeper,many thanks | 00:22 |
| gnarface | well, i would recommend staying connected here while you solve it | 00:22 |
| gnarface | need to figure out what it's using for your DNS servers first, whether that's your router or the direct IP addresses of the ISP's DNS servers, or ... something else | 00:22 |
| gnarface | then we need to figure out if whatever that is is what you're supposed to be using, and whether it's functioning right or not | 00:23 |
| gnarface | all these tests should be pretty simple | 00:23 |
| jaywon | right, will stay on ,and ,well ,since day one ,I had no trouble at all, | 00:23 |
| jaywon | brb | 00:24 |
| jaywon | ok - etc/resolv.conf states=Gen by Conn Mgr nameserver ::1 nameserver 127.0.01 | 00:28 |
| gnarface | well that's a new one | 00:28 |
| gnarface | i'm pretty sure it's wrong though unless you're running a local dns resolver like dnsmasq or unbound or something like that | 00:28 |
| gnarface | does it actually say 127.0.01 or did you mean 127.0.0.1? | 00:29 |
| jaywon | nothing of the sort,believe me -plain vanilla installation | 00:29 |
| jaywon | sorry the correct one is 127.0.0.1 | 00:30 |
| gnarface | so, the first place to start would be whatever generated this | 00:31 |
| gnarface | which is most likely a GUI tool somewhere on your desktop where the rest of the network config is also setup | 00:31 |
| gnarface | off the top of my head i'm not sure which one says "Gen by Conn Mgr" | 00:31 |
| gnarface | if it was Network Manager i would have expected it to say that | 00:32 |
| gnarface | maybe connman? | 00:32 |
| jaywon | yes ,it was done during install -I abbreviated the tille Generated by Connection Manager in full | 00:32 |
| gnarface | can you find the interface and just look at the settings? | 00:33 |
| jaywon | in a minute | 00:34 |
| gnarface | chances are something is set wrong either there or in the DHCP server (which would most likely be your router) | 00:34 |
| gnarface | if it used to work right, chances are it's something you changed that broke it, but there's the possibility your ISP changed something in your router remotely that did it, or something else | 00:36 |
| jaywon | nothing wrong it seems , I will speak to the isp lot tomorrow ,am parting now...many thanks ,I will let you know tomorrow one way or another | 00:37 |
| jaywon | bye for now )) | 00:38 |
| * gnarface sighs | 00:38 | |
| gnarface | i'm not satisfied we gathered enough information to take to the ISP about this just yet... | 00:38 |
| amarsh04 | hmm, the permissions on /dev/dvb look like: drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 60 Sep 10 11:48 dvb but I can't as a user play media on it like I used to | 04:26 |
| gnarface | maybe that's because it's actually a directory, and the device you need is underneath it? | 04:28 |
| gnarface | just a guess based on this first google search hit: https://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis-old/dvb_devices.html | 04:28 |
| gnarface | (and the fact your permission string starts with a "d" for directory) | 04:29 |
| amarsh04 | ok, it's showing as /dev/dvb/adaptor0 | 04:29 |
| amarsh04 | the files under /dev/dvb/adapter0 (demux0, dvr0, frontend0 and net0) are all showing as permission crw------- so access is blocked unless one is root | 04:32 |
| amarsh04 | owner and group root | 04:32 |
| gnarface | the files are probably created by udev rules, which you can alter to set whatever permissions you want | 04:34 |
| gnarface | though in some cases i've seen drivers that allow you to set permissions with a modprobe option | 04:34 |
| gnarface | kinda weird that it's not already defaulted to group "video" which i believe would be standard Debian behavior, but not overly surprising | 04:35 |
| amarsh04 | I downgraded media-player-info which contains /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/40-usb-media-players.rules | 04:55 |
| amarsh04 | same problem | 04:55 |
| amarsh04 | will reboot to an older kernel next to try | 05:00 |
| amarsh04 | device shows fine in dmesg and I was able to run w_scan successfully as root | 05:01 |
| rwp | What is a /dev/dvb? I only know about /dev/dvd /dev/cdrom being symlinks to /dev/sr0 which is "brw-rw----+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 Aug 27 18:12 /dev/sr0" and I put myself in the cdrom group so that I can access it as myself. | 05:17 |
| amarsh04 | rwb Digital Video Broadcast (digital television receiver) | 05:18 |
| amarsh04 | rwp sorry | 05:18 |
| rwp | TIL that a /dev/dvb is created for a Digital Broadcast Receiever. | 05:21 |
| amarsh04 | I can't find "demux0" in any eudev / udev rules | 05:30 |
| gnarface | try to grep for dvb | 05:31 |
| amarsh04 | been doing that also | 05:32 |
| gnarface | /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:38:SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", GROUP="video" | 05:32 |
| gnarface | /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-input.rules:20:ATTRS{name}=="*dvb*|*DVB*|* IR *", ENV{.INPUT_CLASS}="ir" | 05:32 |
| gnarface | i find these two | 05:32 |
| gnarface | which backs up my theory that it should have been already group video | 05:33 |
| gnarface | so the question is, why isn't it? | 05:33 |
| amarsh04 | 70-uacess.rules was last updated 6th August 2024 | 05:33 |
| gnarface | are you on testing or unstable? i'm looking at stable here | 05:34 |
| amarsh04 | unstable | 05:34 |
| gnarface | that must be it | 05:34 |
| gnarface | i'd recommend looking at stable and try to figure out what you're missing | 05:34 |
| amarsh04 | elogind package | 05:34 |
| gnarface | it might really just be this one: /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules:38:SUBSYSTEM=="dvb", GROUP="video" | 05:35 |
| gnarface | (of relevance, anyway) | 05:35 |
| gnarface | on my system, that file is part of eudev | 05:35 |
| amarsh04 | eudev hasn't changed since January 2024 and I had things working in the last few weeks | 05:36 |
| gnarface | hmm | 05:37 |
| amarsh04 | will try downgrading elogind | 05:37 |
| amarsh04 | is there a snapshot site for devuan? | 05:44 |
| gnarface | no, i don't think so | 06:06 |
| rwp | Except for the 115 some packages in the Devuan banned list all 100% of the packages are the same verbatim as in Debian and the snapshot.debian.org site will contain the packages installed in Devuan. | 06:08 |
| amarsh04 | rwp - I was looking for a snapshot of libelogind-compat (which is in Devuan but not Debian) | 06:47 |
| yeti | http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/elogind/ ? | 08:15 |
| amarsh04 | thanks yeti - as this is different from how Debian organises snapshots, perhaps this should be better documented? | 09:09 |
| amarsh04 | yeti, the upgrade message was [UPGRADE] libelogind-compat:amd64 255.5-2 -> 255.5-3, but the directory http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/elogind/ does not include version 255.5-2 | 09:12 |
| outofcreativity | fsmithred: thank you for clarification! | 09:20 |
| amarsh04 | restarted and can access dvb device, shows group rw permission and group plugdev | 09:57 |
| amarsh04 | found in 60-librtlsdr0.rules | 10:04 |
| unclouded | Is there a problem with IPv6 to (deb.devuan.org)|2407:b6c0::12|:80, or is it just me? | 10:29 |
| onefang | unclouded: according to http://veritas.devuan.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html and https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html there isn't any problem with that server right now. So it might be just you. | 10:40 |
| unclouded | Thanks onefang. I might be having some trouble with apt-cacher-ng after all. | 10:42 |
| BillyBeefcurtain | Hey does devuan support systemd yet? | 22:12 |
| BillyBeefcurtain | I think that would be a good feature | 22:12 |
| debdog | yah, I am all for that! | 22:16 |
| debdog | we should start a petition! | 22:16 |
| rwp | Debian is the systemd fork of Devuan. Give it a try! They keep saying systemd is the only way to do everything. | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | lol | 22:21 |
| freaxeh | I consider it a spoon | 22:27 |
| golinux | BillyBeefcurtain: This is a help channel but not for the kind of help you need. LOL! | 22:30 |
| debdog | dang people. we could've just found a go-fund-me-devuan thingy to raise funds. even though under false pretence | 22:36 |
| rustyaxe | Seems moderately ... what's the appropriate word to use in 2024? :P | 23:08 |
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