libera/#devuan/ Monday, 2024-09-09

paculinoIs there something going on with packages related to curl? A backports update has been available for them for some time it appears, yet they aren't updating and are not shown as marked hold05:20
gnarfaceusually backports is just for important updates that break the distro's compatibility rules for the stable release05:32
gnarfacecompletely normal05:32
rrqpaculino: the default apt policy puts backports packages at priprity 100 which is the same priority as installed packages; therefore apt will not consider it an update candidate05:56
paculinoOkay, thank you. I thought it would update because it is recommended for yt-dlp, which I keep updated from backports05:57
davidsevillehow do I install devuan?18:45
fsmithreddavidseville, have you ever installed debian? We use the same installer.18:51
fsmithredThis might help: https://www.devuan.org/os/install18:52
outofcreativityfsmithred: while poking around, I saw that a gtk installer is build. I remember reading that this is unsupported, is this still true for Daedalus?21:34
gnarfacei don't recall hearing anything about a "gtk installer"21:36
gnarfaceyou got a link to such a thing?21:36
outofcreativityerr, i mean graphical installer, like debian21:40
outofcreativityi'll grab the link, just a sec21:40
outofcreativityhttps://ftp.fau.de/devuan/devuan/dists/daedalus/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/gtk/21:42
outofcreativityboot the iso or pxe boot the netboot files21:43
gnarfaceah, interesting. i don't know then. what do you need this for that the regular netinstall iso can't do though?21:43
gnarfaceif in doubt, you should probably just use this one: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso21:44
gnarfacencurses mode isn't functionally different from the old graphical mode i remember21:45
gnarfacejust not as pretty21:45
rwpIf you want a GUI then the refracta installer is probably the GUI way.  I very much prefer the terminal installer.  It's so much easier and faster to use.  Just arrow keys and Enter and just blast through it in a couple of moments.21:45
outofcreativityi know, thanks. i use the ncurses installer, i was just poking around the server, grabbing files for pxe booting21:46
gnarfacewe don't get many PXE users around here, but the last time one came through i'm pretty sure the normal stuff did work for them the same way as in debian21:48
gnarfacemight be the type of thing where you'll be the first one to report testing it for daedalus though21:49
rwpAFAIK there nothing has changed recently with respect to PXE boot configurations.  Mine is a little stale now and I have been thinking I need to update and expand it.  But it works the same now as it has always worked.21:52
outofcreativityI haven't done much with PXE lately, but I want to test debian on an old machine and don't want to fiddle with cds or usb sticks :)21:55
outofcreativityin the past it worked well with debian, not yet tried devuan tho21:56
gnarfaceyea, shouldn't be any different for devuan. give it a try and let us know.21:56
devuanconsumerI don't understand why my Brother_HL-L2395DW_series printer works perfectly on one computer but not the other. When I go to "http://localhost:631/printers/" It shows the printer as "idle" on the working computer but on the computer where it's not working it shows the printer as "Processing - "Waiting for printer to become available."21:57
devuanconsumerany ideas?21:57
outofcreativitygnarface: will do21:57
devuanconsumerI checked that the cups packages are installed on both computers and they're the same21:57
rwpNever give your printer any hints that you are in a rush.  It can smell fear.21:57
gnarfacedevuanconsumer: maybe there's a job in the local queue for the non-working one that was started before you properly configured the printer there?21:58
onefanglol21:58
outofcreativitydevuan: have you tried  a power cyle of the printer?21:58
gnarfacedevuanconsumer: dig through the config menus carefully, make sure the printer address matches the one that's working and it's set to be the default printer21:59
onefangrwp: That sounded like my brother, the printer repair tech of our family, only he worked for Xerox, not Brother.21:59
rwpdevuanconsumer, Are both of your computers 32-bit systems?  AFAIK the Brother driver is a 32-bit driver only.21:59
devuanconsumerI figured it out, i simply deleted the current brother printer and readded them it the network22:00
devuanconsumerI love it when I ask a question and then figure it out !22:00
onefangCool.22:00
devuanconsumerthank you as always gnarface22:00
rwpI have a client with a Brother printer and they ONLY supported the 32-bit driver for Ubuntu 16.04.  To make things work I created an Ubuntu 16.04 Virtual Machine to be a print spooler.  And that's the way it works to the present day.22:00
gnarfacenp22:01
rwpWhat I said only applies to USB interfaces.  If it is a network printer then nevermind as the IPP driver should work.22:01
gnarfaceheh, i just put my Brother printer in "HP emulation mode" and use the HP LaserJet 6 driver22:02
gnarfacemuch nicer :)22:02
gnarfacepractically a drop-in replacement for the HP LaserJet i was using before22:02
onefangI just avoid printers, that's my bro's gig.  I do have one here, a ticket printer that belongs to an old client that hasn't bothered to pick it up.  I wrote the driver for it for his embedded system.22:03
rwpRage against the Machine was never really specific about which type of machine they were furious with but I think it was probably a printer.22:06
gnarfacehehe22:06
onefanglol22:06
XenguyPC LETTER LOAD?!  WTF?!?22:10
Xenguy<cut to gangsta hiphop>22:11
fsmithredoutofcreativity, yes, there is a graphical installer in one of the mini isos in the debian-installer tree. The mini.iso may or may not work for you. It has only the bare minimum. No firmware packages or other stuff that you might need.23:10
fsmithredand the graphical d-i sucks.23:11

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