| dvbst | didnt i do it during the chroot | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| rrq | that'd be my question to you :) | 00:00 |
| dvbst | cp --dereference /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/etc/ | 00:00 |
| dvbst | if thats that then i did it | 00:01 |
| rrq | ok; so how do you know that you "don't have nework" (note I just woke up and haven't followed ) | 00:02 |
| dvbst | ping gnu.org says temporary faliure in name resolution | 00:02 |
| rrq | ok; do you have a local resolver? | 00:03 |
| dvbst | a what? | 00:03 |
| rrq | what's in your resolv.conf (the nameserver lines) | 00:03 |
| dvbst | oh well | 00:04 |
| dvbst | seems like i didnt actually do it during the chrooting | 00:04 |
| rrq | that's ok.. do it now | 00:04 |
| rrq | a side note; as gnarface said, the cable interface might be named eth0 later, when you boot into that filesyste currenlt being chroot | 00:07 |
| dvbst | oh well, it doesnt let me do that now | 00:08 |
| rrq | right, no, it's just something to keep in mind for later | 00:08 |
| dvbst | yea i guess ill try it again tomorrow | 00:08 |
| dvbst | good night, thanks for help and sorry for being stupid | 00:09 |
| rrq | don't be sorry for making mistakes. sweet dreams. | 00:09 |
| * rrq wonders if he crossed the boundary between supportive and patronizing.. well; being an old man. | 00:13 | |
| fsmithred | welcome to the club | 00:23 |
| onefang | rrq: You need to earn that grey beard somehow, but what you do with it is up to you. | 02:25 |
| dvbst | hello, it is me again with the runit upgrade problem | 14:28 |
| dvbst | i chrooted, reconfigured locales, apt-get purged avahi-*, and then put everything that was spat out by find / -iname "*bluetooth*" to some other folder, so that the system acts as if it were deleted | 14:33 |
| dvbst | and now when i boot, the screen is cleared and i cant do nothing, but the bluetooth something something kernel message is gone and all i have is a blinking _ | 14:34 |
| rrq | does anything change with Ctrl-Alt-F2 ? | 14:37 |
| dvbst | but when i mash ctrl+alt+f1 then the tty appears and system instantly writes on it: | 14:44 |
| dvbst | ok: run: dbus: (pid 1937) 1s | 14:44 |
| dvbst | same line again | 14:44 |
| dvbst | ok: run: elogind: (pid 1930) 1s | 14:44 |
| dvbst | Starting Connection Manager:. | 14:44 |
| dvbst | Starting Bluetooth Dun daemon: dundee. | 14:44 |
| dvbst | Starting oFono Mobile Telephone Daemon: ofonod. | 14:44 |
| dvbst | Starting SANE network scanner server: saned | 14:44 |
| dvbst | and then it clears the screen | 14:44 |
| dvbst | rrq its the same on all ttys, just the tty number changes | 14:44 |
| rrq | if you reboot and add init=/bin/bash to the boot command line you might be able to investigate it from within its bootup | 14:49 |
| rrq | seems like the pid 1 process fails, maybe, or the supervision process(es) ... | 14:50 |
| dvbst | isnt there some sort of boot log file which i could inspect from a live iso? | 14:51 |
| dvbst | that would be easier | 14:51 |
| rrq | maybe; you still need that runit wiz, I think :) | 14:52 |
| dvbst | ok then, lets wait | 14:53 |
| fsmithred | dvbsa, I just scrolled up and saw that you have nvidia graphics. Have you tried adding 'nomodeset' to the boot command? (Or removing it if it's already there.) | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | dvbst,^^^ | 15:12 |
| dvbst | how do i do that? | 15:13 |
| dvbst | and also for the graphics card to do anything, i would need to install the drivers to the new kernel | 15:14 |
| dvbst | and nvidia recently released the open source ones and i think they are installed in a different way, and i havent looked up how to do that yet | 15:15 |
| gnarface | you can add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, then re-run update-grub (all in the chroot) | 15:15 |
| dvbst | and also regarding the kernel, i think daedalus uses 6.1, and on the chroot it still uses 5.10 | 15:16 |
| dvbst | but it does display properly that it is now devuan 5 daedalus after the upgrade, it just uses the old kernel for some reason | 15:17 |
| gnarface | chroot is using your boot system's kernel | 15:18 |
| gnarface | it could be a problem, TBH, but usually you get away with it | 15:19 |
| dvbst | oh and also, apt wanted to swap out the grub file for a new one, and it asked me if i want to do that or keep the old one, and i chose to keep the old one as that was the default option | 15:22 |
| dvbst | i didnt think it would have an impact on anything | 15:22 |
| gnarface | i would have diff'd them to be sure | 15:23 |
| dvbst | will it redo it if i do dpkg-reconfigure grub? | 15:23 |
| gnarface | i don't know, but it might have made a backup of the old one | 15:24 |
| gnarface | look for something else in /etc/default/ named grub.* but not grub.d | 15:25 |
| gnarface | usually there's not much in this file you need to change | 15:27 |
| gnarface | see something like /etc/default/grub.dpkg-old in there? | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | sorry, I got pulled away | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | dvbst, if you are booting uefi mode (i.e. booting grub) then press 'e' at the boot menu and add any extra options like nomodeset to the end of the linux line, then ctrl-x to boot. | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | If you booted live media with isolinux, press TAB to edit the line | 15:38 |
| dvbst | oh wait so i dont even need to edit the file on a liveiso? i can do it from the console? | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | one shot deal | 15:39 |
| dvbst | ok | 15:39 |
| fsmithred | do yo know if you're booting isolinux or grub? | 15:39 |
| dvbst | grub | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | ok | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | e | 15:40 |
| dvbst | yes im already there | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | :) | 15:40 |
| fsmithred | nomodeset | 15:40 |
| dvbst | yes yes | 15:41 |
| fsmithred | is quiet on the line or not? | 15:41 |
| dvbst | it isnt | 15:42 |
| dvbst | well, i added nomodeset and booted, and that crushed and returned to the bios | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | ok, you get more information without it, but I think it also allows the kernel to spam your console with messages | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | that's weird | 15:42 |
| dvbst | i hope its not permanent | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | I would have expected it to boot to visible screen or black screen | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | you added that word to the end of the linux line? And then ctrl-x? | 15:44 |
| dvbst | yup | 15:46 |
| fsmithred | what are you trying to boot? which live system? | 15:46 |
| dvbst | i tried that on the devuan computer, not the livecd | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. | 15:47 |
| dvbst | and i rebooted and im currently on the livecd to try what gnarface suggested | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | ok, good | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | oh, if you're just going to add nomodeset to /etc/default/grub it should do the same thing. | 15:49 |
| fsmithred | when you run update-grub it edits grub.cfg with any changes you made. | 15:49 |
| dvbst | okay so i think we already tried it with adding the nomodeset, so i dont need to add anything to the file and try to update it again | 15:51 |
| fsmithred | I don't understand how it got to the bios when you tried to boot. | 15:52 |
| dvbst | and then what i think gnarface told me to do next is to run dpkg-reconfigure on the grub files? is that right? | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah, dpkg-reconfigure might help | 15:52 |
| dvbst | but do i do it on the files or the whole grub package? | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | on package, but I'm trying to figure out which one | 15:54 |
| dvbst | i mean i can just do grub* | 15:54 |
| dvbst | i think | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | dpkg-reconfigure grub-efi-amd64 | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | or grub-pc if you're not using uefi | 15:57 |
| dvbst | okay so first of all it complains that the locale is not set again | 15:59 |
| dvbst | and yea im gonna run that cuz it said that grub* is not a valid package name | 15:59 |
| dvbst | okay so it says "The following Linux command line was extracted from /etc/default/grub or the 'kopt' parameter in GRUB Legacy's menu.lst. Please verify that it is correct, and modify if necessary. The command line is allowed to be empty." and now it wants me to write something | 16:04 |
| dvbst | and theres nothing else, nothing for me to verify, just a place where i can write something and "[ok]" | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | press enter for ok | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | I guess | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | maybe also do dpkg-reconfigure locales | 16:15 |
| dvbst | already reconfigured locales | 16:17 |
| dvbst | it didnt let me reconfigure grub without doing that | 16:17 |
| dvbst | okay done | 16:19 |
| dvbst | grub is reconfigured | 16:19 |
| fsmithred | try reboot? | 16:22 |
| dvbst | no change | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | I would try adding nomodeset again only because I would assume that I did something wrong to get it to go to bios. | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | That usually requires some specific keyboard interaction. | 16:32 |
| dvbst | i honestly dont think that my gpu has anything to do with it | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | What live system are you using? | 16:39 |
| dvbst | its this fsf version of arch | 16:40 |
| dvbst | something like that | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | ok, so if that works... | 16:41 |
| dvbst | it has pacman and arch-chroot and all that so lets just say its arch | 16:41 |
| fsmithred | is this very new hardware and the live has a newer kernel? | 16:41 |
| dvbst | ryzen 7 3700x and rtx 2060, and i burned that cd back in 2021 i think and i honestly do not know | 16:43 |
| dvbst | but if you say that the chroot uses the host kernel, then it would mean that it has the 5.10 kernel | 16:44 |
| dvbst | i may have burnt it in 2022, i actually dont know | 16:44 |
| fsmithred | I think the chroot uses the kernel of the system from which you are launching the chroot, not the kernel in the chrooted system. | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | which is why you get an error message if you try to shutdown or reboot inside a chroot. | 16:48 |
| dvbst | yea so the live iso is 5.10 | 16:50 |
| dvbst | thats what i meant | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | Does the live iso have nvidia driver installed? | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | and did you try a devuan live? | 16:56 |
| dvbst | no it doesnt have any drivers installed, but the gpu only needs the drivers for the monitor with gsync, im currently using a different one and its fine | 17:02 |
| dvbst | and no i didnt try a devuan live, i dont even have it, but what difference would that make? all i need to do is mount my drive, make some changes to the files and thats that, this livecd does that just fine | 17:02 |
| dvbst | i mean if i have to have the devuan live then ill do it, but i dont think i need to | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | No, I was just wondering about what works and what doesn't. I don't know anything about gsync. | 17:06 |
| dvbst | its just a matter of displaying stuff, if im not in gui or using a monitor with gsync/freesync but just a normal one, then it doesnt matter if im using nvidia, intel, amd or the cpu for graphics on the console level | 17:12 |
| fsmithred | So can you boot to console and install nvidia driver? I guess you would need to disable the display manager. Is it lightdm? | 17:25 |
| dvbst | it currently doesnt matter if i have the nvidia driver or not, things fail before lightdm can even pop up | 17:34 |
| dvbst | if it was just the nvidia driver then we would have no problem, i know how to fix this cuz its a specific type of error and it happens every time the kernel is updated, so i had done that a few times | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | What are the current errors you're getting? Did the avahi and bluetooth errors stop? | 17:44 |
| AEonFyr | I'm experimenting with upgrading daedalus to excalibur. It seems that there's no updates or security repos for excalibur. Do I leave the daedalus security and updates repos configured in my sources.list, or is there just one entry in sources.list for excalibur like so: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged excalibur main non-free-firmware | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | AEonFyr, excalibur is still the testing suite, so there is only one repo line. | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | Don't keep the daedalus lines. | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | well, comment them and then when excalibur goes stable, uncomment them and make them say excalibur- instead of daedalus- | 19:34 |
| AEonFyr | Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, but how are the updates and security packages that would normally be delivered in stable handled in testing? | 19:36 |
| rwp | Testing is a 10 day delay for most normal packages behind Unstable. All updates go into Unstable. | 19:40 |
| fsmithred | updated packages go into sid/ceres (unstable) and then usually migrate to excalibur in a week. | 19:40 |
| rwp | If there are no release-critical bugs reported against the package in Unstable then it is promoted to Testing after 10 days. If the package is marked urgent then I believe it is 2 or 3 days. | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | If you don't want to wait, you can add a line for ceres and pin it to a lower priority. Then you can install selected packages from ceres. | 19:41 |
| fsmithred | Sometimes that's useful to fix a breakage that gets introduced to testing. | 19:42 |
| fsmithred | If you're not very comfortable with handling a broken system, you might wait until debian testing (trixie?) goes into freeze. | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | if not until excalibur goes stable, which will be after trixie goes stable. | 19:43 |
| rwp | Backports is a good consideration if the particular package you are requiring has been updated there. | 19:44 |
| AEonFyr | tyvm. Is there a release notes for excalibur? I already found that it borked on missing usrmerge so I had to install it to continue. | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | No release notes because it hasn't been released yet. | 19:46 |
| AEonFyr | touche. :) is there a pre-release notes? | 19:47 |
| fsmithred | check the forum | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | I know we've discussed this, but I can't recall where we have it in print. | 19:48 |
| AEonFyr | will do, thanks. | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6570 | 19:52 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6435 | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | TLDR; Install usrmerge in daedalus before upgrading to excalibur. | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | And take notes so you can tell us how to do it. | 19:58 |
| AEonFyr | I had already updated my sources to excalibur and executed 'apt-get update'. It borked unpacking base-files. I then installed usrmerge with excalibur still in sources.list and it appeared to have gone ok. | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | Yeah, I've done a successful upgrade without installing usrmerge first. But I've also done bad ones. | 20:15 |
| rwp | When people are running Testing it is often recommended to install apt-listchanges which at the time of upgrades notifies about bugs in the incoming packages. And then presumably you can decide not to install such packages and wait for them to be fixed first. | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | The good one was the most recent. | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | and yes 1+ to apt-listchanges | 20:16 |
| rwp | Honestly I always remove apt-listchanges because it is noisy. I never run Testing. I do run Unstable. And the noise from it is seemingly infinite. | 20:17 |
| rwp | Plus I am going to install the package anyway. And if it were a new fresh install then all of those would be installed anyway. | 20:17 |
| fsmithred | q is your friend | 20:18 |
| dvbst | fsmithred, i get no errors now, its just that the system dumps messages on the tty and then clears the screen, and yes the avahi and bluetooth errors did stop | 20:19 |
| dvbst | and let me look again at what does the system dump | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | dvbst, try adding 'quiet' to the boot command to see if that stops it. If that doesn't work, you can change the behavior... | 20:20 |
| fsmithred | in /etc/sysctl.conf | 20:20 |
| AEonFyr | Thanks all. Upgrade to excalibur looks successful, so now to use it and see if it breaks anywhere. | 20:20 |
| dvbst | dbus, elogind, connection manager, dundee, ofonod and saned | 20:20 |
| dvbst | are you sure that runit respects /etc/sysctl.conf? | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | uh, no | 20:22 |
| dvbst | was it "apropos" that allows to search in the man pages? | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | also, inside a man page, type a slash and then a search pattern. | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | and enter. Then slash and enter to go to the next | 20:24 |
| fsmithred | works in 'less' too | 20:24 |
| dvbst | damn so i do remember some things from back when i was tinkering with my system daily | 20:25 |
| fsmithred | I'm gonna reboot into runit and see if magic sysrq keys work. | 20:27 |
| fsmithred | back in a few minutes | 20:27 |
| user_fsr | I'm back. Not exactly sure how to test if runit obeys sysctl.conf. | 20:34 |
| user_fsr | I have non-default settings in there for magic sysrq keys, but I'm not sure which ones are inactive by default. | 20:34 |
| dvbst | it doesnt respect /etc/sysctl.conf | 20:46 |
| dvbst | fsmithred, it doesnt respect /etc/sysctl.conf | 20:48 |
| dvbst | https://docs.voidlinux.org/config/services/index.html#managing-services | 20:53 |
| dvbst | take a look at this | 20:53 |
| dvbst | so i dont think it has any options to be quiet or not | 20:58 |
| dvbst | i guess the best i can do is randomly turn some services that run at boot off and see what happens | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | update-service --remove /etc/sv/lightdm | 21:03 |
| dvbst | but why would i remove it if it doesnt even boot up to that point | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | oh, I thought you could get console access. | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | boot to console, I mean. | 21:04 |
| dvbst | for that i could just ctrl+alt+f2 and login on the tty | 21:05 |
| dvbst | but the problem is that it doesnt let me on the tty | 21:05 |
| dvbst | how can i send a picture here? | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | That void page doesn't say anything about sysctl. | 21:06 |
| fsmithred | upload pics to transfer.sh | 21:07 |
| dvbst | for some reason i cant reach it | 21:11 |
| dvbst | is it country restricted? | 21:11 |
| fsmithred | I don't know | 21:12 |
| dvbst | can i send it to you through catbox | 21:12 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi guys | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 15.028122] platform regulatory.0: firmware: failed to load regulatory.db (-2) | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 15.028217] firmware_class: See https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware for information about missing firmware | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 15.028322] platform regulatory.0: Direct firmware load for regulatory.db failed with error -2 | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 15.028327] cfg80211: failed to load regulatory.db | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 15.029207] alg: No test for fips(ansi_cprng) (fips_ansi_cprng) | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 15.060949] iTCO_vendor_support: vendor-support=0 | 21:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | any help about firmware ? | 21:14 |
| fsmithred | dvbst, you can't get there from here. What is catbox? | 21:14 |
| dvbst | file sharing website | 21:14 |
| AlexLikeRock | meo meo ! | 21:15 |
| dvbst | catbox.moe | 21:15 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ok | 21:16 |
| dvbst | https://litter.catbox.moe/8zvwg2.jpg | 21:17 |
| dvbst | so this is what happens when i mash the ctrl+alt+f1 | 21:18 |
| dvbst | when i stop mashing it then the screen clears and i just have a blinking _ | 21:18 |
| rustyaxe | AlexLikeRock: wireless-regdb package | 21:20 |
| AlexLikeRock | thankyou | 21:20 |
| AlexLikeRock | wireless-regdb | 21:21 |
| AlexLikeRock | -su: wireless-regdb: no se encontró la orden rustyaxe | 21:21 |
| fsmithred | I can't get there, either. Do you get the same with ctrl-alt-f2? | 21:21 |
| dvbst | all the ttys | 21:21 |
| dvbst | all of them | 21:22 |
| AlexLikeRock | dvbst, press ENTER | 21:22 |
| dvbst | enter does absolutely nothing | 21:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | im late | 21:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | at this convesation | 21:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | are you by chroot ? dvbst ? | 21:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | if not ! try kill XORG | 21:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | ALT + ImpPt + K | 21:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | or | 21:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | ALT + PetSync + K | 21:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | i wik back | 21:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | i will back | 21:55 |
| rwp | dvbst, Regarding https://litter.catbox.moe/8zvwg2.jpg image, looks good! See the login: prompt? It's sitting there at the login prompt waiting for you to log into the system. | 22:14 |
| rwp | There is also other console messages written to the system console too. | 22:14 |
| rwp | Hit Enter to get a fresh login: prompt. Then log into it. | 22:15 |
| dvbst | yes i cannot do anything with the login prompt, everytime i refresh it, the screen gets filled with those messages again and then the screen clears | 22:15 |
| rwp | I usually use Control-Alt-F2 in order to go to vt2 which has not previously been a console and has not been written to yet. | 22:15 |
| dvbst | the same thing happens | 22:16 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 22:16 |
| rwp | vt2 becomes a console of course once it is switched to the foreground. | 22:16 |
| dvbst | those messages just get written on the other vt and then the screen clears again | 22:16 |
| rwp | So the problem is that these messages are repeating endlessly in a loop obscuring your other stuff on the screen? | 22:16 |
| dvbst | no | 22:17 |
| gnarface | something about this problem vaguely rings a bell about /etc/inittab... | 22:17 |
| gnarface | but the symptoms sound like it could even just be some stuck ctrl key sequence on the keyboard, so i dunno | 22:17 |
| dvbst | i need to smash the keyboard shortcut for anything to be visible | 22:17 |
| dvbst | and the only thing i can see is the tty with messages written on it | 22:18 |
| dvbst | and as soon as i stop mashing the keyboard shortcut then the screen clears and all i get is a blinking _ | 22:18 |
| dvbst | i took the photo with one of my hands holding ctrl+alt and hitting f1 and my other hand with my phone | 22:19 |
| gnarface | yea, that's definitely not supposed to be happening, and something really weird is going on | 22:19 |
| dvbst | i took like 3 pictures and only one had the messages on them, for the other 2 i was too slow | 22:19 |
| gnarface | and i have a feeling if you told us everything, it'd be obvious | 22:19 |
| gnarface | like, how do you even have ofono installed? | 22:19 |
| gnarface | that shouldn't have happened unless this is a phone | 22:20 |
| gnarface | or a phone distro | 22:20 |
| gnarface | is it actually devuan, or is it in fact mobian? | 22:20 |
| gnarface | there's a lot of really mysterious unanswered questions here | 22:20 |
| dvbst | i have no idea, its pretty much a default devuan+runit+lxqt install | 22:20 |
| gnarface | hmm | 22:20 |
| dvbst | i dare you to try it | 22:20 |
| gnarface | heh | 22:20 |
| dvbst | get a chimaera netinstall iso, install runit and lxqt and look what it installs | 22:21 |
| gnarface | well, you don't need ofono if you don't have a modem | 22:21 |
| dvbst | i have no idea what ofono even is | 22:21 |
| gnarface | and you don't need saned if you don't have a scanner | 22:21 |
| gnarface | so you can just straight up uninstall both of those | 22:21 |
| dvbst | i dont have either | 22:21 |
| gnarface | but i realize that isn't addressing the problem yet | 22:21 |
| dvbst | i dont have bluetooth too | 22:22 |
| gnarface | you've mentioned both in your logs previously, did you recently remove them? | 22:22 |
| dvbst | i only removed avahi | 22:22 |
| dvbst | and moved all files with bluetooth in the filename to a different location | 22:22 |
| gnarface | can we look at the contents of your /etc/inittab just to be sure? | 22:23 |
| dvbst | >and i have a feeling if you told us everything, it'd be obvious | 22:23 |
| dvbst | do you want me to record a video of the os booting so you can watch it frame by frame or something? | 22:23 |
| rwp | What is this "keyboard shortcut" that you must smash? I can't guess. | 22:23 |
| dvbst | the keyboard shortcut is ctrl+alt+f1 | 22:24 |
| rwp | You only need to press that once to switch to vt1. | 22:24 |
| gnarface | if you unplug the keyboard at that point, does it stop doing stuff on the screen? | 22:24 |
| dvbst | rwp, yes i know i need to press that once, but if i press it once the screen instantly clears and i see nothing but a blinking _ | 22:25 |
| rwp | Is there a second keyboard plugged in? Is something smashing its keys down? | 22:25 |
| dvbst | if i keep pressing it fast then i can see what you can see on the picture i sent | 22:25 |
| rwp | That's definitely a hardware problem. Definitely not a software problem. The problem is in your machine. | 22:26 |
| dvbst | it really isnt | 22:26 |
| dvbst | please | 22:26 |
| gnarface | yea, i can't be sure about that, but it does really sound like a problem with unwanted keyboard signals getting spammed... seriously, can you humor me and unplug the keyboard to see if it stops? | 22:27 |
| rwp | Well... Since this is not happening for anyone else and is only happening to you and you are the only one able to touch your own system the problem falls upon you to debug it. | 22:27 |
| dvbst | install chimaera+runit in a vm or however you want to, do whats on the guide https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/upgrade-to-daedalus, and then youll see what i mean | 22:27 |
| rwp | Please give gnarface's suggestion a try. It sounds like a stuck keyboard key. | 22:27 |
| dvbst | sure, i will | 22:28 |
| rwp | I installed chimaera+runit a couple of days ago and had no difficulty regarding this point at all. (I did find a different bug though.) | 22:28 |
| dvbst | so what, i boot it without the keyboard? | 22:28 |
| gnarface | nah, just unplug it after it boots | 22:28 |
| dvbst | okay | 22:28 |
| gnarface | see if the screen stops refreshing | 22:28 |
| gnarface | ...or whatever it's doing | 22:28 |
| gnarface | switching to the wrong virtual terminal persistently? | 22:29 |
| gnarface | it's a weird issue, and not one we've heard of before | 22:29 |
| dvbst | okay | 22:30 |
| dvbst | nothing changed | 22:30 |
| gnarface | i'm trying to think of what could even be causing it other than hardware sending unwanted keypresses, and i'm coming up blank | 22:30 |
| dvbst | i booted the computer, put in the encryption password, unplugged the keyboard, the init started, it sent the same messages and its now just a blinking _ as it were before | 22:30 |
| rwp | A second keyboard plugged in with something sitting on the keyboard is the only thing I can imagine causing this problem. | 22:31 |
| gnarface | and just to confirm, this only happens when you boot devuan directly, it's not happening when you boot the live iso? | 22:31 |
| dvbst | the only things currently plugged into that computer are: the power cable into the psu, hdmi cable into the gpu and the ethernet cable into the motherboard | 22:33 |
| dvbst | because i unplugged the keyboard because you told me to | 22:33 |
| gnarface | and just to confirm, this only happens when you boot devuan directly, it's not happening when you boot the live iso? | 22:33 |
| dvbst | devuan live iso? | 22:34 |
| dvbst | do i try booting off of that? | 22:34 |
| dvbst | do you want me to get the chimaera or daedalus | 22:34 |
| gnarface | you mentioned it's not a devaun live iso already, you said it was arch or something... yes, it's worth trying to boot off the devuan live iso too, but that isn't answering my question | 22:34 |
| dvbst | yea the arch iso is fine | 22:35 |
| dvbst | it spits no errors | 22:35 |
| gnarface | well it wouldn't hurt to try the chimaera live iso | 22:35 |
| rwp | Is there a reason not to use daedalus? | 22:35 |
| gnarface | it wouldn't hurt to try the daedalus one either, but if the install itself is chimaera, it makes sense to try the matching release live iso | 22:35 |
| gnarface | just thinking eliminating variables, like some sort of weird kernel issue.... | 22:36 |
| dvbst | i had no problems at all when i was installing it from the chimaera iso | 22:36 |
| dvbst | and the system was all fine for a whole year if not more before upgrading it to daedalus | 22:37 |
| gnarface | oh, that's right, you upgraded it to daedalus, i remembern ow | 22:37 |
| gnarface | *i remember now | 22:37 |
| dvbst | yup | 22:37 |
| gnarface | so yea, try the daedalus live iso then | 22:37 |
| gnarface | shouldn't matter, but we're running out of the obvious stuff | 22:37 |
| gnarface | was it a fresh chimaera install, or had it been upgraded from something else, like ubuntu or debian? | 22:38 |
| dvbst | fresh chimaera | 22:38 |
| dvbst | ok which one do you want me to flash, desktop-live, netinstall, server, desktop or minimal-live | 22:39 |
| gnarface | in the only incident i can find in my vague memories of stuff that might have happened to other people like this, it turned out the user for whatever reason was missing most their normal /etc/inittab contents, so it's worth checking that to make sure it looks like the stock one | 22:39 |
| dvbst | im talking about the daedalus live iso | 22:39 |
| gnarface | try the desktop-live | 22:39 |
| dvbst | sure | 22:39 |
| gnarface | in addition to your /etc/inittab contents, i also want to see the output of "dmesg" right after boot, but i'm not exactly sure how you're gonna get that unless you can ssh in from another machine | 22:46 |
| dvbst | yea this is gonna be impossible | 22:49 |
| dvbst | the dmesg i mean | 22:49 |
| fsmithred | close your eyes when you type | 22:49 |
| fsmithred | meanwhile, I'm going to try to reproduce the console spam problem | 22:50 |
| fsmithred | need to reboot to runit | 22:50 |
| gnarface | it's possible it's some weird bios issue | 22:52 |
| gnarface | dvbst: before you upgraded to daedalus, had you used any packages from other distros or releases, or even backports? | 22:53 |
| dvbst | the only other repo i had added was the one that steam installs but that doesnt change any other packages and thats about all that i had there | 22:56 |
| dvbst | so no, i didnt | 22:56 |
| gnarface | uh... Steam did what now? where did you get your Steam package? you're supposed to use the one from the devuan repos, and last i checked it didn't add its own repos | 22:58 |
| gnarface | if you used that Ubuntu package from their website god only knows what might have happened... | 22:59 |
| dvbst | i never knew its in the devuan repos, i did it the way everybody always does it, which is to get the .deb file from the official steam website and then just apt install ./steam.deb | 23:00 |
| dvbst | its not only for ubuntu | 23:00 |
| gnarface | the recommended way to install Steam on any Debian derivative for at least the past 3 releases has been to get the package from the distro's own repos | 23:01 |
| gnarface | i can't be sure that using that Ubuntu package is what caused this, but i know it broke... something | 23:02 |
| gnarface | (typically only stuff actually within Steam) | 23:02 |
| dvbst | that thing is pretty much its own wizzard, it checks for what it needs, checks what the system is using, then it pulls what it needs with apt, adds its own repos there and from then it just pulls its updates from its repos that it added | 23:02 |
| dvbst | man i can assure you that that deb file is legit and had done nothing to the system itself | 23:03 |
| gnarface | yea, but that part where it adds its own repos then gets non-stock multi-distro stuff packaged by some monkey is where the problems usually arise | 23:03 |
| dvbst | ive been using it since 2022 and never had any problems with it | 23:03 |
| gnarface | they're not always obvious problems | 23:03 |
| gnarface | ...problems with mixing releases or distros in fact often don't arise until you try to upgrade to the next release | 23:03 |
| dvbst | i regret saying too much | 23:03 |
| gnarface | like i said, i can't be sure that's what's causing this, in all honesty it sounds like a long shot, but it's also the first thing you've mentioned that actually makes sense | 23:04 |
| gnarface | the first thing i'd want to do is see exactly which packages it pulled from 3rd party repos | 23:05 |
| dvbst | have you tried installing chimaera with runit and then upgrading it to daedalus at least in a vm? | 23:05 |
| gnarface | no, not yet but fsmithred is trying it now | 23:06 |
| dvbst | welp, i cannot tell you that now, i done that 2 years ago | 23:06 |
| dvbst | and for 2 years ive never had any issues with it | 23:06 |
| gnarface | until you tried to upgrade to a new release... like i said, that fits a known pattern | 23:06 |
| gnarface | can you think of anything else you might have gotten from 3rd party sources? | 23:07 |
| gnarface | or any packages you might have installed from backports? (sometimes backports packages cause similar issues0 | 23:07 |
| gnarface | ) | 23:07 |
| dvbst | 3rd party sources you mean the .deb files right? | 23:08 |
| dvbst | discord | 23:08 |
| gnarface | hmm, yea | 23:08 |
| gnarface | discord would count | 23:09 |
| dvbst | and thats about it | 23:09 |
| dvbst | im ashamed to admit it | 23:09 |
| gnarface | discord doesn't start automatically at boot, does it? | 23:09 |
| dvbst | it doesnt | 23:09 |
| gnarface | how about Steam? | 23:09 |
| dvbst | it doesnt too | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | I've got chimaera live with runit on a usb, and I've got excalibur with runit in a VM. | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | I can't upgrade the chimaera to daedalus - not enough room to do it. | 23:10 |
| gnarface | ugh | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | I did confirm that magic sysrq keys don't do all the right things. | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | I did R - S - U and then it shut down. | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | on a previous boot I tried e (SIGTERM all running processes except init) and it shut down. | 23:12 |
| gnarface | dvbst: which iso did you use to install chimaera initially? | 23:23 |
| dvbst | netinstall | 23:24 |
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