| darwin | what's equivalent to 'upgradepkg --reinstall'? | 01:09 |
|---|---|---|
| rwp | What is the original source of "upgradepkg"? | 01:11 |
| rrq | 'apt-get install --reinstall' perhaps | 01:11 |
| darwin | can I reinstall everything on the CD? | 01:11 |
| rwp | With a for loop on the command line: for pkg in $(dpkg -l | awk '{print$2}'); do apt-get install --reinstall $pkg; done | 01:12 |
| rwp | On Devuan/Debian doing a reinstall of every package is a very unusual action. I don't think I have ever needed to do such an action myself. | 01:12 |
| rwp | It is sometimes desirable to reinstall a package or three though. So usually we just specifically reinstall the ones that need it. | 01:13 |
| paculino | I had to do it twice, after bad migrations and having messed up versions | 01:13 |
| rwp | A reinstall will not change versions. | 01:13 |
| paculino | But it would have been better to select the right ones, I was just lazy | 01:13 |
| rwp | It is more typical to need to purge off packages that are causing trouble with dependencies before a major upgrade and then install those again fresh after the core upgrade has completed. | 01:15 |
| rrq | note that 'dpkg -l' also tells about removed packages... you need to limit to t; '$1=="ii"' lines | 01:15 |
| rwp | That's especially true when people have installed from 3rd party repositories. | 01:15 |
| paculino | And pipe it through tail -n [number of packages installed] first | 01:15 |
| rwp | rrq, Good point! | 01:15 |
| darwin | i accidentally copied some /etc stuff from a PC with GNU/Linux Mint and it now says (as root) 'Error: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: Failed to execute program org.freedesktop.PackageKit: Permission denied' and an apt-listchanges error, so I was just going to reinstall everything | 01:16 |
| paculino | --fix-missing might be helpful too | 01:16 |
| rwp | Which also reminds me to say that packages that are rc removed with config files remaining should be purged off as a cleanup step. | 01:16 |
| rwp | I will give an advertisement here for "etckeeper". If that had been in place you could know exactly what files were mangled and could restore to a previous version easily too. | 01:17 |
| paculino | I also run deborphan to find packages to consider removing | 01:17 |
| rwp | apt-cache show etckeeper | 01:18 |
| darwin | Devuan installation failed. Couldn't install some sort of grub dummy package. What should I do? It didn't boot using UEFI, did it?! | 04:14 |
| amarsh04 | I always feel that apt-cache is the most mis-named package, it always behaves to me as apt-thrash-the-hard-disk | 04:15 |
| gnarface | darwin: this still that sabretooth board? which revision? | 04:32 |
| gnarface | at least on one of the later revisions, UEFI and Secure Boot is an option, which might be on by default unless you disable it or switch to legacy bios mode | 04:33 |
| gnarface | it absolutely does not need it, but you might have to have shut it off ahead of time | 04:34 |
| gnarface | (obviously, using it is an option too but then there's more particular partitioning requirements) | 04:35 |
| gnarface | for grub, i have: | 04:35 |
| gnarface | ii grub 0.97-66 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (dummy package) | 04:35 |
| gnarface | ii grub-common 2.06-13+deb12u1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files) | 04:35 |
| gnarface | ii grub-pc 2.06-13+deb12u1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version) | 04:35 |
| gnarface | ii grub-pc-bin 2.06-13+deb12u1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS modules) | 04:35 |
| gnarface | ii grub2-common 2.06-13+deb12u1 amd64 GRand Unified Bootloader (common files for version 2) | 04:35 |
| gnarface | if you're not sure, it should be possible to at least distinguish between revision 1 and all the others by the count of USB ports | 04:37 |
| rustyaxe | This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! libgcc-s1:i386 gcc-14-base:i386 (due to libgcc-s1:i386) libc6:i386 (due to libgcc-s1:i386) | 04:41 |
| rustyaxe | E: Removing essential system-critical packages is not permitted. This might break the system. | 04:41 |
| rustyaxe | How to force this? wine drug in a bunch of i386 crud | 04:41 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: you sure you have multi-arch enabled? | 04:41 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: if you don't, then it might have actually replaced the amd64 ones with the i386 ones, in which case the proper solution would be to just install the amd64 ones again | 04:42 |
| rustyaxe | dpkg --print-foreign-architectures | 04:43 |
| rustyaxe | i386 | 04:43 |
| gnarface | oh | 04:43 |
| gnarface | well you'd have to remove wine first then to get rid of them | 04:43 |
| rustyaxe | ii libgcc-s1:amd64 14-20240330-1 amd64 GCC support library | 04:43 |
| gnarface | wine does actually need them | 04:43 |
| rustyaxe | ii libgcc-s1:i386 14-20240330-1 i386 GCC support library | 04:43 |
| rustyaxe | yea wines gone | 04:43 |
| rustyaxe | but i apt wont let me remove them | 04:43 |
| gnarface | as long as you only remove i386 packages it should be fine | 04:43 |
| gnarface | you might have to remove them all in one command | 04:44 |
| rustyaxe | dpkg: error processing package libgcc-s1:i386 (--remove): this is a protected package; it should not be removed | 04:44 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 04:44 |
| gnarface | make sure the kernel is still amd64 | 04:44 |
| rustyaxe | Neither dpkg nor apt/apt-get seem to want to let me remove those remnants | 04:44 |
| gnarface | try adding --force | 04:45 |
| rustyaxe | Linux platypus 6.6.15-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.6.15-2 (2024-02-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux | 04:45 |
| gnarface | but put ALL the i386 packages on the same command-line in a big list | 04:45 |
| rustyaxe | --force-all gets it | 04:45 |
| gnarface | to avoid circular dependency issues | 04:45 |
| gnarface | alright good, i hope you checked the REMOVE section carefully | 04:45 |
| gnarface | make sure to reinstall anything you actually needed | 04:46 |
| rustyaxe | dpkg -l |grep ':i386'| awk '{print $2}'|sudo xargs dpkg --force-all -r | 04:46 |
| gnarface | there's no guarantee that there wouldn't have been | 04:46 |
| rustyaxe | and --remove-architecture i386 and we're good | 04:46 |
| gnarface | maybe if you want to run wine but don't want to pollute your rootfs with the cruft you could run it in a chroot | 04:47 |
| rustyaxe | tried --force but it complained | 04:47 |
| rustyaxe | Dont really need wine on there anymore | 04:47 |
| gnarface | ah, Proton rocks, eh? | 04:47 |
| rustyaxe | --force-all got it sorted; i'd rather not use such mess | 04:47 |
| rustyaxe | gnarface: Nah i just went to the DOS program for that radio. it's better anyways | 04:48 |
| gnarface | hah, nice | 04:48 |
| rustyaxe | the DOS program Just Works in dosbox/dosemu with the serial port passed through. WINE you'd get random comm errors, etc while writing to the radio | 04:52 |
| rustyaxe | Now to get wpa_supplicant on it so it can authenticate to the switch and get online to download wpa_supplicant..... | 04:53 |
| darwin | gnarface, no, but I managed to install it now | 04:55 |
| darwin | however, my family wants google-chrome-stable, which I installed .deb but says it depends on fonts-liberation, libu2f-udev which can't be found | 04:55 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: dosbox is so badass | 04:56 |
| gnarface | darwin: those should both be present in current stable | 04:57 |
| darwin | apt-get couldn't find them | 04:57 |
| gnarface | try "apt-get update" first? | 04:58 |
| darwin | i dud | 04:58 |
| darwin | did | 04:58 |
| gnarface | if it's a fresh install it must be your /etc/apt/sources.list | 04:58 |
| gnarface | make sure it looks like this: http://paste.debian.net/1320535/ | 04:59 |
| gnarface | if you didn't configure networking or something like that, it might have put your cdrom in there as a source | 04:59 |
| darwin | something got messed up with that file so I copied it from the Devuan I'm using to that one | 05:02 |
| chozorho | Hey everyone, I hate to bother you, but I am running Devuan and trying to run a local PostgreSQL database. I did the `apt-get install` step but there are no postgres clusters running. Postgres documentation recommends running initdb, which is not installed on my system, and I struggle to understand the syntax for pg_createcluster... | 05:39 |
| chozorho | and this source says I shouldn't even need to call it myself: https://superuser.com/a/525199 | 05:40 |
| chozorho | I figured I should ask here before doing anything too stupid... did I just forget a simple step or install the wrong package? | 05:40 |
| gnarface | chozorho: when in doubt always look at the docs in /usr/share/doc/[package name] and any man pages that came with it too | 05:40 |
| gnarface | i don't have much postgres experience, but it's not uncommon for daemons to ship disabled by default until you change a config somewhere | 05:41 |
| gnarface | often, that config is a debian-only config slug in /etc/default/grub but that's not ubiquitous | 05:41 |
| gnarface | er, sorry meant to paste /etc/default/[package name] there but i blew it | 05:42 |
| gnarface | one thing to check, is make sure it installed a file or files into /etc/init.d/, because lately debian has been deleting them | 05:43 |
| gnarface | if the startup script in /etc/init.d/ is missing, it might be available in the orphan-sysvinit-scripts package, (and if it's not, we'll ping someone about adding it) | 05:44 |
| gnarface | but even before the systemd thing, it also wasn't unheard of for daemons to not ship with the init.d script in place, and instead encouraged you to make your own, or sometimes would include an example one along with the example configs in /usr/share/doc/[package name]/examples | 05:47 |
| chozorho | well... I know that /etc/init.d/postgres exists, and I've been trying to launch it that way, but it seems to not be working (`status` does not even output anything...) | 05:48 |
| chozorho | err sorry, it's /etc/init.d/postgresql | 05:48 |
| gnarface | you're using sysvinit, right? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | or are you using runit or something? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | try running the status thing as root | 05:49 |
| gnarface | something about that rings a bell but it might have been related to a different init | 05:49 |
| chozorho | yea, it's... uhh hang on... what is the official name... I know it's not systemd, but... | 05:49 |
| chozorho | one sec lol | 05:49 |
| gnarface | openrc? | 05:49 |
| gnarface | i think i recall there's also a separate tool with postgres to get status | 05:50 |
| gnarface | it's probably easier to just use that instead, but i seem to recall also that the init status thing not working always turns out to be a really simple snafu | 05:51 |
| gnarface | see if there's a /etc/default/postgres or /etc/default/postgresql or something like that | 05:51 |
| chozorho | ok I think I found it: "SysV init version: 2.96" | 05:51 |
| gnarface | i've literally seen multiple things where it's not documented anywhere else except in a comment in /etc/default/[some file] where you have to change a variable from a 1 to a 0 or some such annoying nonsense | 05:52 |
| chozorho | umm... I don't think there's anything in /etc/default for it... but I'll keep looking | 05:52 |
| gnarface | dpkg -L postgresql? | 05:53 |
| gnarface | any debian-specific changes to the package are usually noted in /usr/share/doc/[package name]/README* | 05:54 |
| gnarface | maybe like README or README.Debian.gz | 05:54 |
| chozorho | well, that outputs a bunch of paths that all stem from "/usr/share/doc/postgresql" | 05:54 |
| chozorho | ohh wait, hmmm | 05:55 |
| gnarface | oh wow, i see a lot of postgresql packages... maybe you're just missing one... | 05:55 |
| chozorho | there is a section in the README about "default clusters and ugprading" | 05:55 |
| chozorho | I didn't even notice that at first | 05:56 |
| chozorho | one sec.... | 05:56 |
| chozorho | also thanks for your help! | 05:56 |
| rrq | I have /usr/lib/postgresql/13/bin/initdb | 05:57 |
| rrq | (actually I have 15 as well) | 05:59 |
| chozorho | whew, thank goodness. I installed postgresql-13, ran the createclusters command with that version specified, and then I was on the right track | 06:11 |
| chozorho | I can log into it with psql now, finally | 06:11 |
| chozorho | ty for the help, seriously | 06:11 |
| peterrooney | It is absolutely stunning how nobody has created usable instructions for fixing sound on linux, despite there being a constant need for it. | 07:12 |
| gnarface | chozorho: no problem, glad you got it figured out | 07:34 |
| gnarface | peterrooney: a solid 50% of the time, the answer is to just uninstall pulseaudio. what's the actual problem you're having? | 07:35 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: I'm running voodoo code, trying things out until they work, with no explanation of why. Offical docs assume you already know everything and just forgot some small detail, Tutorials invariably say 'read the official docs' | 08:01 |
| peterrooney | gnarface: I eventually found a recipie that works for two different audio devices, one of them making itself a useless default, using hda-intel driver. | 08:03 |
| darwin | i installed the firmware packages for amdgpu someone mentioned yesterday... after rebooting, X fonts are too big (had been set big for 4K) and still can't use multiple monitors | 09:10 |
| gnarface | darwin: show me the output of xrandr now that you have drivers | 10:12 |
| darwin | 'xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default. Screen 0: minimum 3840 x 2160, current 3840 x 2160, maximum 3840 x 2160. default connected 3840x2160+0+0 0mm x 0mm. 3840x2160 0.00*.' It should also say screen 1,2 | 10:16 |
| gnarface | it should say a lot more than that | 10:17 |
| gnarface | something is still wrong with it, i wonder if it's a driver issue | 10:17 |
| gnarface | what model of card is that? | 10:17 |
| darwin | ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT | 10:17 |
| gnarface | should definitely work afaik, weird | 10:17 |
| gnarface | this is daedalus, right? | 10:17 |
| darwin | yes | 10:17 |
| darwin | i just found some more instructions I followed and will reboot | 10:18 |
| gour | morning, i'm installing devaun on my spare machine (old netbook) and wonder whether you recommend using root account? if not, i plan to use doas for system-admin work instead of sudo.... | 10:24 |
| rrq | there must be a root user; the question is whether or not it has a login password | 10:25 |
| gour | right | 10:26 |
| rrq | I have root a password on all machines | 10:27 |
| gour | ok | 10:28 |
| rrq | but I don't have machines servicing lots of users | 10:28 |
| gour | here i'm the only user with account. other family users are just using computer via my account :-) | 10:29 |
| rrq | so no particular value in not having root password... I tend to use sudo anyhow | 10:30 |
| rrq | or ssh | 10:31 |
| rrq | I'm not yet old enough to start protecting against myself .. getting there soon maybe :) | 10:32 |
| gour | lol | 10:38 |
| rrq | (just the other day I had my home directory bind-mounted into a chroot and got it duly cleaned up when I wanted to delete the chroot) | 10:40 |
| djph | oops? | 10:41 |
| djph | rrq: that's one way to test backups | 10:41 |
| onefang | lol | 10:42 |
| rrq | yes... though the ssh keys had gone too;... luckily I rememebred the root password | 10:42 |
| rrq | on the backup host | 10:43 |
| darwin | the other instructions (on debian.org about display/video/graphics card firmware) worked | 11:17 |
| gour | 5.0 stable install on my netbook failed to install grub (uefi), but i was able to solve the issue via rescue-mode where re-installing grub went fine | 11:27 |
| * gour was using devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_desktop image | 11:27 | |
| gour | in which case i'd want/need to replace slim with lightdm? | 11:42 |
| darwin | after I installed firmware-amd-graphics (as instructions on wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo ) and rebooted a Devuan PC with Radeon RX Vega 64, I just get blank screen (after text, no GUI) | 12:31 |
| atlas1 | Is it normal behavior for Debian to enter as root -->#sudo -s wg-quick up wg0 ,instead of #wg-quick up wg0 ? I got wireguard to work, just need to remember the sudo -s for everything. I thought as root you didnt need to type sudo | 13:53 |
| gnarface | darwin: any relevant errors in the xorg log? | 13:53 |
| gnarface | atlas1: do you get permission denied or command not found? | 13:54 |
| atlas1 | Yes /usr/bin/wg-quick: line 32: sysctl: command not found | 13:55 |
| atlas1 | but I just need to remember sudo -s first | 13:55 |
| gnarface | my guess is actually you just need to put /sbin and /usr/sbin back into ENV_SUPATH in /etc/login.defs | 13:57 |
| atlas1 | okay | 13:57 |
| atlas1 | its there ENV_SUPATH PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 13:58 |
| gnarface | hmm, odd | 13:58 |
| rrq | atlas1: check with echo $PATH | 13:59 |
| atlas1 | # /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games | 14:00 |
| atlas1 | is games supposed to be there? | 14:00 |
| gnarface | you sure you're actually root? | 14:01 |
| rrq | it suggests that you used "su" to become root, rather than "su -" | 14:01 |
| atlas1 | root@fastrescueboat:/etc/default# echo $PATH | 14:01 |
| rrq | the latter will "log in as root" whereas the formere merely doe setuid | 14:01 |
| rrq | the difference is whether you get root's PATH setting or not | 14:02 |
| atlas1 | I did--> su root and have a # | 14:02 |
| gnarface | oh, my bad yea, you need "su -" not just "su" now | 14:02 |
| gnarface | forgot to mention that | 14:02 |
| atlas1 | hmm okay | 14:02 |
| rrq | debian changed to use a different implementaiton of su | 14:03 |
| rrq | some years ago | 14:03 |
| atlas1 | su - now shows -->/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 14:03 |
| rrq | the previous one gave root's PATH regardless | 14:03 |
| atlas1 | I guess I'll have to read up, thanks | 14:04 |
| rrq | this issue has caught many people who previously learnt to use "su" | 14:05 |
| rrq | some years before that change, was the change where "normal users" got a different PATH from root | 14:07 |
| schillingklaus | some creeps try to force others to sudo instead of su | 14:09 |
| gnarface | atlas1: and yes, games is supposed to be there if you installed any of them | 14:11 |
| gnarface | i think it will actually not put it there if you don't install any | 14:12 |
| rrq | "it"? :) | 14:13 |
| gnarface | games | 14:13 |
| * rrq was actually pondering about the agency :) | 14:13 | |
| atlas1 | hmm so far I dont remember installing any games, thanks for your help though, I can get wireguard working the way I want now. | 14:14 |
| gnarface | some things are in games that you wouldn't think of as games, like the fortune binary | 14:15 |
| atlas1 | there is a something called fifteen puzzle, if I search in taskbar "games" I install kde desktop, so maybe that is is | 14:15 |
| gnarface | hmm, yea kde might have come with some games too | 14:16 |
| gnarface | basically look at the package headers for anything with the "Section: games" tag | 14:18 |
| atlas1 | my kungfoo sucks, apt list --installed | grep games shows nothing | 14:24 |
| rrq | try: dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Section}\n' | grep games | 14:30 |
| rrq | though I think /etc/profile puts "games" into PATH without reason | 14:31 |
| rrq | (other than "not being root") | 14:31 |
| atlas1 | ah, it returns nothing, no worries | 14:32 |
| atlas1 | fund this on askubuntu it shows a couple things, dpkg-query -W -f='${PackageSpec}\t${version}\t${Description}\n' | grep games | 14:38 |
| fonky | hi all | 21:48 |
| fonky | hi, are there any that bare semblance 2 winamp, besides audacious and xmms? | 21:49 |
| fonky | audacious sadly has pulseaudio dependancy and xmms isnt in the main repos | 21:50 |
| fonky | ty in advance | 21:51 |
| fonky | there is also qmmp but sadly it needs some pipewire files | 21:53 |
| fonky | i would prefer having only alsa | 21:53 |
| rwp | fonky, There are many clients that work with mpd and I know mpd works with just alsa. Might look there. | 22:13 |
| rwp | I don't use a GUI music player client. I mostly use "mpv" (mplayer fork) on the command line. For me "mpv --playlist acidrockplaylist.m3u" is just fine. | 22:14 |
| fsmithred | audacious works fine without pulseaudio. | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | maybe you need to install without Recommends | 22:23 |
| fonky | i adore audacious because i can fiddle with the equaliser | 22:23 |
| fonky | nono | 22:23 |
| fonky | i put there --no-install-recommends | 22:23 |
| fonky | odd, when i uninstalled libpulse it removed audacious aswell | 22:25 |
| fonky | now im not getting it under additional install | 22:25 |
| fonky | sorry all for being a pest | 22:26 |
| rwp | I will hint that using apt-get install -s and apt-get purge -s will show what it will do without doing it (simulate) and that plus dorking with options will preview the action allowing it to be tuned to exactly what you want before doing it for real. | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | libpulse does nothing if pulseaudio is not installed | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | you can leave it | 22:30 |
| fonky | :) | 22:30 |
| rwp | As fsmithred notes there are some things we compromise on in order to not have to fork and recompile everything. Some libraries get installed and we don't use them. We let them be installed, it's just a little disk space, and we otherwise ignore that they are there. They don't hurt anything. libpulse, libsystemd, they don't do anything just sitting there without their other components also installed. | 22:31 |
| fonky | https://pastebin.com/FeL60hcD | 22:32 |
| fonky | dont get me wrong, what the devuan team has done is nothing short of praise :) | 22:33 |
| rwp | I have libpulse0 installed. I am not using pulse-audio though. | 22:33 |
| fonky | when removing libpulse the whole under "Sound and Video" gets purged :) | 22:35 |
| AlexLikeRock | yeah, some times, work more fine mpv thant mplayer at GUI : fonky | 22:35 |
| fonky | i have winamp skins from 1990ies | 22:35 |
| fonky | i was a winamp addict | 22:36 |
| AlexLikeRock | cool | 22:36 |
| AlexLikeRock | me too , | 22:36 |
| fonky | well at least until version 2.95 | 22:36 |
| AlexLikeRock | playes like WINAMP , i find, qmmp , audacious, XMMS | 22:36 |
| fonky | xmms has version 2 also | 22:36 |
| AlexLikeRock | looks like winamp | 22:36 |
| fonky | or at least i think so | 22:37 |
| fonky | xmms2 | 22:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | no, vertion #1 | 22:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | you must , install old repositories to complete the instalation | 22:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | they need gtk ver:1 | 22:37 |
| fonky | oh :) | 22:37 |
| fonky | sometimes i wish i had all the .deb files on my hard drive | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | there's a setting for that | 22:38 |
| fsmithred | well, not all of the repo, but it can keep the ones that are installed | 22:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | xmms2 its a BAD fork | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | it's also possible to copy the installer isos to your hard drive and use them for installing packages. | 22:39 |
| fonky | i still have red hat cd from 202 | 22:40 |
| fonky | 2002 | 22:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | its Noting about it | 22:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | jesus christ !! | 22:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | its dead ! | 22:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://www.xmms.org/ | 22:40 |
| rwp | I hate to break it to you but xmms has been dead for a while. IIRC it is a GTK2 only and has been abandoned. Though there are some users in the channel that are still keeping it alive for their own personal use. | 22:43 |
| fonky | :\ | 22:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | xmms its alive at old repositories | 22:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | Package: xmms | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 1:1.2.10+20061101-1etch1 (main) [etch, etch-m68k] | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 1.2.10+cvs20050209-2sarge1 (main) [sarge] | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 1.2.7-1 (main) [woody] | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 1.0.1-2 (main) [potato] | 22:44 |
| fonky | debian 6 repositories and prior? | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 22:44 | |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, just add repositorioes "etch" | 22:44 |
| fonky | may i ask one silly question, i have not done any research but why was console-kit dropped in favour of elogind | 22:45 |
| rwp | If you are going to run the old xmms it might be a good idea to bag it up in a container. Otherwise the libraries and such that it needs will become obstacles to later upgrades. | 22:45 |
| rwp | systemd-logind is part of systemd and like the arcade pacman is gobbling up the universe. elogind is an attempt to be compatible so that software won't need to be rebuilt. | 22:47 |
| fonky | red hat --force push? | 22:47 |
| fonky | was statd in the distro anytime? | 22:51 |
| fonky | is that a tick | 22:51 |
| fonky | and not rstat | 22:55 |
| phogg | xmms was also easy to compile last I checked, so if you follow the simple backport routine it ought to work (so long as gtk1 is available). For a no-install winamp experience there is also https://webamp.org -- it's open source and you can run it locally https://github.com/captbaritone/webamp | 23:10 |
| phogg | but what I use is xmms2 + promoe, which has the classic winamp2 look and feel (and skin support) | 23:12 |
| AlexLikeRock | promoe ???? phogg | 23:18 |
| AlexLikeRock | source ? | 23:18 |
| phogg | it was available in ascii... might have dropped out since then | 23:19 |
| phogg | at any rate upstream is https://github.com/xmms2/promoe | 23:20 |
| AlexLikeRock | its pretty hard to make work XMMS2 | 23:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | its BACKGROUND SERVER ! | 23:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | like APACHE !!! | 23:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | dam!! | 23:29 |
| phogg | AlexLikeRock: yes, that's the point of xmms2. It is an improvement on xmms1 by splitting the media playing and playlist management pieces out into a daemon, much like mpd, and then allowing clients to look like anything | 23:32 |
| phogg | if you want to go xmms1 -> xmms2 and have the same experience you also need a client GUI that looks the same, and promoe is that client | 23:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | its not the same , when not have a GUI | 23:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | well , promow its bad client , when finish the track , they quit | 23:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | not play .M4A | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | i cant drop over | 23:44 |
| buZz | xmms2 is just a poor attempt at beating mpd ;) | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | i can open with double click | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | well, xmms its old , | 23:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | its the fact ! | 23:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | like 2000's | 23:45 |
| buZz | audacious is the 'more modern xmms replacement' | 23:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | mpd its like 2010 | 23:46 |
| buZz | but mpd does m4a just fine ;) | 23:46 |
| buZz | and .opus | 23:46 |
| buZz | etc | 23:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, but i don now , why love more XMMS1 thath audacious | 23:46 |
| buZz | i dont know why | 23:46 |
| buZz | you could run winamp.exe in wine aswell, if you really want to ;) | 23:46 |
| debdog | becaue mocp is much better (/me pours oil on the fire) | 23:46 |
| buZz | i like opencubicplayer too | 23:47 |
| onefang | I use VLC for playing media. | 23:47 |
| buZz | but requires X :) | 23:47 |
| buZz | well, cvlc doesnt i guess | 23:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes,!!! | 23:48 |
| buZz | 'mp3blaster' was a favorite aswell for a long time | 23:48 |
| buZz | on cli | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | winamp at WINE run so fine , at this days | 23:48 |
| onefang | You could script the VLC UI in Lua if you really want. lol | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | work , like 90 | 23:48 |
| buZz | onefang: hehe, probably | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | work , like 95% good | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | its the best option | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | i can open AVS | 23:48 |
| buZz | thats cool | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | that RULES ! | 23:48 |
| buZz | someone did port milkdrop to a general audio plugin | 23:49 |
| buZz | its called projectM , i think its in debian too | 23:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | AVS = Advance Visualitation System | 23:49 |
| buZz | i know it | 23:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | sorry | 23:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | Advanced Visualization Studio. | 23:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes i usea every day ProjectM | 23:49 |
| buZz | :) | 23:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, work good | 23:50 |
| buZz | i started moving to computers that cant do such fancy stuff | 23:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | but AVS its better :-P | 23:50 |
| buZz | to be more productive | 23:50 |
| buZz | cant play youtube videos etc | 23:50 |
| buZz | its great | 23:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | yeah , mplayer , VLC play youtube | 23:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | download videos with : youtube-dl | 23:51 |
| buZz | ytdlp nowadays, i think | 23:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes | 23:52 |
| phogg | AlexLikeRock: it only stops after playing a track if that's how you configured it. That's a function of xmms2, not any client for it. | 23:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | youtubedl-gui = now ghrapic interface | 23:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | come on !!! phogg ; must work fine | 23:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | xmms2 suck ! | 23:53 |
| gnarface | fonky: uh... afaik audacious does not have a pulseaudio dependency... make sure to use "--no-install-recommends" when you install it | 23:54 |
| phogg | xmms2 is the best; I like it much more than mpd. Any player not split into a client/server model is just not as good, so there aren't many alternatives. | 23:54 |
| gnarface | vlc and audacious both work withotu pulseaudio on current stable | 23:54 |
| gnarface | alsa might not, but it's just the usual case of shipping useless defaults | 23:55 |
| gnarface | a simple config file usually fixes it | 23:55 |
| gnarface | sorry, maybe that has already been covered, i didn't read the whole scrollback | 23:56 |
| fonky | i did so, but libpulse0 persists | 23:57 |
| fonky | thanks for the reply | 23:57 |
| fonky | also forgot 2 scroll,as this silly client does not autoscroll | 23:57 |
| buZz | gnarface: so it works on pipewire by default? | 23:57 |
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