| dev-odessa | is it possible to boot devuan to ram? | 03:38 |
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| AlexLikeRock | yes | 03:39 |
| dev-odessa | what image has this option ? | 03:41 |
| fonky | hi all | 08:57 |
| fonky | https://pastebin.com/BXNW378y | 08:59 |
| fonky | installed from daedalus iso-dvd | 09:00 |
| fonky | tried -t ceres dist-upgrade | 09:00 |
| fonky | i also have all 3 stable repos for daedalus in sources.list | 09:01 |
| brocashelm | did you install usrmerge? | 09:07 |
| brocashelm | see this announcement: https://www.devuan.org/os/announce/excalibur-usrmerge-announce-2024-02-20.html | 09:09 |
| fonky | oh, no, not yet | 09:12 |
| fonky | ty for the info | 09:13 |
| brocashelm | np | 09:15 |
| al1r4d | hello | 17:08 |
| al1r4d | ufw vs iptable, which is better? | 17:08 |
| djph | it's all netfilter on the backend... | 17:10 |
| djph | UFW seems okay-ish; but *seems* to be a little simplistic | 17:11 |
| Xenguy | Isn't ufw a specific instance built with iptables? | 17:11 |
| djph | basically | 17:11 |
| Xenguy | ufw is fine for simple use cases I think (like mine ; -) | 17:12 |
| golinux | Simple is good at least in my world | 17:20 |
| AlexLikeRock | sop | 21:23 |
| AlexLikeRock | good day guys | 21:23 |
| AlexLikeRock | i not found : /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 21:51 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: this config file is now optional | 21:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | whats configuration used , my "LIVE DEVUAN " ? | 21:56 |
| AlexLikeRock | thats new , for me /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 21:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | thats new , for me | 21:57 |
| gnarface | by default xorg now relies on auto-detect | 21:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | "optional " | 21:57 |
| gnarface | you can still provide xorg.conf in whole or in part, if you don't like auto-detect | 21:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | nice , | 21:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | but how to check out what firmaware are using ? | 21:58 |
| gnarface | there should still be Xorg.0.log but most drivers have now switched to user mode instead of suid root, so the default log location for those has moved from /var/log/ to ~/.local/share/xorg/ | 21:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, sounds good | 22:09 |
| AlexLikeRock | where its my cat ? | 22:09 |
| AlexLikeRock | another question | 22:10 |
| AlexLikeRock | how to make to drop out , this current profile to xorg.conf file ? | 22:11 |
| AlexLikeRock | like backup | 22:14 |
| AlexLikeRock | let me take a look , if work fine the other devuan , init 6 | 22:17 |
| gnarface | you want to turn the auto-detected profile into a xorg.conf automatically? i'm not sure, though i recall there was some way like "X -configure [outfile]" or something like that | 22:26 |
| gnarface | i'm having trouble finding a reference to it | 22:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | cat .dmrc | 22:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | [Desktop] | 22:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | Session=mate | 22:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | Language=es_MX.utf8 | 22:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes , -o | 22:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | halt | 22:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | HELLOW | 23:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | its me | 23:17 |
| gnarface | yo, figure out what you were trying to do? | 23:18 |
| AlexLikeRock | the OLD devuan , startx whit root , but not andware keyboard and mouse | 23:18 |
| AlexLikeRock | the Xorg start fine , thanks god | 23:18 |
| gnarface | the new one doesn't work? if you compare the xorg logs it might give you a clue | 23:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | the new one, this it is ! | 23:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, upload X.log | 23:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | dam ! | 23:20 |
| gnarface | paste.debian.net | 23:20 |
| AlexLikeRock | thanks | 23:23 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/1320288/ | 23:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 23:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | need reinstall somting ? | 23:26 |
| gnarface | hard to say, do you have that file? | 23:27 |
| gnarface | are you missing dbus maybe? | 23:27 |
| gnarface | you need dbus now, though i think fsmithred has a custom image somewhere with special builds to avoid it.. | 23:28 |
| gnarface | also, it looks like you're using the nouveau drivers instead of the nvidia official ones, which is usually a problem too | 23:28 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: note that the nvidia official drivers (and all the other non-free drivers and firmware packages) moved from "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" as of current stable | 23:34 |
| fsmithred | I don't have a current no-dbus iso for download, but I've been using an excalibur/ceres no-dbus iso in qemu occasionally. It works. No display manager, Use startx to start a window manager. You need seatd installed. | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | ...to do what I'm doing. | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2158 <- discussion about running without dbus. You just need to be selective about what you install. | 23:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | fsmithred, they are run fine the GRAPHICS my OLD DEVUAN | 23:38 |
| AlexLikeRock | the only problem now its the the driver "keyboard" KYB at X11 | 23:38 |
| AlexLikeRock | officia drivers i will run late | 23:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | now , i need recover my odl devuan | 23:39 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: did you remember to put yourself into the "input" group on the new system? if the old system is still using nvidia drivers you wouldn't have to, since you only need that in user mode not suid root mode | 23:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | no | 23:40 |
| gnarface | you'll want to be in the video group too | 23:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | old = nouveau driver | 23:40 |
| gnarface | oh, hmm. | 23:40 |
| gnarface | never had a problem with the keyboard showing up, but sometimes i've had problems where it picks the wrong device as the default keyboard | 23:41 |
| gnarface | xorg auto-detect just picks the first one it finds unless you specifically select one in the xorg.conf, and sometimes it might mistakenly pick up a gaming mouse instead | 23:42 |
| gnarface | (roccat mice and steam controllers for example both show up as both a keyboard and a mouse, and sometimes they'll preempt the real keyboard in auto-detect mode) | 23:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | i had this problem some 5 years ago | 23:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | but i dont remembar | 23:43 |
| gnarface | if it's a very new keyboard and a very old kernel maybe the driver is really missing, but with keyboards that's so rarely been an issue for me... | 23:43 |
| gnarface | actually maybe never, but other usb devices i've definitely seen missing drivers before | 23:43 |
| gnarface | if that's the case, you should be able to tell by the dmesg entries that appear after plugging it in | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | nop. its new kernel : | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 6.10 | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | this | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | 6.1 | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | its the same , i copy manual to old devuan | 23:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | let me upload dmesg | 23:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/1320288/ line : 52 and 53 | 23:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 168.706] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. | 23:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 168.706] (WW) Disabling Mouse0 | 23:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 168.706] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0 | 23:46 |
| gnarface | that doesn't look like dmesg output,t hat looks like it's still xorg output.... | 23:47 |
| gnarface | that's weird | 23:47 |
| gnarface | clearly says it's disabling them though... | 23:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | its xorg log | 23:47 |
| gnarface | oh, i thought you said you were gonna upload the dmesg | 23:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes | 23:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, but , wait | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | wait | 23:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | why are disabling ?? | 23:48 |
| gnarface | good question | 23:48 |
| gnarface | unplug the keyboard, then run dmesg, then plug it back in and run dmesg again, and just paste the new lines that appeared | 23:48 |
| gnarface | let's double check your kernel even recognizes the device first | 23:49 |
| gnarface | actually, my xorg log says the same thing, so that's not the problem here | 23:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | dmesg http://paste.debian.net/1320291/ | 23:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | its a LAPTOP, i cant do this acction | 23:50 |
| gnarface | oy vey | 23:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | line 774 | 23:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 20.551691] input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/input21 | 23:51 |
| gnarface | huh, looks like it's actually a AT keyboard not USB anyway? | 23:52 |
| gnarface | look also at line 411, i think that's what that means anyway | 23:52 |
| gnarface | is it possible you're just missing libinput or libevdev2 or something like that? | 23:53 |
| gnarface | make sure you have these packages: libinput10 libinput-bin libevdev2 | 23:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes | 23:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 0.850664] input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0 | 23:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, searching at forums ... | 23:56 |
| gnarface | oh, make sure you have this one too: xserver-xorg-input-libinput | 23:57 |
| gnarface | and also this one: xserver-xorg-input-evdev | 23:57 |
| gnarface | and just to be sure, also xserver-xorg-input-kbd and xserver-xorg-input-mouse just in case, though probably not being used anymore from what we're seeing | 23:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | aptitude install libinput-dev xserver-xorg-input-libinput libinput-bin | 23:58 |
| gnarface | they don't take up much space so they shouldn't matter much | 23:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | xserver-xorg-input-libinput ya está instalado en la versión solicitada (0.30.0-1) | 23:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | its all ready isntall it | 23:59 |
| gnarface | hmm, this is current devaun daedalus? i've got version 1.2.1-1+b1 for that | 23:59 |
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