| eyalroz | Are you guys aware of the Chromium adblock disablement workaround thingie? | 00:42 |
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| eyalroz | https://gist.github.com/velzie/053ffedeaecea1a801a2769ab86ab376 | 00:42 |
| eyalroz | will that be baked in to Devuan (or Debian) by default? | 00:42 |
| schillingklaus | I only know that chromium is one big mess, as is everything by google | 00:44 |
| eyalroz | schillingklaus: You know Firefox is effectively kind of by-Google too, though... if you think of their income | 00:50 |
| golinux | eyalroz: Only if Debian "bakes it in". | 01:05 |
| eyalroz | golinux: So... I guess I should write the chromium package maintainer then? | 01:05 |
| Xenguy | eyalroz, Probably, but why use Google products in the first place if there are better alternatives? | 01:11 |
| Xenguy | e.g. I've been using Brave lately, and quite like it (turned the crypto stuff off though) | 01:12 |
| Xenguy | It's a chrome'ish browser that rates highly for privacy according to EFF | 01:13 |
| Xenguy | Also ads are blocked by default (IIRC) and search is built-in; worth a look | 01:13 |
| eyalroz | Xenguy: Often, you're on a system which you don't control. Or you could control, but you're only on it for a half-hour and will not start installing a bunch of software. Plus, I don't use Chromium much, but many people do use either that or actual Chrome, including many Linux users. | 01:15 |
| eyalroz | I'll have a look at Brave, but it's still basically the same thing, isn't it? | 01:16 |
| Xenguy | Yes and no | 01:16 |
| Xenguy | Same web framework, but much better privacy for example | 01:17 |
| Xenguy | TLDR: De-googled Chrome? | 01:17 |
| Xenguy | Turn the crypto-shite off, unless you like that stuff | 01:17 |
| Xenguy | You can use apt-get to install it and maintain it too, which I thought was well done | 01:18 |
| ted-ious | Isn't brave closed source? | 02:27 |
| rrq | doesn't seem available in devuan repo(s); I guess Xenguy is musing about some personal excursion rather | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | ted-ious, citations please | 02:39 |
| Xenguy | rrq, 3rd-party repo | 02:40 |
| rrq | who's is it? | 02:40 |
| Xenguy | Are you going for the homophobic angle, or ...? | 02:48 |
| Xenguy | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser) | 02:49 |
| Xenguy | That's pretty much all I know | 02:49 |
| Xenguy | works for me | 02:49 |
| rrq | no, I just wondered whether it was by some person I want to trust running as root on my computer | 02:49 |
| Xenguy | Just a suggestion, I'm not here to argue for it particularly | 02:50 |
| Xenguy | Every browser you care to run is probably root on your computer it seems to me; is Google Chrome safer somehow? | 02:50 |
| rrq | well, it's the installation that runs as root; not the browser itself | 02:51 |
| Xenguy | Point stands I think: do you want Google to run your installation, or someone else | 02:51 |
| gnarface | note that Chromium and Chrome are not the same thing; Chromium is supposed to be the de-Googled Chrome | 02:52 |
| Xenguy | I personally try to distance myself from Google-not-my-friend | 02:52 |
| rrq | no I don't use chrome for that reason | 02:52 |
| Xenguy | I'm unclear about Chromium; I've read that there are many Google folks involved, but I don't really know the extent of the taint, if you will | 02:53 |
| Xenguy | I basically run Brave instead of Chromium | 02:53 |
| gnarface | i dunno, i just think it should have to be packaged as chromium-browser so that the current chromium-bsu could stay packaged as chromium | 02:54 |
| Xenguy | There is also some de-googled Chrome/Chromium but I have not investigated that so far | 02:54 |
| gnarface | it was first, after all, so i don't think it's fair | 02:54 |
| rrq | in any case I think the official Devuan stance is to not use 3rd party repos's; certainly not if you are not sure about who is behind it since it means letting them run scripts as root. | 03:03 |
| rrq | otoh anyone may of course do whatever they want with their own systems | 03:05 |
| ted-ious | Xenguy: I have to provide a citation to ask a question? | 03:05 |
| Xenguy | ted-ious, I assumed it was an assertion. Why ask me? Look it up. | 03:06 |
| ted-ious | I didn't ask you. | 03:06 |
| Xenguy | <ted-ious> Isn't brave closed source? | 03:06 |
| Xenguy | You asked everyone? | 03:07 |
| ted-ious | Do you see your name anywhere in that line? | 03:07 |
| Xenguy | You asked and you got my answer. As usual, you are ted-ious | 03:07 |
| Xenguy | Go away and read up on it | 03:07 |
| ted-ious | I do pride myself on being consistent. :) | 03:08 |
| Xenguy | Annoyingly so, yes | 03:08 |
| spOOn19 | Hello, does anyone use the puppetserver package in daedalus? | 05:51 |
| spOOn19 | it appears like there is no sysvinit script, and only includes the systemd unit file | 05:52 |
| spOOn19 | would anyone have a sysvinit script they could share? | 05:55 |
| gnarface | spOOn19: stick around, someone might. i don't, but did you check in /usr/share/doc/puppetserver? | 06:22 |
| spOOn19 | gnarface thanks, will do | 06:31 |
| spOOn19 | yes, I did check the doc | 06:31 |
| gnarface | like i said, i don't use it, but sometimes things leave example init scripts in the doc directory | 06:33 |
| gnarface | if it had been removed at some point, there is a package of orphaned init scripts around here somewhere that might have it... | 06:34 |
| spOOn19 | ooOOOoooo that'd be useful | 06:55 |
| gnarface | spOOn19: found it! https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=orphan-sysvinit-scripts&x=submit | 07:55 |
| rrq | it looks like puppetserver comes from puppetmaster via puppet-master and the latest init script seems to be in puppet-master=5.5.22-2 (chimaera) | 08:07 |
| rrq | http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/p/puppet/puppet-master_5.5.22-2_all.deb | 08:08 |
| rrq | at a guess that would work with a light touchup wrt names of things | 08:10 |
| * rrq caveat: I don;t use it and know nothing about it | 08:13 | |
| spOOn19 | thanks to both rrq and gnarface | 08:18 |
| gordonDrogon | On the earlier chrome chats; I decided this year to reduce my google usage and removed chrome and installed a plugin to firefox to not load google fonts. Firefox has adblock+, ghostery, privacy badger and ublock installed. | 09:10 |
| gordonDrogon | for a while when youtube really started to push adverts it seemed a bit of a daily struggle, but for the past 2 months or so, the adblockers have kept up. | 09:10 |
| gordonDrogon | and I don't think my web browsing experience has suffered. DDG is my search engine. (and browser on android phone0 | 09:11 |
| gordonDrogon | the lack of google fonts is sometimes annoying as I get blobs rather than small icons for some dialogues. | 09:11 |
| gordonDrogon | yet another smart move on googles part to "helpfully" provide all these for free while sneakilly tracking you more and more. | 09:12 |
| amarsh04 | I'm on Ceres and noticed that plasma desktop apps open at logout and restored on login - does one have to use sddm as desktop manager for this to work now? | 13:00 |
| gordonDrogon | well - quite happy with new laptop - gotten all my old settings setup on it. power saving stuff seems to just work too and it even hibernates when the lid is closed. | 15:06 |
| gordonDrogon | and it comes out of hibernation automatically when the lid is opened. not sure I want that but it's workable. | 15:06 |
| gordonDrogon | spoke too soon. no audio except some weird clicking rather than a beep. | 15:12 |
| gordonDrogon | aand relax. fixed it. | 15:40 |
| gordonDrogon | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet snd_hda_intel.dmic_detect=0" | 15:40 |
| gordonDrogon | well that's that. laptop works just fine. one BIG issue though - the ethernet socket is on the wrong side. I'll need a longer bit of wire! | 17:02 |
| gnarface | tragic. | 17:03 |
| gordonDrogon | :) | 17:12 |
| gordonDrogon | of-course I'm just amazed at this thing, but it's the first new laptop I've had for 10 years and it was 2nd hand when I got it back then. | 17:13 |
| gordonDrogon | for £350 I don't think i've been robbed. | 17:13 |
| gnarface | time to play some quake! | 17:14 |
| gordonDrogon | actually, I was going to try minecraft... | 17:14 |
| gordonDrogon | I've never played quake. | 17:15 |
| gnarface | the quake engine is actually in the repos, just minus the retail maps | 17:15 |
| gordonDrogon | I have a Doom II cd somewhere.. | 17:15 |
| gnarface | i think the "minetest" release of minecraft should still work though, but not sure where you need to get it | 17:15 |
| gnarface | oh, huh, it's in the repos too | 17:16 |
| gnarface | that's what i get for not paying enough attention | 17:16 |
| gnarface | never tried it myself, but it should work fine as long as you got the right video drivers and mesa packages | 17:17 |
| gnarface | that laptop had intel graphics, right? not nvidia? | 17:17 |
| gordonDrogon | minecrafts pertty dumb. | 17:17 |
| gnarface | oh, you weren't serious? | 17:18 |
| gordonDrogon | yes, intel - I really wanted to avoid amd cpus & anything other than intel gfx - but maybe times have changed | 17:18 |
| gordonDrogon | I meant minecrafts pretty dumb in its graphics requirements. | 17:18 |
| gordonDrogon | I play mc a lot when bored. | 17:19 |
| gnarface | oh, i see | 17:36 |
| gnarface | yea though, intel gfx means you just need mesa packages | 17:36 |
| gnarface | there's a boat load of them and many are optional, depending on the software you're using | 17:36 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what minetest actually needs, but i think the risk is probably more that it might work so well that you won't realize it if you're not actually getting optimal hardware acceleration due to some missing mesa packages | 17:37 |
| gordonDrogon | it's not that important when I'm out & about on the laptop though. desktop is fine :) | 17:38 |
| gnarface | i think i recall that you had checked and you had the important ones that usually get left out already anyway | 17:38 |
| gordonDrogon | hm. display is supposed to be 1920x1080 but the settings thing says it's max 1366x768 | 17:44 |
| gnarface | after all these years, auto-detect is still garbage. that's why i almost always still type out a full xorg.conf to be extra specific about everything | 17:46 |
| gnarface | resolutions especially | 17:46 |
| gnarface | also multi-monitor stuff | 17:47 |
| gordonDrogon | had good success using arandr for multi screen stuff in the past. | 17:47 |
| gnarface | window manager specific tools vary in their ability to change this stuff after the GUI is launched, but there's actually no need to rely on them with intel drivers; you can specify randr settings in xorg.conf too | 17:47 |
| gordonDrogon | wonder how to find out the real hardware size though - don't want to muck it up too much. | 17:48 |
| gordonDrogon | xdpyinfo still says 1366x768 | 17:48 |
| gnarface | actually basically everyone but nvidia's drivers support parsing randr settings in xorg.conf very well. nvidia has some .... stripped down features that only supports a subset of the valid commands | 17:48 |
| gnarface | what does the output of "xrandr" say while you're in the gui? | 17:48 |
| gordonDrogon | gives the same list as the display manager gui - starts at 1366x768 | 17:49 |
| gnarface | since you're using intel hardware and defaulting to the kernel modesetting drivers, the misdetect might originate as early in the startup as grub's auto-detect | 17:49 |
| gordonDrogon | but says it's capable of 16K x 16K ... | 17:50 |
| gnarface | yea, i would try actually passing 1920x1080 in from the grub config, so the system console starts at the right res before the gui even comes up, that might do the trick here | 17:50 |
| gordonDrogon | ok 0- hang on. | 17:51 |
| gnarface | (changing to the intel xorg driver from the modesetting one might also do the trick but everyone keeps saying the modesetting one is better so ymmv) | 17:51 |
| gnarface | you should be able to set in /etc/default/grub | 17:52 |
| gnarface | brb | 17:54 |
| gordonDrogon | aye. changed it there, rebooted and same. weird. | 17:56 |
| gordonDrogon | videoinfo grub command tells me it's 1366x768 too. hmph. | 17:58 |
| gordonDrogon | and bios says 1366x768 too, so I was conned! | 18:01 |
| gnarface | gordonDrogon: maybe 1920x1080 with software scaling? or maybe only for the external monitor or something? | 18:11 |
| gnarface | what does vbeinfo say? | 18:11 |
| gordonDrogon | or maybe "marketing". | 18:12 |
| gordonDrogon | vbeinfo: command not found, but videoinfo (@ grub) gives 1366x768. Bios also says 1366x768 native. | 18:12 |
| gnarface | huh | 18:12 |
| gnarface | got the latest bios installed right? | 18:12 |
| gordonDrogon | no idea but this thing can update via ethernet/internet.. | 18:13 |
| gordonDrogon | at the bios level. | 18:13 |
| gnarface | i feel like i've seen a number of different causes for the max res to persistently seem clamped to something lower than it said on the product box but it was always a software issue in the enda | 18:14 |
| gordonDrogon | there's another read weird issue I can't work out - reboot and it comes up OK, gets onto the wi-fi, but can't/won't ping anything for 2 minutes. | 18:14 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't give up quite yet | 18:14 |
| gordonDrogon | let me fiddle with the bios - might have to plugin a mouse as the trackpad is very sensitive there. | 18:14 |
| gnarface | wifi taking a long time to connect could be caused by a lot of stuff... maybe a dhcp or dns issue, or a local host config issue | 18:15 |
| gnarface | or maybe just a freaking driver bug. i've had a lot of whack stuff going on with wifi in recent kernels (as in everything after 4.x) | 18:15 |
| gnarface | what model of laptop was this did you say? | 18:16 |
| gnarface | the bios might have an "advanced" mode that exposes more options - something like one of the early igpu machines' bioses had where you can opt into piggybacking 8MB more of system memory or something could affect the max res | 18:18 |
| gordonDrogon | dell Dell Latitude 3510 15 Inch | 18:19 |
| gnarface | (...and back then the advice was always to disable it because it just slowed down the intel drivers, but the drivers have improved massively since then) | 18:19 |
| gordonDrogon | in advanced mode - thought it could over air update, seems not. let me check how to... | 18:19 |
| gordonDrogon | I'm sure it's the laptop having issues - nothing else in the house complains about dhcp over wifi, etc. (and I used to do this crap for a living, so would like to think my setup is good! :) | 18:20 |
| gnarface | i'd make sure to get the latest bios from dell first before pursuing any other options | 18:21 |
| gordonDrogon | workng through that now...brb | 18:22 |
| gnarface | also, unless there's more than one "dell latitude 3510" from an earlier decade or something, this thing should be able to handle 4096x2304 over the usb port or 4096x2160 voer the hdmi port... | 18:22 |
| gnarface | that doesn't say what the native panel res is, but it'd be weird for it to be as low as 1366x768 with specs like that on the external ports | 18:22 |
| gnarface | if you've got a spare monitor to plug in that can do at least 1920x1080 i'd say it'd be worth a try as a debugging measure... but bios update first | 18:23 |
| gnarface | oh, hmm... | 18:24 |
| gnarface | actually | 18:24 |
| gnarface | now looking at the display section of the product page, it does seem to be implied that there were 3 different screen options | 18:24 |
| gnarface | and the lowest-tier one is native 1366x768 | 18:25 |
| gnarface | but it seems as though you should still be able to get the higher res out of an external display | 18:25 |
| gnarface | and if it's the FHD-screen model it is 1920x1080 but i don't know how to tell | 18:26 |
| gnarface | i'd get the bios update anyway though because that could still help with the wifi | 18:26 |
| gnarface | https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-us/latitude-15-3510-laptop/latitude_3510_specs/display?guid=guid-b5960c74-4eef-48f9-9b5f-382cfd4ae103&lang=en-us | 18:27 |
| gnarface | looking at this here | 18:27 |
| gordonDrogon | yes, thanks. sorry - been on the phone - family (ugh) issues and we don't even have kids - but nieces ... | 18:36 |
| gordonDrogon | yes, looks like I got the bottom level one ... | 18:36 |
| gordonDrogon | they have removed all the stickers from it too and cleaned it up very well. | 18:37 |
| gordonDrogon | ah, Dell says it has a critical bios update... 24th april this year. | 18:40 |
| gordonDrogon | well this is going to be fun. the bios is an exe file and I wiped windows from it. | 18:40 |
| gnarface | hmm, so the thing about those... i learned a trick about some generation of these dell exe bios flashes that wasn't well documented, and only documented for a few models, but i was told by someone supposedly who used to or still did work there that | 18:42 |
| gnarface | that you can run those on freedos 1.0 | 18:42 |
| gordonDrogon | Dell even supports ubuntu too. | 18:42 |
| gnarface | the context of this was i was complaining about the lack of that option for other models, like the one i had on hand, and i was informed that they ALL are like that now it was just not well documented for other models | 18:42 |
| gnarface | but then the freedos people said that a later version of freedos should be the same and that's how i found out it wasn't true, and it actually needs to be exactly freedos 1.0, and their exe will check by number and not even try it on later versions | 18:43 |
| gordonDrogon | ah, looks like there is a way. bear with me - will need some reading. | 18:43 |
| gordonDrogon | https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-uk/000131486/update-the-dell-bios-in-a-linux-or-ubuntu-environment#Flashing%20a%20Dell%20BIOS%20in%20a%20Linux%20Only%20Environment | 18:44 |
| gnarface | there was also some redhat or ubuntu flash utility that was tangentially related but i wasn't able to get that to work either | 18:44 |
| gnarface | (eventually i gave up on updating that one, but it's still sitting here) | 18:44 |
| gnarface | ah, yea, the freedos thing is mentioned there on that page | 18:45 |
| gordonDrogon | fwupdmgr install firmware.cab | 18:46 |
| gnarface | i guess the laptop i have here is counted as a "legacy system" now | 18:46 |
| gnarface | yea, i remember trying this before fwupdmgr was finished | 18:46 |
| gnarface | it was a known entity but didn't support the hardware at the time, i think, due to some bug | 18:46 |
| gordonDrogon | No supported devices found | 18:52 |
| gordonDrogon | bother. | 18:52 |
| gordonDrogon | this despite following the links for my laptop directly from the site to get it from. | 18:52 |
| gordonDrogon | https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devices/com.dell.uefi59e05c3f.firmware | 18:52 |
| gnarface | hmm, try the section #2 method maybe? booting from usb? | 18:55 |
| gnarface | i wouldn't be surprised at all if the fwupd thing only works on the one old version of ubuntu they actually supported stock | 18:55 |
| gnarface | this model counts as "after 2015" right? | 18:56 |
| gordonDrogon | ok. yes, updated the fwupdate and it's doing .... done. | 18:57 |
| gordonDrogon | oh, still doing. bios has a progress bar. | 18:57 |
| gordonDrogon | bioses got far too complex for their own good. | 19:00 |
| gnarface | i agree | 19:00 |
| gordonDrogon | right. video resoution still 1366x768 in the bios,so that's that. | 19:01 |
| gordonDrogon | laptopsdirect.co.uk are a site to be avoided in the future. or at least make sure you have the full specifications. | 19:02 |
| gnarface | eh, it's a bummer, but it's probably still a good bargain for the price you paid | 19:03 |
| gnarface | but yea, still sketchy that dell would have 3 different specs on the same model #, and then someone else would try to sell the low tier one as the high tier one... seems like schadenfreude across the board there | 19:04 |
| gordonDrogon | I think it is.other than the actual resolution it's very nice - very clean, and long battery life. internal wifi works, external ethernet, usb ... | 19:04 |
| gordonDrogon | 'entry level' business laptop for the masses... | 19:04 |
| gnarface | i wonder if the models are so similar that it would be easy to swap in the higher res display from a broken one | 19:05 |
| gordonDrogon | maybe in 10 years time :) | 19:07 |
| gordonDrogon | now, of only I could power cycle the usb ports (I tried!) | 19:07 |
| gordonDrogon | I am very impressed with the battery too - but I really shouldn't be, I suppose. | 19:18 |
| gordonDrogon | it's been on battery for the past 5 hours minus a short period when I plugged it in during bios update and it's at 60%. It was down to 49% before I plugged it in. | 19:18 |
| gordonDrogon | that's good, but better when you know it's also been powering a Raspberry Pi and 7" display plugged into a USB port.... | 19:19 |
| gordonDrogon | the Pi PXE boots off the laptop which is why I wanted one with internal wifi and ethernet. | 19:19 |
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