| gnarface | that guy named "fatso" who was trying to get thunderbolt fixed on his thinkpad t480... that thunderbolt thing rang a bell; if he comes back tell him to check the channel logs because i think i remember someone solving that a while back | 15:45 |
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| gordonDrogon | Right. New laptop time! (New to me) I've no doubt that it will "just work" though. I has some weird operating system on it that seems to require an internet connection to load stuff. How quaint... | 16:24 |
| djph | gordonDrogon: Macintosh? | 16:26 |
| gordonDrogon | djph,Nah - it's a Dell. | 16:26 |
| djph | hehe, so how much longer til it's got Devuan on it? | 16:26 |
| gordonDrogon | no idea - downloading the netinstall 'iso' now .. | 16:27 |
| gordonDrogon | trying to find a usb storage thing... hmm.. I'm sure I had some! | 16:29 |
| gordonDrogon | and after going through the bios shenanigans (eventually!) it's booted from the USB thingy. We have Linux. | 16:36 |
| gnarface | hooraaay! | 16:36 |
| gordonDrogon | my old laptop was good, but 10+ years old and fan was a bit noisy. It had also lost a shift key and the 'r' key - well, they key tops and I couldn't get them to click bacck on again. funny chicklet keypad.. | 16:38 |
| gordonDrogon | also the internal wifi had burnt out - apparently common on those models... | 16:38 |
| gnarface | bummer | 16:38 |
| gnarface | you can still make it into a quake server though! | 16:38 |
| gnarface | upcycling! | 16:39 |
| gordonDrogon | :) | 16:46 |
| gordonDrogon | it's an old i3 model - 6GB RAM, 256GB SSD. its worked well for a mobile workstation. 15.6" screen (as is the new one). | 16:47 |
| gordonDrogon | right - first stumblung block - can't get on the network - needs drivers for wifi, but it has on-board ethernet (a requirement when I was looking for one), so lets check the cable. | 16:47 |
| gordonDrogon | well that was weird. wi-fi was detected and it found my AP but wouldn't connect to it (key exchange), but changing the ethernet cable works fine. on wards and upwards! | 17:00 |
| gnarface | gordonDrogon: you're probably just missing the firmware package? | 17:01 |
| gordonDrogon | yes but thats ok for now. good old Ethernet ... | 17:01 |
| gnarface | don't forget as of current stable they've moved all the firmware and driver packages from non-free to non-free-firmware | 17:01 |
| gordonDrogon | this is the first time i'm installing D from scratch - done upgrades before. | 17:07 |
| gordonDrogon | anyway, i can fix that once the base system is going. | 17:07 |
| gordonDrogon | and downloading from 'net .. a mere 1115 packages.. hm. | 17:12 |
| gordonDrogon | then I'll need to work out what else needs installing from my old laptop. | 17:12 |
| gordonDrogon | and what I can remove. | 17:15 |
| gordonDrogon | woa. it's not letting me install lilo. | 17:18 |
| gnarface | huh, weird | 17:19 |
| gnarface | what's it say? | 17:19 |
| gordonDrogon | it says nothing - it's just not an option on the install menu - and trying to install grub has failed. "This is a fatal error". | 17:20 |
| gordonDrogon | something about EFI. | 17:20 |
| gnarface | wait, i thought you were past the install already? | 17:21 |
| gnarface | try it in expert mode | 17:22 |
| gnarface | you might have to be in expert mode for it to offer you lilo, not sure... been a while since i tested an installer mysefl | 17:22 |
| gnarface | *myself | 17:22 |
| gnarface | did they pull lilo from daedalus?! | 17:23 |
| gordonDrogon | I've been though in in expert mode - that's when it just gave me the option of grub - | 17:23 |
| gnarface | uh oh... i just realized the last time i used lilo was beowulf | 17:23 |
| gordonDrogon | now laptop isn't happy - boots into bios self-test mode. presumably as it doesn't have anything bootable. let me see what it has to say. | 17:23 |
| gnarface | oh no :( lilo last seen in beowulf: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=lilo&x=submit | 17:24 |
| gnarface | ok, i guess we have to figure out what is wrong with grub | 17:24 |
| gnarface | maybe you have to do something with secure boot in your EFI | 17:24 |
| gnarface | either disable it or... add some EFI partition? i'm vague on this part... | 17:24 |
| gordonDrogon | that's what I'm at right now - in the bios. | 17:25 |
| gnarface | yea, i think i've heard it said most of the interfaces will give you a way to add the or select the EFI partition from inside the EFI interface, then you come back to the install | 17:25 |
| gnarface | there's some various model or vendor specific caveats in some cases that i don't have memorized, but someone else around here usually can help with that | 17:26 |
| gnarface | maybe fsmithred | 17:26 |
| gordonDrogon | right. no EFI partition. | 17:26 |
| gordonDrogon | it's a dell lattitude 3510 fwiw... overly complex bios )-: | 17:32 |
| gnarface | my guess is there's probably also info about how to do this somewhere on the debian wiki that shouldn't be different for devuan except maybe one efi subdirectory name somewhere being 'devuan' instead of 'debian' | 17:36 |
| gordonDrogon | I'm sure, but take 2 - ok so-far. | 17:43 |
| gordonDrogon | I suspect that I'm just a little out of touch with the various "secure" boot shenanigans and this Dell bios is just huge and ugly. | 17:43 |
| gordonDrogon | I think it's a nice laptop for what I paid for it though. (refurbished) | 17:44 |
| gnarface | stick around, someone can help you with this. i've been avoiding efi so far | 17:44 |
| gnarface | i don't think it's a difficult trick i just never remember what it is | 17:45 |
| gordonDrogon | I think the issue is that I thought I knew better when partitioning the internal drive - I used the bios to wipe it and then used the 'guided' thing and it's created a separate partition, I think for the bootloader thing. | 17:46 |
| CueXXIII | yeah, for efi you need a fat partition to boot, that also needs a special uuid | 17:46 |
| gordonDrogon | hm. 1124 packages this time. | 17:46 |
| fsmithred | gordonDrogon, what partitions do you have now? | 17:54 |
| gordonDrogon | not sure - I'll need to check when it boots, but it's now just gotten past the install grub stage | 17:54 |
| gordonDrogon | it created 3 from what I recall. | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | If you did automatic partitioning, it should do the right thing | 17:55 |
| fsmithred | if not, we can fix it | 17:55 |
| gordonDrogon | it's ok - it's going. it has 3 partitions, 256M EFI, 237G ext4, 1G swap. | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | sounds good | 17:58 |
| gordonDrogon | thanks. just my own naivity in the partitioning - trying to be too clever | 17:59 |
| gordonDrogon | and if I have to use grub then so be it, but ~30 years of lilo is hard to get away from ... | 17:59 |
| fsmithred | if it works, you won't really notice it | 18:00 |
| gordonDrogon | indeed. | 18:00 |
| gordonDrogon | battery is down to 47% - started at 80% | 18:01 |
| gordonDrogon | wonder if I can get suspect/hibernate going on this when I close the lid - it never did work on the acer. | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | there are three or four things that can affect that | 18:02 |
| fsmithred | elogind, acpi, pm-utils | 18:02 |
| fsmithred | I forget what else | 18:02 |
| fsmithred | power-manager | 18:02 |
| gordonDrogon | yea, I'll have a look later when I get my own xfce4 stuff going rather than the supplied defaults which I really don't like. | 18:02 |
| gordonDrogon | got a big rsync session to do now :) | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | might be time for some ac power | 18:03 |
| gordonDrogon | it's telling me it has 4+ hours left! :) | 18:04 |
| gordonDrogon | the bios has all sorts of whacky stuff like running off battery during certian times even when plugged into the mains to (try) to take advantage of different power tariffs... | 18:09 |
| * gordonDrogon wonders if anyone actually uses (or needs) that. | 18:11 | |
| gordonDrogon | (you can tell it's the first time I've had a new laptop in 10+ years ;-) | 18:11 |
| gordonDrogon | anyway, I'll clock that up to another success for Devuan - and it would probably have "just worked" if I'd let it do its thing in automatic mode. | 18:13 |
| gordonDrogon | although as it already had Win11 (or something on it) I'm not sure what it would have done - the bios has a "wipe at next power-up" mode which I used ... | 18:13 |
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