| Wizzup | freemangordon: not sure @ image builds | 01:55 |
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| davidhamner | I'd love to do a deep dive and cover Maemo Leste on my Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@davidhamner. Are there any devices that are anywhere close to daily driveable? I have a N810, N900, N9, Pinephone OG, and a Librem 5 I can flash on. | 04:38 |
| donihalim | Hi | 05:11 |
| gnarface | davidhamner: stick around, slow channel | 05:15 |
| sicelo | davidhamner: from your list, Pinephone OG & N900 I guess | 07:15 |
| sicelo | Librem 5 port still in progress (blame me) | 07:15 |
| freemangordon | but better find d4 | 07:15 |
| sicelo | N9 port is stalled a little | 07:16 |
| donihalim | Hi, does deleting message on the conv app doesnt work? | 12:37 |
| Wizzup | I think it should work, how are you deleting it? | 12:49 |
| donihalim | open the message and select delete chat from the menu | 12:50 |
| donihalim | it seems only clearing the chat | 12:53 |
| donihalim | sms got deleted but matrix and irc are still there | 12:55 |
| donihalim | im already deleting both accounts | 12:55 |
| Wizzup | dsc_: ^ ? | 13:00 |
| dsc_ | donihalim: ill have an answer later | 13:07 |
| dsc_ | currently fixing some other stuff @ conversations | 13:07 |
| donihalim | Thanks Wizzup and dsc_ | 13:09 |
| sicelo | lux values from ALS on N900 seem pretty accurate when the sensor is provided with calibration data from CAL | 14:12 |
| sicelo | I'll try to MR the required stuff soon. | 14:13 |
| kiva | sicelo: Do you think that N900 can work as lux meter? | 15:34 |
| davidhamner | sicelo: I'll give it a go on my N900. I also noticed the matrix bridge is down, I get a spinning circle when connecting to the room "#maemo-leste:libera.chat" | 15:34 |
| arno11 | davidhamner: note that we actually don't have n900 image working well OOTB | 15:37 |
| sicelo | kiva: probably not *that* accurate. i think there's a photolightmeter application in extras btw | 15:38 |
| donihalim | arno11: its 20240825 img that work for me | 15:40 |
| davidhamner | arno11: What device has the best OOTB with a flash experience? | 15:41 |
| davidhamner | sicelo: I have a spare L5, if you'd like some help getting it up and running. | 15:42 |
| arno11 | davidhamner: OOTB probably droid 4 and pinephone | 15:44 |
| arno11 | n900 can returns good results but with a bit of work after install | 15:45 |
| arno11 | donihalim: ok | 15:47 |
| kiva | davidhamner: Pinephone is easiest, but to show the power of Maemo over another phone OSs it need Pinephone keyboard. | 15:48 |
| sicelo | davidhamner: i do have L5 too. i'm kinda waiting for daedalus to go live, since the L5 needs newer Xorg | 15:53 |
| davidhamner | arno11: I'm still leaning towards the N900 as I'm rather fond of that device from the old days. The droid 4 seems like it might have network issues on T-mobile in the US. But I don't really expect much better from the N900 as both are rather old. | 15:54 |
| sicelo | you're in US? | 15:54 |
| sicelo | should be easy to get D4 then | 15:54 |
| kiva | D4 is usefull with Maemo even without network...you can transfer .deb packages into it with USB-stick. | 15:58 |
| kiva | and it's microHDMI output works better with Maemo than in any OS (including original OS). | 16:03 |
| arno11 | davidhamner: ok i see | 16:04 |
| kiva | davidhamner: try that 20240825.img with N900, it is not latest but at least knowing to work. | 16:08 |
| arno11 | hmm...yeah but not OOTB | 16:09 |
| arno11 | and need absolutely -devel upgrade | 16:09 |
| arno11 | anyway better to wait a good daedalus img | 16:10 |
| davidhamner | sicelo: 3G went away about 2 years ago for me, and with it support for most of my older devices. I'm hoping to make a video about daily driving maemo in 2025, mobile network is not a deal breaker for the video. Tho I'd love a device I can keep daily driving after. | 16:10 |
| davidhamner | I'm out of the loop, what is needed for daedalus to go live? | 16:11 |
| kiva | davidhamner: there is coming big next step for Maemo..so maybe it is better wait. | 16:13 |
| davidhamner | arno11: I don't really need it to work OOTB, just as long as it won't take me a week to get running. I have to be careful not to speed 3 week on a project to make a single video. :) | 16:16 |
| arno11 | ok :) | 16:16 |
| kiva | I takes under 10 minutes to get Pinephone to desktop (even not so fast internet connection for download and not so fast sd-card reader dd and push power button) | 16:23 |
| kiva | (and no rush to put sd-card in Pinephone, I think I broke one Pinephone modem when I accidentally put in SIM-slot, even without powering on) | 16:31 |
| sicelo | yeah, common mistake with PP | 16:32 |
| sicelo | L5 has its own SIM/SD-slot quirk - don't ever eject them while system is powered | 16:32 |
| Wizzup | davidhamner: re: daedalus, a few full days of the devs attention :) | 16:34 |
| Wizzup | I'm already using it daily, but we need to fix some image build issue and then a few pkgs | 16:35 |
| Wizzup | that's it mostly | 16:35 |
| Wizzup | and make a news post :) | 16:35 |
| kiva | Sicelo: It should be like with Nokia N810. memory card accessible from outside :) | 16:35 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: yeah :) | 16:39 |
| sicelo | kiva: was it the N810, or N800 that can take 2 or 3 memory cards? | 16:40 |
| kiva | N800 takes 2 memory cards. | 16:40 |
| kiva | filemanager and can access usb-sticks with right cable and you can charge with old fashion Nokia charger same time..it can be pocket fileserver ;) | 16:44 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: btw for daedalus, i built (locally) picodrive with 'mainline' notaz last stuff and used sdl-gles to configure it. it mostly solves issues i experienced. still a bit of work (and time i don't have) but should be ok soon | 16:47 |
| arno11 | (so pico, pcsx and drnoksnes should be ok) | 16:49 |
| donihalim | arno11: have you tried harvestmoon btn on pcsx? is it playable? | 16:50 |
| sicelo | kiva: i still would like to make OTG work on N900 with Leste. on Fremantle it could also charge while supplying power to usb sticks, etc. | 16:53 |
| arno11 | donihalim: i didn't try it but should work fine | 16:54 |
| donihalim | ok | 16:54 |
| arno11 | in fact most games work full speed | 16:54 |
| arno11 | depending of bios and settings mostly | 16:56 |
| Wizzup | arno11: great :) | 16:59 |
| Wizzup | arno11: I'm finally with more time now :) | 17:00 |
| kiva | sicelo: It is not important is that real OTG..because N900 has 200mA current limit anyway, It would be fine if it works at least as it works with H-E-N. If you really needed, it worked. | 17:00 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: ok cool :) i will try to help you with daedalus. just ping me if needed | 17:02 |
| kiva | sicelo: and remember test usb-stick with Fremantle first, because I remember N900 was very picky what stick works and what not..I remember that I had two Kingston sticks that looks like same, but had one letter different in model number, one worked another not and but was under current limit. | 17:06 |
| sicelo | can always provide external power. that worked too. i think i still have my custom made y-cable :p | 17:10 |
| kiva | all my uses was that usb-cable that came with N900. I just added usb-a gender changer. | 17:12 |
| kiva | so no extra power..but also some (not all) mices, keyboards worked too. | 17:15 |
| sicelo | I even did console to Cisco routers with the N900, which always raised eyebrows | 17:17 |
| kiva | but that I remember with mices that all old usb-mices with ball worked..some led mouses work some not. | 17:18 |
| kiva | I dreamed wired video calls with usb-ethenet :) , but I newer really try harder to make it work. | 17:22 |
| inky | i am trying to make that maemo update on pinephone, and i get: Unable to update 'Maemo Leste'. | 19:05 |
| inky | Conflict with application packages: hildon-base (1.6+m7.1) | 19:05 |
| inky | tried also apt-get update; apt-get upgrade | 19:05 |
| inky | and then again this message. | 19:06 |
| dsc_ | how to fix this one: https://plak.infrapuin.nl/selif/wegwegweg.txt (clean VM, deb https://maedevu.maemo.org/leste chimaera-devel main contrib non-free in apt/sources) | 20:14 |
| dsc_ | Wizzup: ^ | 20:28 |
| Wizzup | this is chimaera? | 21:10 |
| Wizzup | dsc_: this should be fixed once and for all after this | 21:12 |
| Wizzup | but I think you run dpkg --configure --force-all gconf2 | 21:12 |
| Wizzup | or dpkg-reconfigure --force-all gconf2 | 21:12 |
| inky | what about 'Conflict with application packages: hildon-base (1.6+m7.1)' when doing HAM update of that maemo package? | 21:14 |
| inky | and when doing dist-upgrade: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package hildon-base:arm64 due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. | 21:14 |
| inky | E: Reverse conflicts early remove for package 'elogind:arm64' failed | 21:14 |
| Wizzup | inky: what kind of system is this? | 21:19 |
| dsc_ | Wizzup: ah | 21:36 |
| dsc_ | ty | 21:37 |
| inky | pinephone. maemo, chimaera. has devel enabled. | 21:59 |
| Wizzup | ok, so no other repos, like daedalus | 22:00 |
| Wizzup | and you get this when you run 'apt update; apt dist-upgrade' | 22:01 |
| Wizzup | please share the whole output if you can | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | I made some experiments with hildon-meta, it is still not ready, obviously | 23:05 |
| freemangordon | do not enable -devel unless you know what you do | 23:05 |
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