libera/#maemo-leste/ Friday, 2025-02-28

arno11oh i know why00:14
arno11anyway, will have a look tomorrow00:15
Wizzuphe left us hanging as to the answer :( :D00:42
Wizzupbut yes, daedalus is also pretty good for me currently00:43
arno11Wizzup: sorry :) the answer was we can't set prio bellow 0 without root10:29
arno11*nice prio10:30
arno11and we can't use limits.conf: high prio only works with RT kernel iirc10:32
arno11(btw if i decrease prio to 2 or 8 from xsession, it works no problem)10:36
arno11but i can't get why it works fine with mce11:01
arno11*increasing prio to -911:05
arno11is mce running as root ?11:06
Wizzuparno11: probably depends on how you invoke dsmetool11:18
Wizzupas which user11:18
Wizzupas yes, init.d will run as root11:18
Wizzupregardless of which service runs as root11:18
arno11apparently yes and Xorg ofc as user. so it makes sense, we definitely can't use --nice high prio option in both init.d and xsession for processes running as user11:18
WizzupI don't think it matters that user the process runs as ultimately11:19
Wizzupwhat user the*11:19
arno11oops sorry my last answer was related to my own question11:21
arno11Wizzup: 'I don't think it matters that user the process runs as ultimately11:45
arno11you mean to use nice prio ?11:45
Wizzupyes11:47
arno11ok but it matters iirc11:50
arno11you can only set prio between 0 and 19 without root11:50
arno11and between -20 and 19 with root11:52
arno11and it seems to be confirmed toying with nice in xsession and init11:55
arno11we already had the same issue with cmt_pulse btw11:56
inkyso in conversations now we have jabber gabble and jabber haze14:03
inkywhich works better?14:03
* inky wonders why bionic screen looks so gorgeous.14:05
dsc_use haze14:15
donihalimgreetings everyone :)15:05
sicelohey ;-)15:07
donihalimany N900 user here? whats your setup and usecase?15:07
siceloat present the 'biggest' N900 user is arno11 :-)15:08
sicelobut there are also many of us15:08
dsc_donihalim: yes, quite a few people :)15:09
donihalimhi sicelo, you are active here aswell :)15:10
siceloyeah15:10
donihalimdsc_: just got this N900 few days ago, just curious how people use this device nowadays15:11
donihalim*typing on N900 running leste15:12
siceloarno11 has ported some games to it. you can also make and receive calls when using Leste15:13
arno11donihalim: hi, n900 user here. what do you want to know ?15:14
siceloand here's arno11 joining - the most knowledgeable about use cases15:14
donihalimyes, just installing leste since this morning after bought a U3 sdcard. almost everything run smoothly15:15
arno11ok nice15:15
arno11sicelo: :P15:15
donihalimhi arnol1 just wanted to know what people use N900 for15:18
arno11ah ok15:19
arno11i use it for almost everything, excepting 'modern' web browsing which is quite impossible15:20
donihalimi was planning to use N900 as secondary phone for chatting15:20
arno11ah nice15:20
donihalimi can use sms, matrix, irc and email just fine15:20
arno11cool15:21
arno11also sip, jabber, skype, facebook (not with all accounts) work15:21
arno11telegram works fine15:21
arno11even really fine15:21
donihalimas for browsing i mainly browse simple web found on wiby.me or from other web15:22
donihalimtelegram really?15:22
arno11ok so links2 gui should be perfect for that15:22
donihalimi should try that15:22
arno11yes telegram-desktop :)15:22
arno11for msgs, audio msgs, file transfer, calls15:23
donihalimyes im using links2 and surf2 sometimes15:23
arno11ok15:23
arno11links2 -g is cool (use ctl+shift+N) to disable compo for better perfs)15:24
arno11for telegram: the config/settings are a bit tricky btw15:24
arno11but once ok, it runs fine and smoothly15:25
donihalimwait let me install telegram asap15:26
arno11donihalim: btw which leste img did you install ?15:26
arno11for telegram-desktop: first launch could be very very slow depending of daedalus or chimaera img15:27
donihalim240829 iirc, then dist-upgrade to devel15:27
arno11ok so chimaera15:27
donihalimnewer than that just keep freezing15:28
arno11yeah that's known issue with swap15:28
donihalimwhat img are u using?15:28
arno11good to know for 24082915:28
buZzarno11: really only telegram-desktop?15:29
buZzi thought there was a telegram plugin for that thingy15:29
arno11donihalimi: use the last daedalus img actually15:29
arno11buZz: yeah but the plugin can only do messaging15:29
buZzoh right15:30
donihalimhow is it compare to chimaera?15:30
arno11on tg-desktop, every functionalities work15:30
buZzyeah i use that client on my desktop15:30
buZzits fine, but its electron15:30
buZzso sucks big time15:30
buZz(on resources)15:30
arno11donihalim: compared to chimaera, perfs are quite similar excepting qt5 OOTB and swap is wrong15:31
arno11but with few tweaks that's quite nice15:31
arno11buZz: ah ok15:31
buZzits a bit sad that people release 'web apps' like this with electron, its a big waste of ram/cpu15:32
donihalimim still deciding on which os should i use, been testing pmos and sicelo give me great help on the process15:33
arno11ok great15:33
buZzi like how well rounded maemo is, it feels like a alternative reality sometimes15:33
buZzthe phoneOS from a world where users actually wanted to use linux15:34
donihalimi had to bought u3 sdcard since my class 10 sdcard cant handle leste15:34
buZzin n900? bizar15:34
arno11yeah class 10 is really not leste friendly15:34
donihalimits 32gb sandisk extreme pro15:35
buZzjust a bit slow perhaps, but how much faster can n900 access a faster card really? without overclocking the bus15:35
buZzquite sure i've used class10 cards for leste15:36
buZzwell, on droid4 at least15:36
dsc_buZz: tg is not electron, but maybe you are referring to another client15:36
dsc_official one is Qt15:36
arno11buZz: for sdcards that's just a question of perfs with small blocks15:37
buZzoh gee? then why does it suck so much15:37
arno11u3 on n900 makes a huge diff15:37
buZznice15:38
dsc_buZz: i'd say its a really fast client, they used QtWidgets (so not QML)15:38
dsc_anyway I dont use it, using the webif15:38
sicelodonihalim: i'm Maemo before pmOS. (although i've not made it official yet, i actually intend to exit as a maintainer in pmOS to focus on Leste and Debian)15:39
donihalimbuZz: its really slow when i tried15:39
siceloyes N900 is slow. there's no way it can get faster. but, still a very rewarding device to work on15:39
buZzsicelo: well15:40
buZzyou could15:40
buZz'buy' that neo900 motherboard15:40
buZz:P15:40
buZzand get ever so slightly faster15:40
sicelono, there's no neo90015:40
buZzthey never produced any?15:40
donihalimsicelo: whoa thats surprising, i guess ill stick with leste for now15:41
donihalimsince it already meet my needs15:41
siceloheh, nice then :-)15:41
donihalimarnol1: just finished installing tg, whats should i do next?15:42
arno11well, a bit long to explain :P15:42
arno11but first launch will be very slow15:42
arno11then you need to deactivate automatic img, audio, video download15:43
arno11also deactivate opengl stuff from settings15:44
sicelosounds like you could/should make a wiki page for it one of the days15:44
arno11yeah i forgot to do it (as many other things btw)15:44
arno11donihalim: you must create a /.config/alsoft.conf file15:46
donihalimtook around 2min to launc15:46
sicelomy focus is still the somewhat low-level stuff - e.g. i would like to help work on getting upower/mce to work with N900/D4 fuel gauge quirks15:47
donihalimso i have to sign in first?15:47
arno11donihalim: yeah and 2min is normal and will take around 40-60 sec for next launch15:48
arno11you can create the alsoft file first15:48
donihalimwhats the content of alsoft.conf?15:48
arno11(it helps)15:48
arno11[general]15:49
arno11drivers = alsa15:49
siceloarno11: btw i should also see if in daedalus we can import the latest iio-sensor-proxy ... that would enable screen blanking during calls on the N900 as well :-)15:49
arno11periods = 615:49
arno11sicelo: oh yeah indeed15:49
arno11we also need to have a look @irtx btw15:50
arno11ah scratch that, we are still on 6.615:50
siceloi'll check the dependencies (iio-sensor-proxy). as long as the main libraries match what we have in daedalus, then we'll be fine15:50
arno11ok15:50
arno11donihalim: i forgot to mention that you should use long clicks in tg settings to avoid weird known app crash15:52
siceloarno11: looks like we will be able. the libgudev version in daedalus matches, yay.15:53
arno11first 3-4 tg-desktop launches are complicated, then it is ok and smooth15:53
arno11sicelo: cool15:54
donihalimits $HOME/.config/alsoft.conf right?15:55
arno11right :)15:55
arno11needs reboot btw15:55
donihalimoh wait let me reboot15:55
arno11you can also renice -n -9 hildon-desktop, mce, systemui and Xorg after boot to improve responsiveness15:57
arno11*on each boot15:57
arno11(i really need to update some stuff in wiki)15:58
donihalimThe phone keep freezing...16:21
donihalim>you can also renice -n -9 hildon-desktop, mce, systemui and Xorg after boot to improve responsiveness16:25
donihalimI'll try that16:26
donihalimarnol1: whats the command exactly?16:26
arno11donihalim: for freeze: check wiki and see if you have sdswap or emmc. you probably still have emmc swap16:34
arno11switch to sdswap to solve the problem16:35
arno11for the commands: sudo renice -n -9 $(pgrep Xorg)16:35
arno11same for mce, systemui, hildon-desktop16:36
arno11but first you should fix the freeze on boot16:37
sicelommm, we should ideally get these things fixed in the images themselves.16:38
donihalimAh yes I'm still using emmc swap, thanks for pointing it out, let me switch to sdswap16:39
* sicelo must test burning a new Leste image ... still rocking an old image, probably from beowulf days16:39
donihalimarnol1: i see emmc swap is commented on fstab but i also see /swap, should i disable it after add /swapfile ?16:51
arno11could you share your fstab ?16:52
arno11apparently your fstab is ok btw16:53
arno11you already have sd swap with /swap16:53
arno11so no need to create a new swapfile16:53
donihalim0x0.st/8mpw.txt16:54
donihalimhere's my fstab16:54
donihalimjust added the /swapfile16:55
donihalimis it zramswap?16:55
arno11ok so you should comment the new /swapfile or delete it as you already use /swap16:56
arno11no it isn't zrramswap16:56
arno11*zramswap16:56
arno11so you meant that you got freeze on boot with sdswap (/swap file) activated and emmc swap deactivated ?16:57
arno11if yes, that's the first time i see this16:59
donihalimyes, this happen every boot unless i let it sit for sometime17:00
arno11ah ok nice :P that's perfectly normal if it is not responsive for 1min after hildon-desktop appears17:01
arno11you should not click anywhere during this time17:02
arno11if it is unresponsive for more than 2min, something is wrong17:02
donihalimah that make sense17:03
donihalimdoing renice does make a different17:03
donihalimthanks again :)17:04
arno11yeah17:04
donihalimlets back to telegram :D17:04
arno11you can also set 500MHz for min freq17:04
arno11and use boost mode if you want (see wiki)17:04
arno11ok @telegram :)17:04
arno11to log on tg-desktop on your n900 you need the andro/ios app to scan the QR btw17:06
arno11(just one time)17:06
arno11then the app (and the phone) will be not really responsive until you deactive the settings previously mentioned17:08
arno11that's a real PITA to be honest17:09
arno11but once the setup is ok, it rocks. just the launch time is a bit long but you can keep the app always in background if needed with no problem17:11
sicelowonder if those settings cannot be pre-seeded? don't they live in .config ? or it would overwrite them?17:12
arno11good question but iirc settings are not in txt file or so, but rather in weird format17:13
donihalimwait, i dont experience any lag even before disabling auto download17:13
donihalimbut opengl already disable by default17:14
arno11ah ok i see17:14
arno11(that's the opposite on daedalus for the record)17:14
arno11with the proper alsoft file, audio msgs should work perfectly in both directions17:15
arno11same for calls but it works better with mobile data than wifi (but that's common issue with all platforms)17:16
arno11and ofc depending of wifi setup17:17
arno11animated stickers should also work fine17:18
arno11same for file sharing, even with big files like movies17:18
arno11i tried, it is cpu heavy but it doesn't affect responsiveness too much17:19
donihalimwhoa im very impresed how well this turns out17:22
donihalimreally, thank you very much17:22
arno11NP :)17:23
arno11glad to hear someone else has a rocking n90017:26
donihalimas a user im glad people still maintaining N90017:30
donihalimso im not really late to the party :D17:31
arno11donihalim: :D oh i forgot something important btw...transitions.ini file17:31
arno11(see wiki)17:32
donihalimmany thanks arnol1, sicelo, and all :)17:32
donihalimlet me check17:32
arno11you should lowering radius stuff in [home]17:32
arno11things will be smoother17:33
donihalimdo i need reboot?17:33
arno11no it should be ok directly17:34
arno11*smoother when navigating through hildon desktop17:34
Wizzupdonihalim: yeah we're working on making the n900 better through the work of arno, most of it just needs integration atm17:37
donihalimarnol1: it does make things smoother, anything else i should know? :)17:41
donihalimWizzup: much thanks :)17:41
arno11hmm let me check but i think that's ok now17:41
arno11did you try boost mode btw ? (overclock)17:42
donihalimno i havent, does it consume more battery?17:42
arno11it is (just) useful now for some videos or psx emulator or stuff like telegram calls17:43
arno11no real battery impact honetly17:43
arno11*honestly17:43
donihalimi'll try it then17:44
arno11it is useful also for sip calls17:44
donihalimwhich govenor should i use?17:45
arno11ondemand is ok17:45
arno11but not perfect17:45
arno11with the tweaks you already have, boost doesn't make any diff now in term of overall responsiveness btw17:47
arno11just useful for cpu heavy stuff17:47
arno11and multitasking17:47
arno11i still try to figure out for almost 2 years now why i can easely overclock my fremantle to 1GHz-1.1GHz with no problem and not over 890MHz with Leste...17:50
arno11@1GHz on fremantle with no trackers and no blur, perfs are still amazing for a such old device17:51
donihalimwhich file should i edit to change the min freq?17:53
arno11/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq17:54
arno11should be done @each boot17:54
arno11you can create a bash script for renice stuff and min freq btw17:55
donihalimdo i need to change govenor each boot too?17:57
arno11(sudo is needed)17:57
arno11no ondemand is default one17:57
donihalimalright ill put everything into shell script, thanks again :)17:59
arno11you're welcome17:59
arno11let us know if you encounter any bug btw18:01
donihalimsure18:02
donihalimoh right, how can i make the virtual keyboard works on the conversation app?18:02
arno11ah, it is supposed to work with last chimaera -devel updates iirc18:04
arno11did you dist-upgrade to devel or ?18:05
arno11if not, see wiki (SD Card and first boot)18:06
donihalimyes i dist-upgrade to devel18:06
arno11ok so iirc there is a bug: you should open input settings and check if virtual kb is activated18:07
arno11*text input18:08
donihalimits active and works on i.e terminal18:09
donihalimbut i cant make it work on the conv app18:09
arno11ok so you should ask dsc_18:12
arno11dsc_: hi ! ^^18:12
dsc_I'm actually not sure if Wizzup enabled vkb support in chimaera devel18:12
dsc_for Qt, that is18:12
dsc_donihalim: if you hang around I will have an answer later :P18:13
arno11ah ok, i actually don't use my chimaera and can't check but i'm pretty sure it was working but maybe i'm wrong18:13
dsc_(not today)18:13
dsc_I made the vkb support but I dont know what mechanism enables it system-wide, Wizzup did it18:14
arno11ok18:14
donihalimdsc_: sure i'll wait :D18:14
donihalimsome of the button on my pk is hard to press, hard to type fast18:16
arno11donihalim: not related but you should also have a look @gnome tracker tweak in leste wiki. could help qt5 apps on chimaera.18:19
arno11have to go. bbl18:20
donihalimoh yes i've done it18:20
arno11ah ok cool18:20
kivadonihalim: if use pk lot the hard keys will come less hard. If you another problems read this: https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=101337&page=519:44

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