| inky | folks, enjoy comics-daily on maemo. (: | 00:01 |
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| inky | some screenshots https://xn--y9azesw6bu.xn--y9a3aq/content/24165919/ | 00:31 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: I have fixed nothing re 6.6 power usage. Also, power usage in 6.6 is not ok, my device is using > 200 mW on idle with 6.6 compared to ~135 with 6.1 | 08:56 |
| freemangordon | I'll be back home later today, though I don;t know if I will have time today to try to fix it | 08:57 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: well, it is 'good enough' for me, I still get 2 days, so I am happy | 09:24 |
| Wizzup | but yes, we do need to fix it | 09:24 |
| Wikiwide | I want a 5G (or at least, 4G) phone running Linux - and not just a candybar. Between LG Wing, Blackberry Priv and Blackberry Passport, which one is more likely to be able to run Maemo Leste? Other device recommendations are welcome, too. | 11:56 |
| Wizzup | probably currently none of them, but looking at the soc in there and if hte community has interest in it might be a good guide | 11:58 |
| uvos__ | i gues the closest ist the fxtec 1 right? if you can find one of those | 12:04 |
| uvos__ | not that it works | 12:04 |
| uvos__ | but at least there was some work done on that | 12:04 |
| uvos__ | tecnically mapphones are 4g :P not that you can do anything with the lte modem | 12:05 |
| Wikiwide | uvos__: What is mapphone? | 12:20 |
| Wikiwide | uvos__: Had Fxtec Pro1, with Sailfish OS on top of Android with libhybris. Software update bricked that. No energy left to unbrick that. | 12:21 |
| uvos__ | the droid4 (and related devices) currently the most targeted development platform of leste. but they are 4g in theory only, the modem is of no use in modern times | 12:24 |
| uvos__ | well your out of luck then, the droid4 is the most modern qwerty phone with good linux support and the fxtec is the only lte+ qwerty phone with any support | 12:26 |
| Wizzup | I have not checken on fxtec mainline support recently | 12:27 |
| Wizzup | checked* | 12:27 |
| uvos__ | yeah | 12:28 |
| uvos__ | even if it works they made seemingly 3 of those before going out of bussness | 12:28 |
| uvos__ | :P | 12:28 |
| Wikiwide | My sibling has another Fxtec Pro1, was running it with stock Android. Until got hardware problem. Pogo pin broken off? Don't remember. Got spare parts, even. But haven't been able to revive it, yet. | 12:30 |
| Wizzup | they went out of business? shame | 12:30 |
| Wikiwide | Everybody goes out of business. If they are start-ups. Solution is to get Dragonbox Pyra (I have pre-ordered one, should pre-order one more, have been waiting for years) or to piggy back on devices of existing large companies (as in, community edition Linux for those mainstream devices which have not been utterly locked). | 12:33 |
| Wikiwide | Or to collect devices of start-ups - rarities, like in a museum. | 12:33 |
| Wikiwide | Has anyone got hold of email address of HMD Global or anybody else sufficiently out of the box to persuade them to try out multi-board bracelet Linux-based mobile computer/phone? | 12:36 |
| Wikiwide | Like, link up all the multiple boards with USB cable into network. | 12:37 |
| buZz | a usb bracelet? :P | 12:39 |
| buZz | this sounds cute | 12:39 |
| Wikiwide | Meanwhile, I did not major in electrical engineering, I don't like soldering, my e-bike battery would likely need spot welding to replace cells, and boring recycling companies would not even try to reimburse me if I brought the mostly fine battery to them. | 12:39 |
| Wikiwide | buZz: Exactly! Much cuter than pink plastic Barby phone. Also, each of the devices on the bracelet would have its own tiny battery, and swap over to wireless comms instead of USB when taken off the bracelet. | 12:41 |
| buZz | nice pipedream ;) but bracelet computing in general might be something to think about | 12:43 |
| buZz | or , like those 1980 sweat absorbing wristbands? | 12:43 |
| buZz | as a formfactor | 12:44 |
| Wikiwide | Imagine: you can snap GPS/maps/navigator off bracelet and put it onto bicycle handlebar, and it would last you a hour or two until you put it back onto bracelet. | 12:44 |
| buZz | i have that pine64 smartwatch , its kinda cute | 12:44 |
| Wikiwide | I have pebble smartwatch or two somewhere, should get around to charging it and updating its software to rebble. | 12:45 |
| buZz | nice :) that hardware might be near your bracelet idea? | 12:46 |
| buZz | like a smartwatch with multiple screens | 12:46 |
| sicelo | Wikiwide: why not Pinephone Pro or Librem5 | 12:46 |
| Wikiwide | Cute! https://pine64.com/product/pinebook-pinephone-pinetab-serial-console/ But that's 3.5mm, right? Not 2.5mm? | 12:54 |
| Wikiwide | sicelo: Last I remember, they are typical candybar phones, no hardware keyboard? | 12:55 |
| Wikiwide | buZz: See https://wiki.seeedstudio.com/RePhone_Strap_Kit_for_Pebble/ | 12:59 |
| buZz | cute | 13:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I'd be happy getting a pinephone if there was a compact slider keyboard more like the N900. The current keyboard offering is more like a massive case and not suitable for on the go. Dragonbox suffers the same it's keyboard is more for on a desk in which case I'd use a thin laptop. | 13:05 |
| buZz | just get a droid4 then :) | 13:19 |
| gnarface | they discontinued the pinephone keyboard anyway | 13:25 |
| gnarface | they couldn't get a clamp on the quality control issues, and the size and fact it wasn't a slider model were already to avoid anticipated quality control issues | 13:26 |
| buZz | also the charging was pretty iffy :D | 13:26 |
| buZz | causing burning keyboards? or pinephones | 13:26 |
| buZz | cant remember | 13:26 |
| gnarface | a few of them burnt out their charging circuit, reasons still debated | 13:27 |
| gnarface | afaik no phones actually lit on fire from them, but they did discontinue the wireless charging backplate because it melted one phone | 13:27 |
| sixwheeledbeast | unavailable. at least you can buy a PP | 13:29 |
| buZz | gee | 13:30 |
| buZz | sixwheeledbeast: yeah i guess Wizzup owns all droid4s out there now ;) | 13:30 |
| Wikiwide | Lawlz ;-) | 13:51 |
| Wikiwide | Any open-source thermometers for sick people? Should be easier than Pinecil. | 13:52 |
| Wikiwide | Like, we have one ancient mercury thermometer, one unreliable infrared thermometer, and one new-fangled-cheapest-from-pharmacy 10s-metal-tip electronic thermometer. And they manage to get lost easily. | 13:54 |
| Wikiwide | I imagine that an open source electronic thermometer with a charging dock could start complaining loudly if it is motionless and not in dock. And shine bright LED lights. | 13:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I like the look of the pinecil but I often need to solder in stupid locations, butune is less hassle than chunky battery banks an wires. I'd use a bench iron for proper jobs. | 15:02 |
| sixwheeledbeast | thermometers went mad during covid you couldn't buy one anywhere. Not something I would care about being expensive or open source if it's accurate enough. | 15:06 |
| Wikiwide | Fun: https://www.instructables.com/Smart-Thermometer-Using-Esp-01F-and-Web-Socket-Ard/ | 15:06 |
| Wikiwide | But I would go for AAAA, not a lipo. That is, if I can find a rechargeable AAAA. I like swappable batteries, especially old-fashioned cylindrical ones. | 15:07 |
| Wikiwide | Could be a lithium whatever cylindrical battery, of course. Have got a charger that works with either lithium or nickel batteries, no problem. | 15:09 |
| Wikiwide | Would rather use eink screen, not OLED, if it reduces power consumption. For retro looks, it could even look like mercury thermometer - scale, not spoon-fed numbers. | 15:25 |
| Wikiwide | Would rather avoid smacking the thermometer, that's wear and tear. Rather, make thermometer feel the pressure, like an active stylus? | 15:26 |
| Wikiwide | And yes, charging circuit would be nice. | 15:27 |
| Wikiwide | But 1.2V or 3.7V~4.2V, I would probably find the redesign to be arduous. | 15:29 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: https://leste.maemo.org/Extras/drnoksnes | 17:05 |
| Wizzup | cool!! | 17:38 |
| Wizzup | btw you can disable hildon compositing programatically if you want, but if it is fullscreen I think it should be disabled already | 17:39 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: yep but usually it doesn't work (like in smplayer or pcsx) | 17:46 |
| arno11 | (argh got another wifi crash) | 17:47 |
| arno11 | is there a way to restart wlan stuff ? | 17:47 |
| arno11 | 3.5g is still ok but no way to connect to a wifi network until reboot. never got this kind of issue with previous kernels | 17:49 |
| arno11 | for compo i mean it doesn't work automatically in fullscreen, need to disable it in window mode and then, enable fullscreen | 17:52 |
| arno11 | s/disable/enable/ | 17:54 |
| Wizzup | what is the 'wifi crash' here? | 18:05 |
| Wizzup | I think this is quite different from what we see with wifi dropping | 18:06 |
| Wizzup | you're talking about some oops in the kernel I think | 18:06 |
| arno11 | that's a wifi dropping and then, can't see any wifi network anymore until reboot | 18:09 |
| arno11 | i think it is an issue with the applet | 18:11 |
| gnarface | arno11: try just reloading the wifi driver module | 18:12 |
| arno11 | ah ok ty, i'll try now | 18:12 |
| arno11 | still the same unfortunately | 18:16 |
| gnarface | eh, sometimes it works | 18:16 |
| gnarface | driver crashes are possible, and sometimes they can be recovered by just reloading the module | 18:17 |
| gnarface | it's not always the case though, and this might not even be a driver crash... it was worth a try though | 18:17 |
| arno11 | yes indeed :) ,probably something wrong only with the applet | 18:17 |
| arno11 | because hsdpa still work but can't see it in the applet everytime i click on it | 18:18 |
| arno11 | what is the name of the connection manager applet btw ? | 18:21 |
| sicelo | icd-something | 18:23 |
| sicelo | you can look in /var/log if there's anything you can pick up | 18:23 |
| arno11 | ok ty | 18:24 |
| sicelo | arno11: i'm not into games, but i remembered this game from my childhood - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCYKNKPXv1w | 18:25 |
| sicelo | do you know if it could play on one of the emulators on N900? | 18:26 |
| Wizzup | arno11: can you check dmesg when this happens | 18:26 |
| arno11 | Wizzup: got nothing :( | 18:28 |
| arno11 | sicelo: let me check | 18:28 |
| sicelo | dmesg | grep wl1251 maybe? | 18:29 |
| arno11 | still nothing, pretty sure wifi works but something is wrong with the applet | 18:33 |
| arno11 | sicelo: for the game, should work on UAE | 18:33 |
| arno11 | but there is no built for chimaera iirc | 18:34 |
| sicelo | i see. well, i don't even have the game ROM ... wonder if i can find it. | 18:37 |
| sicelo | N900 will manage though? i could always play on pc ;-) | 18:37 |
| arno11 | on D4 the arcade version of the game should work with MAME emulator from devuan repo | 18:38 |
| arno11 | on pc no probs and should work fine on N900 with a bit of work | 18:39 |
| sicelo | i'll give it a go. | 18:40 |
| sicelo | the wifi .. you touch on the status area, then the connections, and you only see 3.5G? | 18:43 |
| arno11 | yes but 50% of time | 18:43 |
| arno11 | but the network is fine (currently using it) | 18:44 |
| arno11 | pretty sure wifi is also there but not visible | 18:44 |
| arno11 | maybe restart icd2 with dsmetool could help ? | 18:46 |
| sicelo | maybe.it has some way to do verbose log | 18:46 |
| arno11 | maybe | 18:46 |
| sicelo | icd2 -l 0 | 18:46 |
| arno11 | able to stop/restart icd2 with dsmetool but still can't see wifi | 18:53 |
| sicelo | looks like icd2 is managed by openrc ... so `rc-service icd2 stop`, etc. | 18:56 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | same result | 19:00 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | and can't find any relevant logs atm | 19:01 |
| gnarface | is there a /var/log/daemon.log? | 19:01 |
| gnarface | you might need to turn up logging verbosity in wpasupplicant | 19:01 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | yes | 19:01 |
| sicelo | arno11_buggyWifi: /var/log/maemo/icd2.log | 19:01 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | i already looked at it | 19:02 |
| sicelo | there's also wpa_supplicant log in that dir. any clues from it? | 19:03 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | don't remember, let me check | 19:03 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | still nothing relevant | 19:05 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | i have to go for a bit, ty guys for your help :) | 19:05 |
| arno11_buggyWifi | bbl | 19:06 |
| arno11 | sicelo: still no wifi after 2 reboots :( | 20:26 |
| sicelo | maybe you should delete your existing icd2 and wpa_supplicant logs, reboot, try connecting, then share those two logs | 20:28 |
| sicelo | and dmesg, of course | 20:28 |
| arno11 | ok but i already got recent logs | 20:35 |
| arno11 | ah got something with wpa_supplicant | 20:36 |
| arno11 | will share in a bit | 20:37 |
| sicelo | NB: with verbose logging, icd2 will show PSK in cleartext in the log | 20:45 |
| arno11 | https://paste.debian.net/1323362/ | 20:45 |
| sicelo | show output of, ip link sh | 20:47 |
| sicelo | i think you have the wlan1 problem | 20:50 |
| arno11 | sorry, what do you mean ? | 20:51 |
| sicelo | heh, show that output first ... ip link sh | 20:52 |
| arno11 | wtf, indeed wlan1 | 20:53 |
| sicelo | :-D | 20:53 |
| arno11 | wlan1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 | 20:54 |
| sicelo | `sudo ip link set wlan1 name wlan0` should rename it back | 20:56 |
| sicelo | i don't know if it will be permanent | 20:57 |
| arno11 | ah lol same stuff that the old issue with gprs0 ? | 20:57 |
| arno11 | let's try | 20:57 |
| sicelo | there's also problems with gprs0 being named something else? never heard it before | 20:58 |
| arno11 | yeah it works man :) | 20:58 |
| arno11 | yes you already solved it iirc | 20:59 |
| arno11 | thanks a million ! | 20:59 |
| arno11 | ah no, the gprs stuff was different | 21:04 |
| arno11 | bbiab | 21:06 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: ok, got it working, however, I have no idea why it works | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | to me stream naming does not make sense | 22:47 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: what was the change? | 23:28 |
| freemangordon | Wizzup: https://pastebin.com/8eBMNeB5 | 23:30 |
| Wizzup | I see | 23:31 |
| Wizzup | and this solves the pm issue? | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | hars to say | 23:31 |
| freemangordon | at least all dapm widgets are off | 23:32 |
| freemangordon | but issue seems to be there | 23:32 |
| Wizzup | ok | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | + | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | oops | 23:40 |
| Wizzup | and it works during call? | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | still hard to say | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | but maybe it is better | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | as now I am seeing readings of 150 mW | 23:41 |
| Wizzup | if dapm is off then it must be better | 23:41 |
| freemangordon | perhaps we can compare regs 6.1 vs 6.6 | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | oh, yes, it is better | 23:42 |
| freemangordon | I just got 113mW power_avg with wifi connected | 23:42 |
| Wizzup | ok | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | did you fix the bad commit name? | 23:43 |
| Wizzup | no | 23:43 |
| Wizzup | make sure you pull but then feel free to force push | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | how to do it? force-push? | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | ok | 23:43 |
| Wizzup | that seems like 32mA btw, so not too bad with wifi on | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | yeah, it varies, but is way better than before | 23:44 |
| Wizzup | we also got libomemo-c, qxmpp and telepathy-nonsense in repo, not sure if it works, but progress, made it compile and got newer libs | 23:44 |
| Wizzup | and telepathy-tank and libQuotient too | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | yeah, saw the mails | 23:44 |
| Wizzup | (not yet in repos) | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | BTW, I still don;t understand the naming | 23:44 |
| freemangordon | see https://pastebin.com/BU1hhteR | 23:45 |
| freemangordon | 'out "static" "Voice Playback"' is what is needed to make it work properly | 23:46 |
| Wizzup | not sure why both are there, is one a switch and one the route? | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | so it auto-connects playback<->capture | 23:46 |
| Wizzup | and this is switched on when? | 23:46 |
| freemangordon | but if I don;t add DT route "Voice Playback", "c2c.cpcap-voice-mdm-call-playback" it does not work | 23:47 |
| freemangordon | no idea | 23:47 |
| Wizzup | freemangordon: shall we build new kernel when you push? | 23:59 |
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