libera/#maemo-leste/ Wednesday, 2024-06-19

Wizzuphttps://www.phoronix.com/news/systemd-tmpfiles-purge-drama13:51
branonwhy was /home created by tmpfiles.d is the real question14:02
branonisn't useradd supposed to do that14:03
branon> At least on the Debian side of things, /home is shipped in base-files14:07
branonso which distros let systemd create /home via systemd-tmpfiles is the real question14:08
branonthis seems like a distro misusing a systemd tool14:08
branonoh he's on debian unstable, maybe i am misunderstanding something14:08
branonbut still14:10
branonshipping tmpfiles.d/home.conf seems like a wrong decision by the distro14:10
buZzbranon: remember the 'useradd' drama re: systemd? :D14:21
buZzTLDR useradd follows posix, so lets you add usernames that start with numbers14:21
buZzsystemd isnt compatible with posix, any username starting with '0' will be root to systemd :D14:21
buZz(because lennard only tests with redhats adduser)14:21
branoni do remember :X if you create a user with a number as the first character, you still get warnings on current systemd distros14:22
branondisappointing14:22
buZzwith useradd?14:22
branonthink so14:23
buZzwell14:23
buZzit never beats the 'rm -rf' issue with systemd :D14:24
buZzwhere lennard was suprised that 'rm -rf /directory' -doesnt- also recursively delete the '..' directory in there :D14:24
branonactually it's the `adduser` wrapper that warns14:24
branonadduser: Please enter a username matching the regular expression configured14:24
branonvia the NAME_REGEX configuration variable.  Use the `--force-badname'14:24
buZzsometimes i feel like he's developing on windows14:24
branonoption to relax this check or reconfigure NAME_REGEX.14:24
branon`useradd` will do it without complaint14:24
branoni never understood the difference14:24
buZzbranon: right, useradd follows posix14:25
buZzadduser follows whatever redhat wants14:25
kivaVivaldi Browser works with Pinephone Keyboard with Leste!!14:53
kivaalthough not easy install..needs some debencies first and first "welcome" start hang, but second start works!14:55
kivahave to start from terminal (does not install icon) it gives some error messages to terminal, but works.15:02
kivathe deb package was that arm64 package in Vivaldi web page..btw there is also arm package..so if somebody wants test it also with droid or N90015:06
kivaactually it install nice icon to debian folder.15:10
Wizzupkiva the icon install is something we did as a generic solution I think17:36
uvosbuZz: heh it really would not suprise me that mutch if lennard announced that he swiched his delopment platform to wsl17:58
uvosstill systemd is over all an improvment over sysv or openrc17:59
kivaWizzup: That generic solution works well.18:05
* sicelo opens the article19:27
sicelomeantime ... openrc itself is on life support, it seems19:28
unic0rnre systemd, it's usually convenience vs security22:41
unic0rnI'm on chromeos, linux container inside is a regular debian, but natively afaik chromeos is based on arch and uses upstart22:43
unic0rnso there can be a balance22:43
unic0rnsystemd is a joke22:43
branonchromeos uses upstart? that's awesome, i always liked upstart22:57
branonone of the few canonical projects i wish they had kept going with22:57
branonalso partial to runit as used in void linux, though it is quite bare bones with plenty of sharp edges22:58
sicelofremantle used upstart too22:58
moparisthebestBut then you miss out on awesome features https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/3334923:17
branon 08:10:47 <branon>shipping tmpfiles.d/home.conf seems like a wrong decision by the distro23:21
branoni don't see how this can be refuted tbh23:21
branonsystemd didn't force anyone to create /home with a utility called **tmp**files23:21
moparisthebestTechnically, if you think about it, aren't all files temporary in the end?23:25
dsc_that depends on if you use seagate barracuda HDDs or not23:34
branonfor me it's WD blues23:35

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