libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2025-05-27

papaGood morning from Japan.03:43
papagnarface Still awake?03:43
papaStruggling to get Daedalus 5.0.1 to display X/Xfce correctly. There's a strip on the left-hand side of the desktop that's beyond the edge of my display, and haven't been able to scroll, and changing graphics modes hasn't changed the problem.03:46
papaI was advised here to try installing the following firmware packages: firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-misc-nonfree, firmware-intel-graphics, firmware-intel-misc, firmware-intel-sound03:47
papa(Installing the *-intel-* packages with apt-get caused the firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-misc-nonfree to be uninstalled automatically.)03:49
AfdalDo you mean a loose xfce panel?03:49
Afdalin the worst case I think you can simply remove it without being able to click on it by clicking on a different panel -> Panel Preferences03:50
papaIs there something else that needs to be done to activate the firmware packages other than apt-get install and then rebooting? Because doing that hasn't changed anything on my PC.03:50
Afdaland then selecting the naughty panel from the dropdown menu at the top03:50
papaAfdal None of the Xfce widgets are displayed. I get just the background wall paper and a short context menu.03:51
Afdalyou don't have any sort of bottom panel?03:51
AfdalI'm sure there's a terminal command you can use to bring up the Panel Preferences window.  What is it...03:52
gnarfacepapa: no, just installing them and rebooting should be enough. did you try making a xorg.conf that just explicitly set everything?03:52
papaNo. None visible. There might be something on the left side of the desktop that's not being displayed on my monitor, but random clicks when the mouse is off the screen have found nothing.03:53
Afdalaha, it's xfce4-panel --preferences03:53
Afdal:)03:53
Afdalrun that in a terminal to bring up the panel preferences stuff03:53
Afdalyou might be able to fix things from there without being able to access the thing hiding off your screen display03:54
papaWierd. "bash: xfce-panel: command not found"03:54
Afdalxfce403:54
Afdalneeds the 4 on the end03:54
papaoh03:54
Afdaltry tab-autocomplete :)03:54
Afdalactually, uh, you might even be able to adjust the pixel position parameters manually03:55
Afdalfrom one of the config files03:55
Afdallet's see, which file would that be in...03:56
papaOK, I've got a Panel Preferences window.03:56
Afdalaha, yes03:56
Afdalif you go into the Xfce Settings Editor03:56
Afdalyou can manually adjust the position values of that panel hanging outside your screen03:57
Afdalto bring it back within the clickable area03:57
AfdalI think you might need to restart xfce4-panel after editing those in order for them to take effect though03:59
papaSo in the Setting Editor panels > panel-1 > position?03:59
papaCurrent value is "p=6; x=0; y=0"04:00
Afdaloh no, actually they take effect instantly04:00
Afdalyeah :)04:00
Afdalokay so that tells me your panel is hiding somewhere in the top left04:00
Afdaltry a middle value for x and y across your monitor resolution04:01
Afdaland set p=504:01
AfdalI think p refers to a corner-locked attribute or something04:01
papaSo try something like "p=5;x=650;y=350" ?04:01
Afdalyeah04:02
Afdaltry that04:02
papaNo change. Can I restart Xfce from the terminal?04:03
Afdalyeah04:03
Afdalwell04:03
Afdalparts of xfce are easier to restart than others04:03
Afdalwhat does the size value say04:04
Afdalfor your panel04:04
Afdalin the settings editor04:04
Afdaloh actually maybe you have the span-monitors bit set to 104:04
Afdalthat might be what's allowing your panel to escape your current display04:05
paparow size 26 pixels04:05
Afdalwhat about...04:05
Afdalautohide-behavior?04:05
Afdalto be honest if it was a position problem, you should probably be able to see if after adjusting those position values04:06
Afdalwhat's your current display resolution?04:07
Afdalactually umm04:08
AfdalWhat happens when you try to generate a new panel?04:08
AfdalIn Panel Preferences?04:08
Afdalare you able to see and fiddle around with that panel at least?04:08
papaYour question about span-monitors gave me an idea. Maybe the missing strip on the left of the desktop is not actually missing, but Devuan is sending it to another monitor it mistakenly thinks I have. xrandr lists TWO connected displays, HDMI-2, which is what I am using, and VGA-1, which doesn't exist, but xrandr says is "connected primary".04:10
Afdalyeah that's why I'm wondering04:10
Afdalmaybe your current xfce profile was set up for a multi-monitor setup?04:10
AfdalI'm curious if you can generate a new panel and have it configurable properly04:13
papaI have a KVM switch connected to my computer's VGA port, but am only using it for keyboard and mouse, there's not monitor attached. Maybe Devuan is detecting the switch and assuming there's a monitor there, which is where it's sending my Xfce panels.04:13
Afdaldon't leave me hanging :D04:13
papaIs there a way to tell Xfce to just igore the VGA monitor?04:14
AfdalI think that's probably something you wanna resolve through xrandr04:14
papaHow about xfce4-display-settings?04:15
Afdalactually04:15
Afdaltry uh04:15
papaThat works.04:15
Afdalthe "Configure new displays when connected" toggle04:15
Afdalmaybe turn that off?04:15
papaWhere is that?04:18
papaAfdal Where is that toggle?04:20
fsmithredApplications, Preferences, Display, Advanced Tab04:23
papaGotta go, but many thanks for the breakthrough! I think this may have fixed my problem.04:24
rustyaxexfce panels have been kinda broken in annoying ways for awhile :(04:57
papaBack. About my display trouble, I said earlier that I have an MKV switch with no monitor attached, which seemed to be confusing Devuan. Actually, I had forgotten that the MKV switch is connected to my TV across the room. That is what Devuan was detecting and trying to use as my primary display (even though the TV isn't turned on).05:14
papaThe Xfce display settings were persistent across logins without additional settings changes.05:16
Afdal:D05:18
papaI now have two problems: 1) The Xfce display settings only apply to the user that was logged in when I made the settings. Can the be made to apply to all users? 2) Slim is still trying to use my TV as the primary monitor. Is there a way to make it ignore the TV and use my HDMI monitor instead?05:19
papaNeither are huge problems since there will probably only be two users, root and my personal login, and I won't be sad to just deactivate slim and use startx after logging in on the console.05:23
papa1) and 2) would both be solved by making Devuan ignore the TV from boot-up, although I would like to keep the option of using the TV as a secondary monitor occasionally.05:25
freaxehdo I need to format a swap partition after creating it in gparted?08:22
papafreaxeh I think you need to run mkswap.08:45
freaxeh2ty08:57
gnarfacepapa: well, it's important that you've solved the mystery, but for the record this is exactly the type of thing you should have mentioned 3 days or so ago when i asked you if you were using any weird display adapters...12:16
gnarfaceanyway, this also should be fixable in X with an xorg.conf, behavior of which one it picks before X loads however may not be as easy to control; in my experience the video bios basically does whatever it wants, sometimes showing starkly divergent behavior at boot time even between the same series of cards from different vendors12:17
gnarface(some bios settings might be furnished to give you more control, but that's somewhat rare)12:18
gnarfaceso, now you should probably take an inventory of the hardware supported by all those firmware packages we threw in when we were shooting in the dark and remove the ones you don't need (which might be all of them)12:19
gnarfacethey probably aren't hurting anything but they're a waste of space12:19
rwppapa, OMG!  That detail of having a KVM attached but no monitor attached was an ultimately important detail!18:47
jonadabNow I'm curious why the kvm switch was attached to the VGA port.  Don't they usually draw the tiny amount of power they need to operate, from the PS/2 ports?18:51
rwpI suppose that depends upon the KVM.  The ones I have dealt with have wall-wart power adaptors.18:53
rwpAlso VGA is analog.  It's never going to be as clear as a digital interface such as DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, and so on.  Even I with my museum of equipment am not using any analog VGA anymore.18:55
rwpI am not saying you can't use it.  I am saying that if you are using it and having problems then that's a detail that you should mention.  And if you also have an analog KVM in the middle that's an even more important detail!18:56
rwpAlso papa said he had the KVM connected to the keyboard and mouse and if it is a VGA KVM then I think it is safe to assume it is a PS/2 keyboard and mouse KVM too.18:58
jonadabMaybe?  I don't know, I've seen more systems with VGA ports but no PS/2 ports, than the other way around.19:01
jonadabNot sure about KVMs, though.19:01
jonadabThen again, if I needed to use the same USB keyboard and mouse on two different systems, I'd just plug them into a USB hub, run USB cables from both systems, twist-tie them together and label which is which, and switch which one is plugged into the hub at will.19:02
jonadabMaybe that's just me.19:03
rwpMaybe it is just me but fuzzy displays bug me and adding a KVM VGA switch always makes the already fuzzy VGA more fuzzy.  Personally I have never been able to tolerate those old KVMs.19:05
rwpThe one exception being when it is a 42U rack of systems with one "laptop" KVM in the middle to crash-cart the rack as needed.  It's already so uncomfortable standing there freezing on the cold side of the servers that a little fuzzy display is not significant.19:05
rwpFor that environment it is much better to set up iLO, IPMI, iDRAC, for a network console.  But this is off topic and work is calling so I am going to stop ranting about missing information when trying to debug problems...19:06
jonadabI used to be a big advocate of CRT displays, but in the last ten years, LCDs have finally started to sort out the worst of their color-reproduction and viewing-angle issues, so I'm way less adamant about that now.19:18
freaxehyeah CRT is dead now19:19
freaxeheven for input lag reasons19:19
gnarfacewell it's not dead yet at my house, but it's getting close19:20
freaxehI have a sony trinitron crt and my lcd tv won out because of resolution reasons, that and I managed to calibrate the lcd panel to something that I can live with19:20
gnarfaceand it should be made clear for the record that this wasn't a problem with CRTs or VGA connectors in general19:20
freaxehI've had the luxury of using a vga KVM, the crosstalk and interference problems is mind blowing19:21
gnarfacethis part belongs in off-topic19:21
Guest59hello everyone, first time on IRC. I have a question: I need to create a test environment for a Wordpress.org theme I am developing, deadline next Monday. Every option I've tried seems to rely in some way on systemd (either through docker or vagrant). Which would be the fastest way to create a test environment? I just need a local wordpress23:30
Guest59instance so I can check if everything works properly when put together. Thanks in advance23:30
AfdalWordpress relies on systemd now?23:59
Afdalwtf?23:59

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