| UsL | freaxeh: Double Commander ( https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/ ) I've used it fr many years now. A good total commander (windows commander) "clone" it can even use the plugins for totalcmd. | 00:27 |
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| UsL | it's in the repo even | 00:28 |
| UsL | freaxeh: https://bayimg.com/a97d1aa631f4168bac9882f7040251e816339604.jpg don't ind the bad looking theme. I'm on the lookout. But you can get a sense of it. | 00:32 |
| Xenguy | doublecmd | 02:48 |
| debdog | multipass! | 02:56 |
| debdog | Xenguy: are you human? | 02:57 |
| Xenguy | What would an AI reply? | 03:01 |
| debdog | who mentioned AI? | 03:01 |
| Xenguy | Implied, no? | 03:02 |
| debdog | what is your age? | 03:02 |
| Xenguy | .oO( Inquisitor? ) | 03:02 |
| debdog | in earthly terms | 03:02 |
| Xenguy | .oO( *Nobody* *expects* t | 03:03 |
| Xenguy | The Inquisition!!! | 03:03 |
| debdog | have you seen mars? | 03:03 |
| Xenguy | Top 5 chocolate bars | 03:03 |
| debdog | snickers is the best! | 03:04 |
| Xenguy | I think it is | 03:04 |
| Xenguy | M&M's are nice too | 03:04 |
| debdog | you've avoided the question about bening human. are you? | 03:05 |
| Xenguy | Does being trained by humans count? | 03:05 |
| debdog | no | 03:05 |
| Xenguy | Dang | 03:05 |
| Xenguy | Though we've all been trained by humans | 03:06 |
| debdog | in the name of Jesus Christ, reveal your true being! | 03:06 |
| Xenguy | Oh, sorry, this is off-topic | 03:06 |
| Xenguy | See you over there then | 03:06 |
| golinux | Good grief! | 03:56 |
| freaxeh | ty UsL | 04:02 |
| freaxeh | sadly the resync process didn't provide any further options | 04:02 |
| freaxeh | root@darkangel:/mnt# cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md0 /mnt/recovery | 04:02 |
| freaxeh | Device recovery not found | 04:02 |
| freaxeh | Cannot use device /mnt/recovery, name is invalid or still in use. | 04:02 |
| freaxeh | ./mnt/recovery is a brand new folder that I just created | 04:03 |
| freaxeh | root@darkangel:/mnt# ls -al /dev/mapper | 04:10 |
| freaxeh | total 0 | 04:10 |
| freaxeh | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 60 May 21 00:01 . | 04:10 |
| freaxeh | drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 3320 May 21 00:02 .. | 04:10 |
| freaxeh | crw------- 1 root root 10, 236 May 21 00:02 control | 04:10 |
| freaxeh | root@darkangel:/mnt# | 04:10 |
| freaxeh | I ran: root@darkangel:/mnt# cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/md0 md0 and it was sucessful | 04:13 |
| freaxeh | woohoo i have all of my files back! | 04:14 |
| onefang | YAY! | 04:14 |
| freaxeh | it must be a new update which has changed the way things work | 04:14 |
| freaxeh | also sorry for the minor flooding | 04:15 |
| freaxeh | nope it was just user error, ie me | 04:19 |
| freaxeh | its always been like that | 04:19 |
| freaxeh2 | SHOULD I use LVM? | 05:34 |
| freaxeh2 | I'm using mdadm to create a raid1 on my gaming pc | 05:35 |
| freaxeh2 | brb | 06:12 |
| ted-ious | freaxeh2: If you are mirroring you must care about protecting your data so why not use zfs? | 07:10 |
| freaxeh2 | ok | 07:11 |
| ted-ious | mdadm is fine for /boot but that is easy to backup and replace if there's a problem. | 07:11 |
| freaxeh2 | this is just for my gaming pc | 07:11 |
| ted-ious | How much ram do you have and how much can you spare for running the os? | 07:12 |
| freaxeh2 | 16GB | 07:12 |
| ted-ious | If you have 8gb of super fast ram and your game needs 7gb that's going to be a problem. :) | 07:12 |
| freaxeh2 | I'll just stick with ext4 for now | 07:12 |
| freaxeh2 | following the KISS principle | 07:13 |
| freaxeh2 | I need to learn how to use each new tool i encounter | 07:14 |
| freaxeh2 | i've been out of practice for many decades | 07:14 |
| freaxeh2 | but i'll look into zfs | 07:14 |
| freaxeh2 | ty | 07:14 |
| ted-ious | zfs is what I use when I want to create a filesystem and not have to worry about it for years. | 07:15 |
| ted-ious | I hope to eventually replace that with bcachefs but that is taking awhile still. | 07:15 |
| freaxeh2 | when i get my 100TB raid array up and running in a few months i'll consider zfs | 07:17 |
| gnarface | freaxeh2: i don't really know about the LVM thing, but i recall that in recent years the installer started promoting it as part of the default partitioning setup because it obviated some problems with using raid and encryption together | 07:29 |
| gnarface | maybe it would have helped you avoid the earlier struggles, but i don't really know | 07:29 |
| freaxeh_ | well i've removed the encryption on my gaming pc, i'm going fully unencrypted from now on | 07:32 |
| freaxeh_ | its not necessary anyway, i just thought it would be nice in case of theft | 07:33 |
| freaxeh_ | cat and iostat are both producing error message: input output error I'm doing a major backup at the moment could that be the culprit? or do i have a failing system drive or do i have a failing system drive | 12:44 |
| freaxeh_ | df -h | 12:47 |
| freaxeh_ | -bash: df: command not found | 12:47 |
| freaxeh_ | i'm logged in as root on darkangel | 12:48 |
| freaxeh_ | huh ssh is no longer accepting connections | 12:50 |
| freaxeh_ | whoa my local console is filled with error messages | 13:05 |
| freaxeh_ | detected aborted journal | 13:06 |
| freaxeh_ | looks like the system drive has failed | 13:06 |
| freaxeh_ | damn you corsair! | 13:06 |
| gnarface | bummer | 13:06 |
| gnarface | you sure it's dead? did you try fsck? | 13:06 |
| freaxeh_ | well thats the end of darkangel version 1 | 13:06 |
| freaxeh_ | fsck comes back with the same thing, command not found | 13:07 |
| gnarface | oh, i meant like from a live iso | 13:07 |
| freaxeh_ | oh right | 13:07 |
| freaxeh_ | no not yet | 13:07 |
| gnarface | never fsck a drive using the copy of fsck actually on the drive | 13:07 |
| freaxeh_ | good to know | 13:07 |
| freaxeh_ | i'll wait for this backup to finish, its got 20 hours left | 13:08 |
| freaxeh_ | i don't want to screw with something that could be potentially on its last legs | 13:08 |
| gnarface | though, if it's ext4, even if fsck can't repair it that's not conclusive proof of hardware failure... some really bad ext4 permanent corruptions have come from bugs in the e2fsprogs themselves | 13:08 |
| gnarface | that's one of the reasons i switched to xfs | 13:09 |
| joerg | dmesg | 13:09 |
| freaxeh_ | the problem is probably a bad connection to the system drive | 13:09 |
| freaxeh_ | sata hates me | 13:10 |
| joerg | :nod: | 13:10 |
| freaxeh_ | i'll let nfs run in ram for now | 13:10 |
| djph | bleh, 20 *hours* to backup? lotsa data | 13:23 |
| freaxeh2 | 7.9TB | 13:26 |
| freaxeh2 | I own a fair few blurays/dvds | 13:27 |
| freaxeh2 | its gonna be even worse to backup when I have 100TB of blurays/dvds and have to back them up to tape at 9TB at a time | 13:28 |
| joerg | check smartctl | 13:29 |
| joerg | when it hangs forever, it's certainly the interface | 13:30 |
| freaxeh_ | smartctl = command not found | 13:30 |
| joerg | your system is defunct, you need a rescue system | 13:31 |
| freaxeh_ | even ls comes back with command not found | 13:31 |
| joerg | what's that backup running concurrently? | 13:35 |
| freaxeh_ | yes | 13:35 |
| joerg | locked the drive? | 13:36 |
| freaxeh_ | what do you mean, i'm a noob | 13:36 |
| joerg | which is the command you used to backup, and how did you start it, from where? | 13:37 |
| freaxeh_ | from my workstation via nfs | 13:37 |
| freaxeh_ | my gaming pc is receiving the files from darkangel my nas | 13:37 |
| freaxeh_ | its still running fine | 13:38 |
| joerg | nfs... I think nfs is nasty in extreme situations | 13:38 |
| joerg | not unheard of that nfs holds stale locks on files and maybe even drives, when network is not 100% stable. I seen situations where only a reboot fixed that | 13:41 |
| freaxeh_ | roger | 13:41 |
| freaxeh_ | nfs only shares the raid, it doesn't share the system drive | 13:41 |
| freaxeh_ | the system drive in darkangel only serves as a system drive nothing more | 13:42 |
| joerg | s`? | 13:52 |
| joerg | does the nfs mass transfer use the kernel on the system that forgot `ls`? | 13:53 |
| joerg | I'd first stop that backup and see if the defunct system recovers | 13:54 |
| freaxeh_ | yes, i can pause the transfer | 13:55 |
| joerg | pause may not help, it could keep locks | 13:55 |
| freaxeh_ | I'll think ill leave it alone then until the transfer is completed | 13:55 |
| joerg | why do you think the backup is ok when one of the systems involved is defunct? | 13:56 |
| freaxeh_ | I've checked the files that are coming through they are all ok | 13:56 |
| freaxeh_ | also nfs works on the raid not the system drive | 13:57 |
| joerg | you should use sth like rsync for backup, which won't mind when you interrupt it, it just resumes where it stopped when you restart it | 13:57 |
| joerg | again, stale locks are a problem of kernel's fs drivers, not of the drive | 13:58 |
| joerg | so is memory hog, filled-up process tables... a lot of things | 13:59 |
| freaxeh_ | sounds like a nightmare scenario | 13:59 |
| joerg | the kernel simply might have reached max number of open files, depending on the backup command you used | 14:00 |
| freaxeh_ | I used the thunar file manager | 14:01 |
| joerg | stop that, it probably is the culprit | 14:01 |
| joerg | and if not, it's definitely not the tool to do a mmmpfty TB of data backup | 14:02 |
| freaxeh_ | ook | 14:03 |
| joerg | use rsync, tar etc, or dedicated backup solutions which in turn use those tools | 14:03 |
| freaxeh2 | stopped the file transfer | 14:05 |
| joerg | on the bright side - even though I don't know thunar - when you resume exactly this backup, exactly same way, the file manager should ask you if you want to overwrite or skip files that already got copied | 14:05 |
| joerg | "skip all" should get you where you stopped it | 14:06 |
| jjSuer1 | rsync is the way | 14:06 |
| joerg | but honestly, use rsync | 14:06 |
| freaxeh_ | nope, it was the system drive, its no longer showing up in bios | 14:08 |
| joerg | or duply/duplicity or the like dedicated backup programs which are a tad of config duty but then "just work" | 14:09 |
| freaxeh_ | darkangel didn't recover | 14:09 |
| freaxeh_ | system drive failure, total failure | 14:09 |
| freaxeh_ | thankfully my data is still there on the raid | 14:10 |
| joerg | is that a remote machine or do you have local/console access? | 14:10 |
| freaxeh_ | i have local access, i just tweaked the sas connector and its showing up in bios again | 14:11 |
| joerg | ouch! | 14:11 |
| freaxeh_ | remember when i said that sata hates me? | 14:11 |
| joerg | yes | 14:11 |
| freaxeh_ | fond memories right there | 14:12 |
| freaxeh_ | its booting | 14:12 |
| freaxeh_ | so far so good | 14:12 |
| joerg | you need to fix that, urgently ;-) | 14:12 |
| freaxeh_ | now to use rsync | 14:12 |
| joerg | get a new SATA cable, maybe | 14:13 |
| freaxeh2 | it just wasnt plugged in fully, until it clicked, on the motherboard | 14:13 |
| joerg | aaah | 14:13 |
| freaxeh2 | more user error right there | 14:14 |
| joerg | I once had a complete Pentium-2 CPU only partially plugged into its socket, system booted nevertheless :-o :-D | 14:14 |
| joerg | which filesystem? | 14:15 |
| joerg | a fsck might be due | 14:15 |
| joerg | years ago I did -> alias clone='sudo rsync -ahPHAXxv --delete' | 14:16 |
| joerg | don't ask me now what the options mean :-) | 14:17 |
| joerg | https://duply.net/Duply_(simple_duplicity) | 14:18 |
| joerg | re `clone` I'm wary now what's the meaning of "--delete", wouldn't use this parameter without prior checking | 14:23 |
| yeti | deletes teh files that have vanised in the sourve side of the copy | 14:24 |
| freaxeh2 | using rsync -varP with a mounted nfs partition on my workstation here | 14:24 |
| joerg | :nod: | 14:24 |
| yeti | -h was new for me... ok... harmless... like ls -sh | 14:25 |
| yeti | human readable | 14:25 |
| freaxeh2 | only getting 63MB/second | 14:28 |
| freaxeh2 | its probably my slow drives here in the workstation, i should upgrade the raid in it to ssd | 14:29 |
| freaxeh2 | I was only getting 73MB/sec via thunar before | 14:29 |
| freaxeh2 | in the other direction, towards darkangel (my nas) i was getting 200-300MB/sec | 14:30 |
| freaxeh2 | thanks for your help guys anyway | 14:30 |
| joerg | https://duply.net/Documentation >> Most distributions have readymade packages [for duplicity / duply] available. I suggest _not_ to use these, because they generally lack behind duplicity development<< | 16:04 |
| freaxeh_ | ok | 16:25 |
| Afdal | timidity-daemon package should just be removed or something -.- | 16:26 |
| Afdal | It just doesn't work properly with pulseaudio | 16:26 |
| Afdal | since it competes for first startup position | 16:26 |
| Afdal | or maybe that can be fixed | 16:27 |
| gnarface | freaxeh2: 63-73MB/s would be completely normal for a magnetic harddrive | 16:27 |
| Afdal | if the daemon loads before pulse (which it likes to), it'll break all the normal pulseaudio sinks until you stop the service | 16:27 |
| Afdal | Is there a way to specify startup order with sysvinit? | 16:28 |
| gnarface | Afdal: does pulseaudio not have any sort of midi plugin or something like that? | 16:28 |
| Afdal | timidity uses an alsa sink | 16:28 |
| Afdal | which pulseaudio correctly detects | 16:28 |
| gnarface | the issue is user access, you have to be running timidity as the same user as pulseaudio | 16:28 |
| Afdal | when it starts up AFTER pulseaudio | 16:28 |
| Afdal | hmm | 16:29 |
| gnarface | they changed pulseaudio to start from the session manager, so it runs as your user now, but the timidity daemon init scripts still start it as root | 16:29 |
| Afdal | ah | 16:29 |
| Afdal | I see | 16:29 |
| Afdal | hmmm | 16:29 |
| Afdal | I'm actually not too familiar with running services as user | 16:30 |
| gnarface | i don't see the use of the existing setup either, i just disabled the timidity init script and wrote a wrapper script to start/stop timidity alongside dosbox, which so far is the only thing i'm using it for | 16:30 |
| Afdal | Yeah I've just been going with your wrapper script idea now | 16:30 |
| Afdal | uses less resources anyway | 16:30 |
| Afdal | but I'd forgotten I still had the daemon installed and was wondering where the heck my audio went last time I restarted :) | 16:31 |
| gnarface | you can disable it in /etc/default/timidity | 16:32 |
| gnarface | uncomment TIM_ALSASEQ=false | 16:32 |
| gnarface | i think | 16:32 |
| Afdal | disable what? | 16:32 |
| Afdal | What's that do? | 16:32 |
| gnarface | just short-circuits the init script, so you can disable it without having to change the symlinks in /etc/rc*.d/ | 16:33 |
| Afdal | oh, same thing as apt remove timidity-daemon then :) | 16:33 |
| gnarface | oh, does it actually let you keep timitidy proper without it? | 16:33 |
| Afdal | yeah | 16:33 |
| gnarface | i see | 16:33 |
| gnarface | i didn't try that | 16:33 |
| gnarface | hmm... | 16:34 |
| Afdal | I was confused originally because I assumed the daemon came with the normal timidity package | 16:34 |
| Afdal | but it's separate | 16:34 |
| Afdal | So how would you set up a service with non-root users | 16:34 |
| Afdal | if I wanted to do that... | 16:34 |
| gnarface | it would be nice if timidity could just get audio group access, but i couldn't figure out a way to do that | 16:35 |
| Afdal | what is even the difference, security-wise | 16:35 |
| Afdal | why wouldn't I normally run sshd as non-root for example... | 16:35 |
| gnarface | well sshd needs to do stuff only root should have access to | 16:36 |
| gnarface | audio device access however, is already granted to anyone in the audio group | 16:37 |
| gnarface | not sure exactly what you're asking, but making everyone run their midi clients as root doesn't seem secure to me at all, so it can only improve | 16:38 |
| gnarface | i guess the short answer is, i don't know, it doesn't seem possible to me without patching the source | 16:39 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm just missing something obvious but nobody else i asked had a better answer either | 16:40 |
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