| UsL | aaah, great. Thanks CueXXIII. I overlooked that. I guess I did way back then and thought it was default or built in. | 00:22 |
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| UsL | okay, so my experience with my declining memory of xfce hasn't been that great so far on Daedalus, but I'll research before I whine again.. | 00:28 |
| UsL | Gnight, and thanks again CueXXIII. | 00:28 |
| rustytaco | xfce working great over here, tho honestly we've mostly moved /testing as /stable feels like revisiting 2005 as old as most packages are upstream :P | 00:45 |
| Sompi | I started using Linux in 2005 and I remember that in Debian-based distros everything just worked... | 01:13 |
| Sompi | Chat Control II is now known as ProtectEU. | 01:16 |
| rwp | Sompi, I also remember that with Debian based distros everything just worked. It's so sad that those are now the good old days. | 01:39 |
| Sompi | Also the times between two new releases of Debian felt like an eternity compared to what it is now. Nowadays new versions come so often that in server use you very quickly notice to be running oldoldstable before the first reboot | 01:41 |
| Sompi | A too fast release cycle definitely worsens the usability of an operating system, at least for me. I don't like updating, something almost breaks and I'm always afraid that the new version is somehow incompatible with my hardware and the developers don't care | 01:49 |
| rustytaco | odd, i run mostly /testing for a very long time, many years and stuff doesnt just break | 01:51 |
| rwp | I take care of a bunch of Ubuntu based systems in production and on average they post a reboot required security patch every two weeks. Mostly the Linux kernel. But also systemd, udev, dbus too. | 01:51 |
| rustytaco | got 99 problems, but thanks to devuan, systemd aint one. | 01:51 |
| Sompi | systemd, rust, wayland | 01:55 |
| debdog | of course things do not "just break". some developers are responsible for changes that causes breaks | 01:56 |
| debdog | like – even – mc, recently | 01:56 |
| debdog | dang, can't even c'n'p the error, have to take a screenshot | 02:03 |
| debdog | https://beggabaur.rocks/Bilder/mc_breaks.png | 02:05 |
| rwp | Breaking changes like that are pretty annoying. | 03:15 |
| rustytaco | im kind of amazed to find people using mc in 21st century really | 03:22 |
| debdog | the worst thing is the terminology. "they" call it "bit rot" but the bits don't rot. it's "new" developers introducing something new without honoring the past or even knwoing the past in detail. | 03:23 |
| debdog | sorry, I thought we were in #devuan-offtopic | 03:23 |
| rustytaco | Tho that error seems to be just telling you to rename your config file | 03:25 |
| debdog | that's what I thought. at first. they completely changed the system | 03:26 |
| debdog | go to OT now? | 03:26 |
| debdog | even worse, people not only use mc but they even alter its init system | 03:27 |
| Xenguy | rustytaco, I've always been inclined to try ncurses apps; I like the simplicity of the TUI | 03:54 |
| Xenguy | My file manager is ncurses too | 03:54 |
| Xenguy | Oops, will take it to #devuan-offtopic | 03:55 |
| Xenguy | rustytaco, /join #devuan-offtopic, or don't = ) | 03:56 |
| c4melia | hii | 14:56 |
| c4melia | devuan is so cool | 14:56 |
| c4melia | i was upset my vps provider only provided ISO for systemd-based distros, but then I stumbled on the devuan page that shows how to migrate from debian to devuan | 14:57 |
| c4melia | i am very very grateful, lots of love to the devs <3 | 14:57 |
| plasma41 | c4melia: :-) | 15:22 |
| paculino | Migrating is great | 23:39 |
| Xenguy | Especially when it works ; -) | 23:46 |
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