| systemdlete | thanks davesp. Do you know if the linux modules are documented somewhere? Or is the documentation just the source code? | 05:16 |
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| Afdal | So uh, xfce4-weather-plugin is busted without an update | 11:21 |
| Afdal | Could someone get this in backports please :) | 11:21 |
| Afdal | https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2025-March/038447.html | 11:22 |
| fsmithred | nws changed their address again? What is it? If it's like the time before when the weather plugin stopped working, it's just a matter of changing a URL in a file. | 11:25 |
| fsmithred | I think I've done it locally a couple of times in the last 5 years or so. | 11:26 |
| fsmithred | It would be up to the package maintainer to fix the packages. That would be debian. | 11:27 |
| amarsh04 | I've had trouble finding a weather plasmoid for KDE Plasma that has local temperatures, the latest replacement gets delayed temperatures from the BBC World Service | 12:11 |
| fsmithred | did you try weather-util? | 12:14 |
| fsmithred | you can set up conky to use that | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | gkrellm has a weather plugin, too. I don't know if that's still working. | 12:15 |
| amarsh04 | checking on weather-util in a minute | 12:22 |
| CueXXIII | weather-util's description sounds a bit america-centric :( | 12:56 |
| davesp | systemdlete AFAIK, "diskfilter" is compiled into Grub, but I'm not an expert on diskfilter or Grub. | 15:50 |
| systemdlete | hibernate and suspend work fine from command line. But clicking either one either from the menu logout or from the action menu choices does not work, and makes the system sort of hang for a long time. | 17:30 |
| systemdlete | I searched for this issue and it looks like nearly all of the hits have something to say about systemd, so I wonder if this is more collateral damage from the same. | 17:31 |
| systemdlete | But maybe there is a simple solution to this. I can use the command line, but it would be sweet to be able to use the gui options | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | CueXXIII, "zgrep Moscow /usr/share/weather-util/stations.gz" gives me five hits. | 17:32 |
| systemdlete | this is on daedalus, on hardware (not VM!), with the xfce4-power-manager installed (or not, with the same result) | 17:32 |
| fsmithred | only one of those hits is in the US. Others are in Russia. | 17:34 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: might be the login manager or the permissions backend or one of a couple optional sub-components thereof i think | 17:34 |
| systemdlete | omg | 17:34 |
| * systemdlete gives self major headslap. | 17:34 | |
| systemdlete | the power manager options all say "do nothing" | 17:34 |
| systemdlete | which might neatly explain this... | 17:35 |
| systemdlete | sorry to distract anyone | 17:35 |
| systemdlete | I'll try enabling these and see if I get anywhere. Still, clicking a button that is set to "do nothing" should not make the system "hang" for a long time. | 17:36 |
| systemdlete | well, that made no difference... that might just be for the hardware switch on the physical box. | 17:39 |
| systemdlete | and it only offers "hibernate" or "suspend" as choices. No hybrid and no option for suspend. | 17:40 |
| * systemdlete takes back that headslap | 17:40 | |
| systemdlete | gnarface, I think you may be on to something, because I launch the desktop from shell after booting up and logging in. | 17:41 |
| gnarface | oh, no login manager? | 17:42 |
| systemdlete | (why -- why? because, in the past, some of my systems have given me problems if I launched into a LM. But that might be because I picked a LM that was not compat with xfce) | 17:42 |
| systemdlete | do I have to do LM? | 17:42 |
| gnarface | no, but those buttons will only work without one if you're running Xorg as root | 17:43 |
| systemdlete | oh boy | 17:43 |
| systemdlete | so this is lots of fun then | 17:43 |
| systemdlete | so, I guess enable xorg to start at boot? | 17:44 |
| systemdlete | so it will be running when I manually launch startx or startxfce? | 17:44 |
| systemdlete | (I realize that my questions are probably, like, unix 101) | 17:45 |
| systemdlete | now the system is unresponsive... or at least the desktop will not accept kb or mouse. And if I switch away to another system and back to it (using my kvms) the monitor doesn't sync back to that system. Yet, while all this was going on, I could see that the clock was updating and the other windows were busy outputting their programs. | 17:52 |
| systemdlete | I tried to remotely login to the system, and port 22 was not responding. | 17:53 |
| gnarface | well, there might be some other way to change it so that you don't need to be root to shutdown/hibernate/sleep, or maybe you can run some daemon or toolbar or something other than a login manager as root to hold access for you | 17:53 |
| systemdlete | something somewhere in that system is working very hard and stealing everyone else's CPU I think | 17:53 |
| gnarface | hmm, theoretically the window manager could take care of this | 17:54 |
| systemdlete | gnarface, running x11 as root is not an issue for me. | 17:54 |
| systemdlete | (I would think so, yes) | 17:54 |
| gnarface | the version of enlightenment in daedalus should in fact take care of it, but depends on dbus (not sure if you care) | 17:55 |
| systemdlete | seems that dbus is running already anyway | 17:55 |
| systemdlete | It is set as a default app in the startup options, and checked | 17:55 |
| systemdlete | note that I cannot use "remove" application in the startup options, prob for the same reason: no x11 running as root, and it is trying to modify a system-wide option, right? But no courtesy of a popup dialog telling me that I can't do that... | 17:56 |
| gnarface | not sure | 17:57 |
| gnarface | you're using xfce? | 17:58 |
| systemdlete | on that system, yes | 17:58 |
| systemdlete | Can't get monitor sync there, can't ssh in... warm boot via pushing hardware button, unless you have one more idea first | 18:00 |
| systemdlete | (It's ok, bc it's my testbox) | 18:00 |
| systemdlete | bbs coffee | 18:02 |
| systemdlete | back | 18:20 |
| systemdlete | interesting. so I clicked the power button on the box (under a second, quick click) and now when I switch back to the system in question, I see the desktop again. So it is syncing. But it appears frozen... the display looks grayed out sort of | 18:22 |
| systemdlete | it's like it has done only half of the work of hibernating, maybe not even getting as far as writing the system to disk, idk. | 18:23 |
| systemdlete | but rather than guessing, I am going to reboot the box, ensure that x11 is running at login, and try again. | 18:24 |
| systemdlete | gnarface, you were right. I installed slim, dpkg-reconfigure'd it, rebooted, and now the power menu options work as expected. | 19:11 |
| systemdlete | But... having to run a DM in order to get that functionality? Without so much as the courtesy of a dialog to inform the user what is going on in the case of failure for these buttons to work? | 19:12 |
| gnarface | :( | 19:13 |
| systemdlete | and then there is the issue of how nut will work with it. Hopefully, that is simpler. | 19:13 |
| gnarface | xfce may have some sort of optional toolbar or plugin you can install to make it work instead of a DM | 19:13 |
| systemdlete | I can tolerate a DM since I have to login at some point anyway (unless autologin is set) | 19:14 |
| systemdlete | the plugin, xfce4-power-manager-plugin, is installed as a dependency of xfce4-power-manager | 19:14 |
| systemdlete | not sure if there is another one. Or maybe... maybe I need to try a different desktop altogether | 19:15 |
| systemdlete | this issue dates back to at least 2013, where I see a lot of posts about it. | 19:15 |
| fsmithred | did slim pull in some polkit stuff? | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | My xfce power buttons work if I get in with startx instead of a dm | 19:18 |
| fsmithred | I don't have power-manager-plugin, just the manager and manager-data packages | 19:20 |
| systemdlete | oh intersting. I get in using startxfce4. Maybe that is the issue. | 19:21 |
| fsmithred | I'll try it | 19:22 |
| systemdlete | thanks. apt depends slim doesn't show policykit, but it does show dbus and consolekit libpam-elogind | 19:23 |
| fsmithred | nope. buttons are still good. | 19:23 |
| systemdlete | so you get working buttons even if you start the desktop from startxfce4? | 19:24 |
| systemdlete | fsmithred, is that what you meant? | 19:35 |
| systemdlete | I just disabled slim, rebooted and logged in, ran startx | 19:36 |
| systemdlete | there's no more hanging, but the buttons do not seem to do anything | 19:36 |
| systemdlete | oops | 19:37 |
| systemdlete | I meant to ask you, you get working buttons even if you start the desktop from startx? | 19:37 |
| systemdlete | (not startxfce4, that was the whole point... ) | 19:37 |
| systemdlete | sadly, the box is now hanging again, after resyncing the monitor to that box via the kvms | 19:38 |
| systemdlete | so, it still hangs, even starting it with startx | 19:38 |
| Afdal | I see xfce4-weather-plugin is in ceres already | 19:49 |
| Afdal | v0.11.3 | 19:49 |
| Afdal | Can we get it in backports too :) | 19:49 |
| Afdal | or not even backports, how about moving it to regular stable releases >.> | 19:53 |
| Afdal | Because it's gonna be broken for a long time for people otherwise | 19:53 |
| systemdlete | Afdai: +1 | 19:54 |
| systemdlete | Afdal, +1 | 19:54 |
| davesp | systemdlete: Are there no clues in any /var/log/* files? | 22:28 |
| systemdlete | davesp: thanks for the head kick. I forget about many of the resources available for figuring things out. thanks | 22:57 |
| davesp | No worries; don't forgot to also look for $HOME logs, such as ".xsession*". | 23:17 |
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