| darwin | on family's main Devuan PC, slim 'failed to execute login command'. The spare PC won't start slim because isn't default (I stopped lightdm) | 05:50 |
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| darwin | i set slim to default, but on the main one still 'failed to execute login command' | 06:00 |
| gnarface | darwin: you're getting that message after trying to log in? what happens if you use F1 to select a window manager first? | 06:28 |
| gnarface | darwin: make sure your user is also in the "video" group | 06:30 |
| debdog | hmm. sead vs. elogind? | 06:31 |
| debdog | *seatd | 06:31 |
| gnarface | judging by the search results, there can be quite a few possible causes for this error | 06:31 |
| gnarface | and it seems to have a long history on both linux and bsd | 06:32 |
| rrq | darwin: did you checck /etc/slim.conf for what the login command is? | 06:47 |
| darwin | the problem was Devuan changed something such as /home/user2 owner:group user1:user1 | 09:23 |
| fsmithred | Family computer? Are there kids involved? Check root's command history. | 09:27 |
| darwin | yes; no kids | 12:04 |
| darwin | deadbeef audio player is listed in apt-get but says it can't be installed due to dependencies which can't either | 12:39 |
| gnarface | make sure your sources.list is complete | 12:39 |
| darwin | i think it is | 12:40 |
| gnarface | pkginfo.devuan.org doesn't list it, are you sure it is part of devuan? | 12:41 |
| darwin | i guess I got it from http://deadbeef.sourceforge.io and/or http://launchpad.net/~spvkgn/+archive/ubuntu/deadbeef | 12:45 |
| gnarface | packages for other distros can have compatibility issues in the dependencies, that's why we advise against using them | 12:46 |
| darwin | most on second link give no instructions | 12:46 |
| darwin | the first says it's universal .deb package | 12:46 |
| gnarface | make sure it doesn't depend on any of these: http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 12:49 |
| darwin | it doesn't depend on systemd, etc. | 12:49 |
| gnarface | it probably still cares about versions of stuff | 12:50 |
| darwin | it says it depends on ibavcodec58 libavformat58 libavutil56 libdispatch0 libflac8 deadbeef-gtk3 / deadbeef-gtk2 but these aren't installable or won't be installed | 12:50 |
| darwin | i can still install deadbeef-static which may not get updated | 12:51 |
| gnarface | which release are you on? | 12:51 |
| darwin | 5 | 12:51 |
| darwin | 5.01 in fact | 12:51 |
| gnarface | those package versions correspond to 4 | 12:53 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Elibavcodec58%24&x=submit | 12:53 |
| darwin | i see; I guess they're only updating these for 'ubuntu' then | 12:53 |
| gnarface | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/policy-query.html?c=package&q=%5Elibavutil56%24&x=submit | 12:53 |
| gnarface | you might be able to install those packages from 4 and get it to work | 12:54 |
| darwin | would that be safer than trying ubuntu versions? | 12:54 |
| gnarface | probably not, but i don't know. just make sure it doesn't say it will remove anything. | 12:55 |
| darwin | i forgot how to do that; I don't use Devuan/Debian much other than maintaining family PC | 12:55 |
| darwin | ok | 12:55 |
| gnarface | apt-get -t chimaera install libavutil56 | 12:55 |
| gnarface | but you will have to have chimaera lines in your sources.list too | 12:56 |
| gnarface | it might be safer to set up a chroot or a vm to run chimaera, so you can keep your daedalus install uncorrupted | 12:56 |
| darwin | it's not worth it for one minor program--I don't think they even use it | 12:57 |
| gnarface | yes, i'm sure you can find plenty of working audio players already in the repo... | 12:58 |
| darwin | it has many more dependencies | 13:08 |
| darwin | what do I change this to: deb cdrom:[Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914]/ | 13:22 |
| darwin | i added one for ISO but want this line correct also | 13:24 |
| darwin | it was over USB though | 13:24 |
| darwin | i only use CD/DVDs on classic P3/686 | 13:25 |
| darwin | i notice Debian is 'deprecating large amount of stuff people still use', like on every installation I now have 10+ PPAs saying 'NO_PUBKEY' that should just work the way they used to but you have to manually | 13:32 |
| darwin | 'deprecating' | 13:32 |
| gnarface | darwin: PPAs are from ubuntu, those are still also uncompatible with devuan | 14:11 |
| gnarface | as for the iso line in the sources.list, try "apt-cdrom add" | 14:14 |
| hacksenwerk | Are users allowed to release their self created devuan variations with the term devuan in the name? | 16:06 |
| hacksenwerk | For example: devuan5foobar | 16:07 |
| hacksenwerk | devuan5foobar.iso | 16:08 |
| hacksenwerk | hostname devuan5foobar | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | hacksenwerk, it would be better not to do that to avoid confusion. | 17:10 |
| golinux | Not a good idea IMO | 17:13 |
| fsmithred | and then there's this (from the footer of devuan.org) "Devuan is a registered trademark of the Dyne.org foundation. Debian is a registered trademark of Software in the Public Interest, Inc. Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds." | 17:13 |
| golinux | Ha! I just copied that to post here! | 17:14 |
| fsmithred | but feel free to say it's a re-spin of devuan that uses devuan repos. | 17:15 |
| golinux | List of Devuan Derivatives https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=9 | 17:16 |
| golinux | You are not the first to want to make it your own. | 17:17 |
| darwin | after I disable a bunch of services in rcconf and restart, most are reenabled :( | 17:22 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: sure but theres also linux is a registred trademark... | 17:25 |
| hacksenwerk | and how many isos do we have with linux in their names... | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but everyone uses that if they use linux kernel | 17:26 |
| fsmithred | I haven't looked at their license but it's probably allowed | 17:26 |
| hacksenwerk | and my iso uses devuan, it __is__ devuan, just customized | 17:26 |
| hacksenwerk | same repos, same kernel | 17:27 |
| hacksenwerk | based on an offical devuan iso | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | darwin, I don't know rcconf but I always have good luck using sysv-rc-conf | 17:27 |
| fsmithred | hacksenwerk, same with most of the derivative distros | 17:27 |
| hacksenwerk | there are some of them using devuan in the name: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=9 | 17:28 |
| hacksenwerk | anyway ill find a way | 17:29 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: but can you tell me where to change the headline in the live boot menu? i cant find it in any file located in /usr/lib/refractasnapshot/iso/isolinux | 17:30 |
| hacksenwerk | Because that headline always says devuan foobar | 17:30 |
| hacksenwerk | it is not affected by chnaging the hostname | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | you can set the config file to let you edit the boot menu | 17:31 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: yes I know, but its not there | 17:31 |
| hacksenwerk | the first headline you see when the live iso runs | 17:31 |
| hacksenwerk | the big one on the top | 17:31 |
| fsmithred | I guess that is hard-coded in the isolinux menu | 17:32 |
| hacksenwerk | ouch! | 17:32 |
| hacksenwerk | so there we have a tradmark problem then mister! >:D | 17:33 |
| hacksenwerk | ;) | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | does it say devuan or liv-iso? | 17:33 |
| hacksenwerk | wait | 17:33 |
| fsmithred | not in refractasnapshot | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | It says: GNU/Devuan Daedalus 5.0.1 Minimal | 17:34 |
| darwin | thanks | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | So that is something i once set | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | oh, the minimal-live does have its own splash screen | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | But I already changed that | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: no its not the minmal live. | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | argh | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | i dont use devuan minimal live anymore | 17:34 |
| hacksenwerk | i always use the devuan netinstaller as a base to create my own live | 17:35 |
| hacksenwerk | always | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | isolinux/menu.cfg | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | menu title Live Media | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ that's the default | 17:36 |
| hacksenwerk | That line: GNU/Devuan Daedalus 5.0.1 Minimal I put it in /etc/issue but the content of /etc/issue is already different, but headline in live boot menu is tsill this | 17:36 |
| fsmithred | what are you calling headline? Is that something different from menu title? | 17:37 |
| hacksenwerk | 17:31 < hacksenwerk> the first headline you see when the live iso runs | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | menu title or boot entry? | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | menu title | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | isolinux/menu.cfg | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | its there | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | damn i missed it... | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | sorry | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | to.many.file.confusing | 17:38 |
| hacksenwerk | what about using Dev1 instead in the name? | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | also, if you are upgrading the system to get new software before making the snapshot, it's no longer 5.0.1 | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | that also gets used in official capacity | 17:40 |
| hacksenwerk | I just want to be transparent to the users, so they know what they get | 17:40 |
| hacksenwerk | what then? | 17:40 |
| fsmithred | maybe you can expect them to read more than the boot menu or the iso name | 17:41 |
| hacksenwerk | BasedOnADistributionThatForkedDebianAndRemovedSystemD-foobar ? | 17:41 |
| hacksenwerk | oh no wait i have to remove Debian from that name.... | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | lol | 17:41 |
| hacksenwerk | :) | 17:41 |
| fsmithred | brb | 17:42 |
| hacksenwerk | BasedOnAForkOfAMajorDistributionOfAMonoliticOpenSourceOperatingSystemKernelBasedOSNamedLikeAnAnimalFromAfricaThatRemovedSystemD-MyPersonal2centhere | 17:45 |
| hacksenwerk | thats it! | 17:45 |
| hacksenwerk | easy to memorize | 17:45 |
| hacksenwerk | .iso | 17:45 |
| hacksenwerk | xp | 17:45 |
| hacksenwerk | Ok I got a name | 17:54 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: thx for the help with the menu title | 17:55 |
| hacksenwerk | the same partion can be mounted to two different mountpoints?! o0 | 18:07 |
| hacksenwerk | the block device swapped and i accidentaly mounted my running / to /mnt | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that can get a little weird | 18:07 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: lol | 18:07 |
| hacksenwerk | ive never seen that | 18:07 |
| fsmithred | another fun trick is to use partition labels to mount and have two disks with some of the same lablels. | 18:11 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: :) I think best would be to use UUID | 18:12 |
| hacksenwerk | The arm isos are unoffical | 18:14 |
| hacksenwerk | Does the project offer the users a bit space for their custom isos to store? | 18:15 |
| hacksenwerk | So people can download it from devuan.org instead of any third party website? | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if there are storage limits on git.devuan.org | 18:15 |
| fsmithred | devuan doesn't host any re-spin distros | 18:16 |
| hacksenwerk | ok | 18:16 |
| hacksenwerk | I would probably put it on some file hoster but I dont like the idea that they can manipulate the iso. Maybe posting the checksums in the forum thread would be the way to go then? | 18:17 |
| hacksenwerk | When people are interested I will use a own server for it. | 18:18 |
| hacksenwerk | After some time of getting feedback. | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | posting a file with sha256sum and a gpg-signed copy of the checksum file is sufficient | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | posting the checksums on the forum is a good idea too | 18:18 |
| hacksenwerk | yeah but hosting it on my own would be safer | 18:19 |
| hacksenwerk | ok to be really safe i would have to host a dedicated server at home... | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | uh, having your own server is not necessarily safer | 18:19 |
| hacksenwerk | fsmithred: forum staff could change the checksums too (I dont say they would) | 18:19 |
| fsmithred | ibiblio.org is a pretty good site | 18:20 |
| hacksenwerk | just in general: host your own stuff on servers you can control | 18:20 |
| hacksenwerk | even a rented server with ssh and self installed os (dedicated or virtual) can not be trust. | 18:22 |
| hacksenwerk | but allow incoming traffic to your homenetwork is also not that nice... ^_^' | 18:23 |
| hacksenwerk | second isp contact with extra router only for server(s) would be possible. but then you have double the costs... | 18:23 |
| hacksenwerk | *contract | 18:23 |
| plasma41 | hacksenwerk: Nominative fair use is a thing, BTW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use | 20:52 |
| hacksenwerk | plasma41: feel free to addit. its open source :p | 21:04 |
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