| onefang | Anyone know how to get pidgin notifications to actually work? | 04:25 |
|---|---|---|
| onefang | I mean pop up tiny windows with peoples messages in them. | 04:26 |
| rwp | I remember those popups and needing to explicitly bock them from grabbing keyboard input focus or they would pop up just as I typed something and hit return. | 04:27 |
| onefang | How do I even get them to pop up at all? | 04:28 |
| rwp | Well... I rather remember that just happening. So I am not going to be much help. | 04:29 |
| rwp | Maybe do the reverse of this article? https://digitizor.com/how-to-disable-popup-bubble-notifications-in-pidgin-messenger/ | 04:30 |
| onefang | Tried with that turned on and off, makes no difference, still nothing. | 04:31 |
| rustyaxe | is pidgin still maintained? | 04:32 |
| onefang | Oh, maybe I skipped the "restart" step? | 04:32 |
| * onefang tries the restart step. BRB | 04:33 | |
| rwp | onefang, Well? Did it work? | 04:35 |
| onefang | Think that worked. lol | 04:35 |
| rwp | onefang, I'll give you another highlight to test it out. | 04:35 |
| onefang | Seem to be only getting the private messages and buddy logins / outs. | 04:39 |
| onefang | Oh hang on, those popups are from the other chat client I'm using for testing. lol | 04:43 |
| gnarface | i think it needs some gtk library that may not be installed by default | 04:45 |
| onefang | Which one though? | 04:45 |
| gnarface | i don't remember, something that works with compositor overlays, i think | 04:46 |
| onefang | So not something that is directly depon | 04:46 |
| onefang | So not something that is directly a dependency? | 04:46 |
| gnarface | i guess not? | 04:47 |
| n4dir | apt-cache sure shows quite some plugins for pidgin, say *-guification. And the article mentions libnotify. | 04:47 |
| gnarface | if it's using the mechanism i think it's using anyway, i remember having to go after it a long time a long time ago so that notifications from roccat tools would also work, and then whatever it was has just persisted through updates | 04:48 |
| onefang | The main problem with the guification plugin is light blue text on white background. | 04:48 |
| gnarface | libnotify might be part of it | 04:48 |
| onefang | Got that installed. | 04:48 |
| gnarface | hmm | 04:49 |
| gnarface | unfortunately i didn't bother to create a Depends field for my quick+dirty build of roccat-tools | 04:50 |
| * onefang restarts it again. | 04:52 | |
| n4dir | looking around a bit, not really a clue, the web says explicitly, or seems to, pidgin popups require piding-libnotify, not only libnotify, and that package seems gone on ubuntu and i sure don't find it with apt-cache or apt-file | 04:53 |
| onefang | Ah, frankenDevuan strikes. Very unusual for me. lol | 04:55 |
| rwp | It might be from an older version now upgraded? | 04:56 |
| onefang | pidgin-libnotify was from ASCII, everything else from Daedalus. | 04:57 |
| n4dir | ah. | 04:57 |
| rwp | You might try notify-send -t 5 hello testing testing and see if it pops up a bubble as a test of libnotify. | 04:57 |
| onefang | Let's see if Yep, that worked. | 04:59 |
| n4dir | onefang: well, the ubuntu guy claims it works with using an old deb of pidgin-libnotify. | 04:59 |
| onefang | Now to restart again, see if removing the old pidgin-libnotify does anything. Maybe it's built in now? | 04:59 |
| rwp | I have used that with my own ad-hoc notification scripts, before switching to i3 where I don't have them supported now. | 04:59 |
| rwp | onefang, And a test ping for you. | 05:00 |
| onefang | Stopped working completely now. lol | 05:02 |
| n4dir | onefang: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1232938/pidgin-missing-libnotify-plugin-on-ubuntu-20-04 | 05:02 |
| n4dir | might wanna glance over it, very short, in the middle they also mention the pidgin website for plugins and "better" notifications systems now | 05:03 |
| onefang | Reading it now. | 05:03 |
| n4dir | say purple-libnotify+ here: https://pidgin.im/plugins/ | 05:03 |
| onefang | BRB again. | 05:08 |
| * n4dir enjoys the memories of pidgin, really liked it | 05:10 | |
| onefang | Could someone send me a test private message please? | 05:16 |
| onefang | That worked. Sooo I get popups from buddies coming and going, and for private messages. Just not here. Those are the important ones at least. | 05:19 |
| n4dir | still need that test private message? | 05:20 |
| onefang | fluffywolf provided it for me. | 05:20 |
| rwp | onefang, I will give you a highlight. Boop! | 05:22 |
| onefang | Do that again, I wasn't paying attention. | 05:23 |
| onefang | Enough screwing with the pidgin. Time for other work now. | 05:31 |
| onefang | Or break time. B-) | 05:32 |
| rwp | onefang, Ping! As I close the laptop and relocate. BBIAB | 05:45 |
| onefang | Got a notification for that one. B-) | 05:47 |
| rwp | onefang, Pong! Landed after relocation. | 06:18 |
| onefang | Welcome back rwp, and I still got a notification for that. Thanks. | 06:19 |
| rwp | Do you get one for every message? Or just if your nick is highlighted? | 06:19 |
| onefang | Just the nick highlighting by the look of it. | 06:20 |
| paculino | Has anyone else had trouble with ssh into git.devuan repos today? | 07:28 |
| onefang | I've not tried it today. | 07:28 |
| rrq | doesn't seem to be any issue | 07:33 |
| rrq | still a problem? | 07:33 |
| rrq | hmm I see an error log entry for you at 6:35 | 07:37 |
| rrq | hmm hmm a package name starting with dot? | 07:38 |
| paculino | I had some trouble with ssh publickey, but the git irc helped me and I worked around it with https instead of git@ | 07:41 |
| rrq | nw | 07:49 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | waaaasuuuup | 08:19 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | is there stage3 rootfs tarball for devuan? I want to use it in LXC | 08:19 |
| gnarface | if there is one for debian, it would probably be in the same place in the devuan repos | 08:20 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | debootstrap/stable,stable-backports 1.0.134devuan2 all | 08:26 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | yes | 08:26 |
| drizzt | hi | 13:37 |
| drizzt | what is a "stage 3" rootfs ? | 13:37 |
| fsmithred | should be a root filesystem tarball made from debootstrap, stage 3 | 13:40 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure what stage 3 or even stage 2 of debootstrap actually does. I just do stage 1 and then chroot to make changes. | 13:40 |
| fsmithred | And the link that was provided does not lead to a rootfs tarball. | 13:41 |
| fsmithred | gentoo is normally installed by starting with a rootfs tarball. See any of their docs for full explanations. | 13:42 |
| drizzt | I know well stage 1 and stage 2 | 13:43 |
| fsmithred | oh, then maybe there is no stage 3? | 13:44 |
| drizzt | when your target has the same arch as your host, you usually do stage1 (decompression) + stage2 (configuration fo packages) in one step | 13:44 |
| drizzt | but for a foreign arch, you cannot run the stage 2 on the host | 13:45 |
| drizzt | so you perform a debootstrap --foreign | 13:45 |
| drizzt | on host | 13:45 |
| drizzt | and the on target, you boot with init=/bin/bash and then run debootstrap --second-stage | 13:46 |
| drizzt | *then | 13:46 |
| fsmithred | thanks for that explanation | 13:46 |
| drizzt | I created this page with the details here : http://wiki.nathael.net/index.php/Dev/Embedded/Rootfs/Devuan/FromScratch | 13:47 |
| fsmithred | nice | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | debootstrap man page says nothing about stage 3 | 13:49 |
| drizzt | fsmithred: it did not use to say anything about stage 2 either when I used it for the first time, maybe 10 or 15 years ago | 13:50 |
| drizzt | but I never used debootstrap for anything like a "stage 3" | 13:51 |
| drizzt | once stage 2 is over you get a running system, and the config to be done is up to your specific needs | 13:52 |
| drizzt | I have a built a list of what needs to be tunned recently, though I did not share it on my public wiki yet | 13:53 |
| drizzt | it has links to many other pages on my private wiki for specific configurations for the different boards I use, so it would not be a simple copy-paste :( | 13:55 |
| drizzt | but it's about stuff like setting the hostname in /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts, setting up network configuration, fstab, udev specific rules, apt rules, ssh config, skel tunning, ... | 13:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | how to change bash commands from spanish to english ? | 16:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | man , commands , answers , etc | 16:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | i remember its with locales | 16:50 |
| rustyaxe | /etc/default/locale | 16:52 |
| rustyaxe | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 16:52 |
| rustyaxe | si what i have | 16:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | thnaks | 16:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | mee too | 16:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | # File generated by update-locale | 16:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 | 16:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | #LANG=en_US.utf8 | 16:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | and my terminal anwer by spanish | 16:54 |
| debdog | AlexLikeRock: I am not quite certain but probably: dpkg-reconfigure locales | 17:47 |
| debdog | but then, this probably alters /etc/default/locale | 17:48 |
| gnarface | yes, the debianized tool for this is dpkg-reconfigure | 17:48 |
| gnarface | (though behind the scenes it may just call update-locale from a ncurses wrapper, i don't know for sure) | 17:49 |
| chomwitt | why in daedalus inserint a flash drive in a usbport would create segfaults from colors-sane ? | 18:38 |
| chomwitt | /s/inserint/inserting | 18:38 |
| rwp | I recommend that the system question always answer with None so that it uses the standard POSIX locale. Makes searching for error messages and responses easier. | 18:39 |
| rwp | For the locale setting ^^ that is. | 18:39 |
| rwp | In scripts and programs I almost always set LC_ALL=C in order to get the standard POSIX locale for the same reason. | 18:39 |
| gnarface | chomwitt: odd behavior, but i would have to assume something related to your scanner setup that is searching for something on new disks? seems weird... | 18:39 |
| rwp | That is an odd problem from sane that it would be segfaulting, and if it were me I would block it from automatically probing upon USB insertion. Usually Desktop Environments have a settings section with configuration about what to do when things happen and I would configure that off. | 18:41 |
| chomwitt | gnarface: i found a 7 years old discussion 'plugging a usb device wakes up network printer' ! | 18:41 |
| rwp | That's totally crazy. But people who use computers *want* crazy things. And so they make it so. | 18:41 |
| gnarface | chomwitt: yikes! do you possibly have avahi-daemon installed? | 18:42 |
| chomwitt | yes | 18:42 |
| gnarface | it's a common culprit for those types of shenanigans | 18:43 |
| gnarface | also known for doing stuff like reconfiguring your network when you hotplug an ethernet cable | 18:44 |
| chomwitt | the most irritating is that it wond allow me to plug the usb flash! | 18:44 |
| chomwitt | s/wond/wont | 18:44 |
| gnarface | you can just uninstall it, it's not required to have it | 18:44 |
| chomwitt | gnarface: i will try that. it just that it makes me nervous when something breaks when i dont remember having such an issue. | 18:45 |
| gnarface | chomwitt: well, hopefully you weren't relying on it. it might have helped you set up your printer/scanners automatically and stuff like that | 18:46 |
| gnarface | it's an implementation of Apple's Bonjour protocol, or an attempt at it anyway | 18:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | locales , aren't install -.- | 18:51 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: apt-get install locales | 18:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, done | 18:52 |
| chomwitt | the issue was created by epsonscan2 . An utility that i downloaded from epson. | 19:06 |
| chomwitt | the issue was happening even with avahi removed | 19:06 |
| gnarface | yikes, 3rd party software misbehavior | 19:06 |
| Xenguy | chomwitt, How did you find the culprit? | 19:07 |
| gnarface | maybe it can simply be disabled? | 19:07 |
| gnarface | maybe you can just tell it to stop snooping on your disks | 19:07 |
| rwp | When I read "utility that i downloaded from epson" it triggers a panic attack for me. | 19:07 |
| chomwitt | The moment i removed epsonscan2 i could insert a usb disk without colord-sane messages in my system log | 19:08 |
| chomwitt | rwp: :-) | 19:08 |
| gnarface | well, maybe put avahi-daemon back to restore expected behavior | 19:11 |
| gnarface | though i never use it here, personally | 19:11 |
| chomwitt | gnarface: yes. it seems i lost my printer.. | 19:12 |
| rwp | Companies employ people. Pay them money. And expect to get return from that expense. And so the people who have never written software before, never had a code review before, produce a "product" for the company and ship it. But they don't use the software themselves. It was just a one-off production. It satisfied management that they had done something. | 19:13 |
| gnarface | chomwitt: it can be manually configured just fine, but if you were happy with avahi-daemon you might as well keep it | 19:13 |
| rwp | I always remove avahi too. It does not do anything that I want to have done. It feels like a security risk to me. | 19:13 |
| rwp | But a lot of people have it installed since it is part of a default installation. | 19:14 |
| n4dir | i tried a few times to stop it, but to no avail, so usually i remove it | 19:18 |
| n4dir | otoh here a wee-bit of avahi-lib-stuff is installed, but the output of ps_mem.py doesn't list it. No clue. pretty sure i had the problem, and more than once | 19:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 20:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | /usr/bin/locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory | 20:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/1334951/ | 20:53 |
| gnarface | you installed locales and ran dpkg-reconfigure locales? | 20:54 |
| gnarface | hmm, weird | 20:55 |
| gnarface | well, maybe install libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 just in case, since that's in the error, though i can't imagine why it'd matter for this... | 20:55 |
| gnarface | only other thing strange i see there is a mismatch between LC_ALL and LANG which seems nonsensical... how did you get dpkg-reconfigure to even let you select that? | 20:56 |
| gnarface | is it possible maybe it's choking on the input of a previous manual edit? | 20:56 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, ran dpkg-reconfigure locales , and choise en_us.... and remove es_mx .... | 20:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | but say error about : | 20:57 |
| gnarface | which release? | 20:58 |
| gnarface | daedalus? sid? | 20:58 |
| gnarface | hmm | 20:58 |
| gnarface | er, i mean ceres | 20:58 |
| gnarface | which release? | 20:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | im back | 20:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | erro : ld.so: | 20:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | daedalus : ,my devuan | 20:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | where they are "ld.so" | 20:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | to run "readlink -f /path/../ld.so | 21:00 |
| AlexLikeRock | must be an erro from simbolik-link | 21:00 |
| AlexLikeRock | gnarface | 21:06 |
| AlexLikeRock | readlink -f /usr/bin/ld | 21:27 |
| AlexLikeRock | /usr/bin/x86_64-linux-gnu-ld.bfd | 21:27 |
| AlexLikeRock | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libgtk3-nocsd.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded (cannot open shared object file): ignored. | 21:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | Error: Timeout was reached | 21:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | export LC_ALL="en_US.UTF-8" | 22:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, one : less | 22:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | juest need : fix "LANGUAGE=" at locale | 22:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | any one can share with me ? | 22:31 |
| gnarface | it's blank here | 22:40 |
| yeti | I see no LANGUAGE here, only LANG | 22:40 |
| yeti | https://termbin.com/m03i | 22:40 |
| gnarface | https://paste.debian.net/1334959/ | 22:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | its fix it | 22:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | thanks | 22:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | next error : | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | ERROR: ld.so: object 'libgtk3-nocsd.so.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | yeti | 22:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | gnarface | 22:44 |
| gnarface | dunno where it's from, try finding the package with apt-file then installing it? | 22:46 |
| rwp | Why do you have LD_PRELOAD set at all? | 22:46 |
| rwp | A quick search tells me this is a bug in PX4-Autopilot, whatever that is. | 22:49 |
| rwp | I also find this: https://manpages.org/gtk3-nocsd | 22:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | rwp how to do ? | 22:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | LD_preload ? | 22:50 |
| rwp | Start by "env |grep LD_PRELOAD" (or alternatively printenv LD_PRELOAD) and see what it says. Then personally I would grep for it in my $HOME until I found where it was set. Then remove it. | 22:51 |
| rwp | This is not something that is part of the Debian/Devuan system. Therefore it must be a customization that you have made in your personal environment. Possibly by installing packages as well and those are also doing things "to help you, for you, to you" too. | 22:52 |
| rwp | Debian's package lists this as the upstream URL for it: https://github.com/PCMan/gtk3-nocsd | 22:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | env |grep LD_PRELOAD | 22:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 | 22:55 |
| rwp | I am guessing that at some time in the past you installed gtk3-nocsd as a package. But now it is stale for some reason and the LD_PRELOAD it is using is dangling pointing to a now not existing libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 library. | 22:55 |
| rwp | If gtk3-nocsd were installed then it Depends: libgtk3-nocsd0 which would install that library. That library is missing. Therefore those must not be installed now. | 22:56 |
| rwp | But the problem left behind is the setting of LD_PRELOAD. You can unset it for a temporary manual workaround. But something must be setting it somewhere. It will just "come back" the next time until you find it. | 22:57 |
| rwp | Though perhaps the easiest thing is to make it work again. Install gtk3-nocsd, let it pull in libgtk3-nocsd, and then it will exist and should work again. | 22:57 |
| rwp | Since I am guessing that you installed it because you wanted to disable Client Side Decorations so that would continue as before then. | 22:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | i install libgtk3-nocsd0 : and the error dont. remove | 22:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | i purge and install againt , and not remove the error | 22:59 |
| rwp | With libgtk3-nocsd0 installed look to see what files it installs "dpkg -L libgtk3-nocsd0 | grep libgtk3-nocsd.so" does the path match LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 ?? | 23:01 |
| AlexLikeRock | dpkg -L libgtk3-nocsd0 | grep libgtk3-nocsd.so | 23:01 |
| AlexLikeRock | dpkg -L libgtk3-nocsd0 | grep libgtk3-nocsd.so | 23:01 |
| AlexLikeRock | /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk3-nocsd.so.0 | 23:01 |
| rwp | Well, that matches. So with it installed the LD_PRELOAD should preload it okay. | 23:02 |
| yeti | dangling lnk? | 23:02 |
| rwp | So next I would double check permissions on the file. I would verify that we are not running under "su" as LD_PRELOADs are disabled in that case. | 23:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | im root now , | 23:03 |
| rwp | Uhm... That's probably the problem. LD_PRELOADs will be disabled if the effective and real uids don't match. | 23:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, thats , why , thanks so much | 23:03 |
| rwp | Otherwise it's a security vulnerability. | 23:04 |
| rwp | So things work when you are you? | 23:04 |
| AlexLikeRock | its, my laptop , of home | 23:04 |
| rwp | So things work when you are you? | 23:04 |
| rwp | I'll reference "man ld.so" for anyone who wants to read up on the security of LD_PRELOAD and why it is disabled when running setuid or su'd or sudo'd. | 23:08 |
| rwp | BBIAB | 23:08 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok | 23:11 |
| AlexLikeRock | ld.so how to reinstall to defalt settings | 23:12 |
| AlexLikeRock | reboot | 23:17 |
| emanuel | Hello, I triead to create a pull request on git.devuan.org, but It seems I'm a ghost: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/unattended-upgrades/pulls/1 | 23:25 |
| emanuel | A few minutes after creating my account, it got deleated automatically. Perhaps anyone colud look into that? | 23:26 |
| gnarface | stick around, someone will look into it | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | unattended-upgrades is not a forked package. | 23:35 |
| fsmithred | The page for the pull request says, "This pull request cannot be reopened because the branch was deleted. " | 23:36 |
| fsmithred | looks like we might have forked it for jessie and/or ascii. | 23:37 |
| fsmithred | emanuel, did you register with the same name you're using here? | 23:38 |
| fsmithred | I don't see an account by that name. | 23:38 |
| emanuel | The username was EmanuelLoos | 23:38 |
| emanuel | The mail address was mail@emanuel-loos.eu | 23:39 |
| emanuel | Everytime I try to create that account again, it gets deleted after a few minutes. | 23:39 |
| fsmithred | none of those exist | 23:40 |
| emanuel | I can try again so you can see if logs say anything. | 23:40 |
| emanuel | Should I? | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if I can see logs. I'm on a web interface. | 23:41 |
| emanuel | Oh, I see. | 23:41 |
| fsmithred | did it send you an email to confirm registration? I don't remember if it does that. | 23:41 |
| emanuel | In that case, look at that pull request I made: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/unattended-upgrades/pulls/1 | 23:42 |
| emanuel | And that commit: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/unattended-upgrades/commit/d52d19bf0b3f2c55f6671dfbf963ced5d0caa0dd | 23:42 |
| emanuel | The PR says it was created by the user "Ghost", while the commit rightly states that it was created by me, username "EmanuelLoos" | 23:44 |
| rrq | git.devuan.org is equipped with a "spammer hammer" that apparently finds your registration "spam-ish" ... I'll try to determine why.. | 23:47 |
| rwp | I will guess that it is the domain at the top level .eu level. I know someone at a .eu.org level and is often reporting similar problems. | 23:49 |
| fsmithred | Where did the address emanualloos@noreply.localhost come from? | 23:49 |
| fsmithred | dinner. bbl. | 23:49 |
| emanuel | I dod not put that address in. | 23:49 |
| emanuel | I wrote: mail@emanuel-loos.eu | 23:50 |
| emanuel | It also sent me the email message with the confirmation link to that address. | 23:51 |
| emanuel | .eu and .eu.org are very different, though. | 23:51 |
| emanuel | Perhaps I should mention: I do operate a non-exit tor relay on my IP address. But since it is not an exit, it should not matter, right? It only connects to other tor relays. That said, the IP is still on some weired tor blacklist for that. | 23:53 |
| emanuel | My tor relay: https://metrics.torproject.org/rs.html#details/446D1D542D4893336CAE4ED7C20E0A61C275DC7B | 23:55 |
| emanuel | mx1.emanuel-loos.eu also uses the same IP on IPv4, though I have mx2.emanuel-loos.eu on another IP as well for touse who block that IP. | 23:56 |
| emanuel | (these are my mailservers) | 23:56 |
| rwp | We feel your pain. These problems are a result of the hostile nature of the Internet causing problems requiring mitigations, which are sometimes not perfect and themselves cause problems. | 23:58 |
| emanuel | My mailserver has the same IP as the IP I used to register, because I am operating it at home and I am at home right now. Maybe that is the reason? | 23:58 |
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