| Alverstone | AlexLikeRock_, `cat /etc/apt/sources.list` ? | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| AlexLikeRock_ | ohhh. no ! | 00:01 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | ready Alverstone ? | 00:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | https://paste.debian.net/1334641/ | 00:03 |
| Alverstone | doesn't matter, I rechecked and sledjhamr.org is up to date | 00:03 |
| Alverstone | it's not that bad actually | 00:05 |
| Alverstone | https://paste.debian.net/plain/1334642 | 00:07 |
| Alverstone | But I don't think it's the problem actually | 00:07 |
| Alverstone | But doing so would reduce amount of files downloaded during `apt update` | 00:07 |
| Alverstone | what does `readlink -f /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1` output? | 00:09 |
| onefang | sledjhamr.org better be up to date. B-) | 00:10 |
| Alverstone | onefang, do you run it? O_O | 00:11 |
| onefang | Yep, that's my server. | 00:11 |
| Alverstone | AlexLikeRock_, I think maybe symbolic links got messed up? Where does `readlink -f /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1` point? | 00:13 |
| * onefang gets back to work and checks how all the package mirrors are going today. | 00:13 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | yes, the symbolic link its the problem | 00:14 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | readlink -f /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1.1.0.bak | 00:15 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | -.- | 00:15 |
| Alverstone | ... | 00:16 |
| Alverstone | rm /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1 | 00:16 |
| Alverstone | ln -s /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1.1.0 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so.1 | 00:16 |
| Alverstone | though if you want my opinion, you should use relative links | 00:16 |
| Alverstone | that is | 00:16 |
| Alverstone | cd /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ | 00:17 |
| Alverstone | rm /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libblkid.so. | 00:17 |
| Alverstone | ln -s libblkid.so.1.1.0 libblkid.so.1 | 00:17 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | aptitude install initramfs-tools linux-image-amd64 | 00:17 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 00:17 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | cool | 00:17 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | advence one step more | 00:18 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | now : | 00:18 |
| Alverstone | Using absolute symbolic links will screw your chroots | 00:18 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck: 434: blkid: not found | 00:18 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | yes | 00:18 |
| Alverstone | util-linux | 00:18 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck: 434: blkid: not found | 00:20 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck: 209: blkid: not found | 00:20 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | W: Couldn't identify type of root file system for fsck hook | 00:20 |
| Alverstone | apt install util-linux | 00:21 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | yes | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | working .. | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | dkms: autoinstall for kernel 6.1.0-25-amd64 was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel do not seem to be installed. | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | /etc/kernel/postinst.d/initramfs-tools: | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.1.0-25-amd64 | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/mdadm: 77: /usr/share/mdadm/mkconf: Permission denied | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | : mdadm: failed to auto-generate the mdadm.conf file. | 00:26 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | W: mdadm: please read /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz . | 00:26 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | welll | 00:26 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | another step forward | 00:26 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | no error any more : "/usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/fsck: 434: blkid: not found" | 00:26 |
| Alverstone | why initramfs-hooks? | 00:28 |
| Alverstone | it has nothing to do with util-linux | 00:28 |
| Alverstone | what is the complete output of running `apt install util-linux`? | 00:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | https://paste.debian.net/1334645/ | 00:32 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | not install mdadm | 00:36 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | installing and purge | 00:36 |
| Alverstone | `readlink -f /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmount.so.1` | 00:38 |
| Alverstone | also | 00:38 |
| Alverstone | `gzip -d /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz` | 00:38 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | coool not errors | 00:39 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.142+deb12u1) ... update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.1.0-25-amd64 live-boot: core filesystems devices utils udev blockdev dns. | 00:40 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | yes lib mount | 00:40 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | purge mdadm ... | 00:40 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | dam! | 00:41 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | cool : no errrors to purge | 00:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | readlink -f /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmount.so.1 | 00:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmount.so.1.1.0.bak | 00:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | another | 00:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | gzip -d /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz | 00:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | gzip: /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.upgrading-2.5.3.gz: No such file or directory | 00:42 |
| Alverstone | AlexLikeRock_, yep just purge mdadm | 00:43 |
| Alverstone | apt purge | 00:43 |
| Alverstone | then install it back if you need it | 00:43 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | done : purge . no errors | 00:43 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | i dont need | 00:43 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | rm /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmount.so.1 | 00:43 |
| Alverstone | cd /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu | 00:44 |
| Alverstone | ln -s libmount.so.1.1.0 libmount.so.1 | 00:44 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | not exist /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmount.so.1.1.0 | 00:47 |
| Alverstone | ._o | 00:47 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | but "ln " say , "the file already exists" | 00:48 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | take alook | 00:48 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | a fail at programing | 00:48 |
| Alverstone | ls libmount* | 00:48 |
| Alverstone | ??? | 00:48 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | https://paste.debian.net/1334646/ | 00:48 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | my fail | 00:49 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | done | 00:49 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | now | 00:50 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | what next ? | 00:50 |
| Alverstone | keep trying to update initramfs | 00:50 |
| Alverstone | until it succeedd | 00:50 |
| Alverstone | until it succeeds* | 00:50 |
| Alverstone | /sbin/update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r) | 00:51 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | cool | 00:51 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | generating ... | 00:52 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | finish..... | 00:53 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | non errors! | 00:53 |
| onefang | Yay! | 00:53 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | undate-grub ? | 00:53 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | yes, onefang , finaly !!! | 00:53 |
| onefang | Undating grub would be great. Think you meant update-grub. | 00:53 |
| Alverstone | AlexLikeRock_, that's the neat part | 00:54 |
| Alverstone | update-grub must be run on the system which actually installed the bootloader | 00:54 |
| Alverstone | It is usually outside of chroot | 00:54 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | cool , | 00:54 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | nice one Alverstone ,, the las time , i lost my NEW DEVUAN !!! (-.-)u | 00:55 |
| onefang | Reminds me, I need to replace grub on my test computer with syslinux. | 00:55 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | update-initramfs -c -k $(uname -r) | 00:55 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-6.1.0-25-amd64 | 00:55 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | live-boot: core filesystems devices utils udev blockdev dns. | 00:55 |
| Alverstone | onefang, can syslinux make me a cool background picture line grub? | 00:55 |
| Alverstone | onefang, actually what does liveCD iso use? | 00:56 |
| Alverstone | AlexLikeRock_, updating initramfs on the running system wasn't necessary though | 00:56 |
| onefang | I think it can make a cool background image. | 00:56 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | ok, | 00:56 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | thanks so much Alverstone , | 00:57 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | what contry you are ? | 00:57 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | to send a 12 beer ? | 00:58 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | :-D | 00:58 |
| Alverstone | :) | 00:58 |
| Alverstone | Save it for yourself :) | 00:58 |
| Alverstone | I understand you have booted right? | 00:58 |
| onefang | I really should update Magic Pixie Dust as well. My micro SD card that has over 20 operating systems on it. It's boot image is someone half embedded in a tree, like they live there, like a pixie. | 00:58 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | yes, i take of note of everyting | 00:59 |
| onefang | rrq and fsmithred are the people to talk to about the ISOs. | 00:59 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | bye, lets test | 00:59 |
| Alverstone | I hope he actually boots without issues | 01:00 |
| Alverstone | onefang, Magic Pixie what? | 01:01 |
| Alverstone | Do you mean the Pixie Dust used as an ultimate emacs marco? | 01:02 |
| onefang | Magic Pixie Dust. Coz it's a micro SD card, and it's magic. B-) | 01:02 |
| Alverstone | as the ultimate* | 01:02 |
| onefang | There's over 20 operating systems on it, sure to be several copies of the Emacs operating system on it. | 01:02 |
| onefang | By default it boots into Devuan. | 01:03 |
| Alverstone | https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/real_programmers.png | 01:03 |
| Alverstone | :D | 01:03 |
| onefang | Thought that's what you where getting at. lol | 01:04 |
| Alverstone | somehow this joke doesn't age | 01:05 |
| Alverstone | time to sleep | 01:07 |
| onefang | Sleep well. | 01:08 |
| AlexLikeRock | i just come to say :.... | 01:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | not work :-< | 01:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | alverstone ??? | 01:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | its gone ? | 01:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | im kiding | 01:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | work fine , and loguin normaly to X11 | 01:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | tell him , if you see : onefang fsmithred | 01:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | thanks all | 01:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | bye | 01:25 |
| onefang | That was too easy. I wanted to add IPv6 to my home system. Turned on IPv6 on my router, and everything else just worked. The desktop was already awaiting IPv6 from the router, and the ISP was already supplying it. B-) | 05:11 |
| Alverstone | Are you aware of convenient tools to monitor network activity of a process? Without time gap between the monitored process' startup and the monitor picking it up. | 16:32 |
| Alverstone | Maybe the word 'convenient' was a bit too much, I admit | 16:38 |
| Walex | Alverstone: 'strace -e trace=network'? | 17:16 |
| Walex | Alverstone: depends on what you mean by "network activity" | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | iptraf | 17:41 |
| freem | wireshark/tcpdump? | 17:58 |
| cabin | hi all | 18:28 |
| cabin | I had a question on setting up boot for devuan install. documentation is a bit different than options i am presented with | 18:29 |
| cabin | I want to install devuan, from USB Live onto a a singel devoted drive. | 18:30 |
| cabin | In gparted, do I just try to format the entire partition? Seems that the chosen default is ext4 | 18:31 |
| cabin | then which options do I choose while doing the install. Let it create a boot sector, or just put MBR onto drive, and format -again the installer wants to first show ext4 | 18:32 |
| cabin | and I guess I am all alone here. | 18:33 |
| gnarface | cabin: it's a slow channel, be patient | 18:34 |
| Walex | cabin: the defaults usually work well. | 18:34 |
| cabin | Uh, I have tried creating a boot sector with gparted | 18:34 |
| gnarface | doesn't the live iso just magically do it all? i don't think you even have to touch gparted... | 18:34 |
| cabin | there is one documentation for a grphaical install , and now it asks some questions | 18:35 |
| Walex | cabin: "format the entire partition" and " create a boot sector, or just put MBR onto drive" do not seem entirely clear here. | 18:35 |
| gnarface | just click on the installer icon on the desktop | 18:35 |
| gnarface | or use the netinstall | 18:35 |
| gnarface | you're making this harder than it has to be | 18:35 |
| cabin | I have tried several options, as of now, I have to use gparted, install that finished do not start | 18:36 |
| gnarface | maybe i'm wrong, does the live iso's installer now require you use gparted as part of the setup? i don't remember hearing that was ever the case but i can't say i've tried itmyself... | 18:37 |
| cabin | I am using a Lenovo T480 | 18:37 |
| gnarface | is that a UEFI machine? | 18:37 |
| cabin | It offers gparted, and another, trying to skip over did not work | 18:37 |
| cabin | It can be, but for now , I have UEFI turned off | 18:37 |
| cabin | or should I say, secure boot in bios is turned off, which in another section of bios shows no uefi | 18:38 |
| gnarface | well, it could be related to the issue | 18:38 |
| gnarface | you tried putting the MBR onto the front of the drive? | 18:38 |
| cabin | If I were going to format the entirety of the drive, should I use ext4, and put an MBR on it. | 18:39 |
| gnarface | the MBR can either go onto a partition or onto the drive itself. in your case if this is going to be your only OS on this machine then you want to put it onto the drive itself. aside from that, it doesn't really matter how you partition the rest. | 18:39 |
| gnarface | but that assumes the bios can boot in legacy mode and doesn't require EFI | 18:40 |
| gnarface | off the top of my head i don't know if that's the case for this machine | 18:40 |
| gnarface | but yes, it should be fine to partition the whole drive as ext4 as long as it's legacy booting | 18:41 |
| cabin | well I will try again, thank you for your time. I use this T480 for several LInux Distros , that are legacy boot, I can also install Windows 10 which auto turns on UEFI | 18:41 |
| gnarface | you'll probably want a swap partition too though... | 18:41 |
| gnarface | if you need to boot in EFI mode then you also need some EFI partition somewhere and i think the bios has to help create it, but i'm vague on details | 18:41 |
| cabin | Should in the list of options, I should choose a second partition for use as swap. I think that is a setting that is offered. swap, I recall is twice the amount of ram | 18:42 |
| cabin | There was another graphically installer that apparentlly auto handled this | 18:43 |
| gnarface | it doesn't really have to be, but if you want hibernate to work it should be at least the same size as the ram or bigger | 18:43 |
| gnarface | using zram for swap instead is also an option | 18:44 |
| cabin | I actually only intend to use Devuan to flash another computer with core boot , eventually touse for Qubes, OS, and then I will instal Qubes onto T480, which is what it had on it previouslly | 18:44 |
| gnarface | but then you give up ram instead of harddrive space | 18:44 |
| cabin | I will go to try the options mentioned, which might take awhile. I am glad ofr your help | 18:46 |
| gnarface | stay connected here in case you have questions | 18:46 |
| cabin | Oh unless someone wants to say something about the flash I intend. I intend to use the coreboot flash of bios chips, from dangerousprotypes for a lenovo G505s | 18:47 |
| gnarface | like i said, it's a slow channel, so you should stick around for answers to questions like that | 18:48 |
| gnarface | someone might know something but not read this for a few hours | 18:49 |
| golinux | cabin: Have you checked the instructions on the Devuan website? https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/live-gui | 18:55 |
| golinux | You might also have a look at https://refracta.org/documents.html | 18:56 |
| golinux | fsmithred is mostly afk for a few days . . . | 18:57 |
| golinux | but will help sort things if/when he pops in. | 18:57 |
| Alverstone | iptraf, wireshark, tcpdump are all quite spammy unfortunately. I just want to see which domains an application contacts during its operation | 19:03 |
| gnarface | they have filters | 19:04 |
| Alverstone | By PID? | 19:11 |
| Hurgotron | strace -e trace=network <program> maybe? | 19:14 |
| Alverstone | Hurgotron, output isn't terribly useful unfortunately | 19:16 |
| gnarface | why not? | 19:17 |
| Hurgotron | may need a few more options | 19:17 |
| cabin | gparted addresses the drive as Sda1, offers to install to sdb1 or sdb2, I see error message, failed to channge ownershiop of '/target/dev/console' to root:tty gailed to shange ownerhsip of '/target/dev/ptms the documentation shows a graphcial installer that does not come up, documentation shows installer like a lot of other linux distros installers I have seen | 19:17 |
| gnarface | cabin: first of all make sure you're not trying to partition the live iso you just booted from, and secondly, that documentation you're referring to is most likely talking about one of the regular installers, not the live iso | 19:19 |
| gnarface | cabin: this is probably what you actually want: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso | 19:19 |
| cabin | yes, I will try netinstaller | 19:20 |
| gnarface | it's based on the debian netinstaller and should work almost identically | 19:20 |
| metala | No Devuan question per se. I want to make link aggr/bondage on unmanaged switch. If I set bond0 with balance-rr, I assume it's a single MAC => SW will spill in both ports, defeating the idea. If instead set both interfaces to the same IP, would they start fighting with ARPs? More importantly, would network peers see them as different hosts or would they load balance the packets towards that IP? | 19:23 |
| metala | s/No/Not/ | 19:23 |
| gnarface | metala: i don't off the top of my head know the right answer, but i think the keyword you need to use in your searches for documentation on what you're trying to do is "trunking" and the mystery you're trying to resolve about it that you need ISP support upstream of you to make it work | 19:25 |
| gnarface | and afaik, iproute2 | 19:26 |
| gnarface | unless i misunderstand what you're getting at entirely... | 19:27 |
| metala | gnarface: thanks. I will check the trunking part i nthe documentation. This is more of a local/SOHO thing. My desktop machine (not upgradable) has 2x1GbE and I have 2 machines with 2.5GbE. I will also do some experiments to see what works. | 19:28 |
| gnarface | maybe what you're trying to do is actually like BSD's "CARP" but i'm not sure here... are you trying to make two computers look like one network device or are you trying to get two network connections to act like one network connection? | 19:30 |
| gnarface | ugh, even as i say that my own description fails to parse out those two tasks as distinct | 19:31 |
| gnarface | they are though, there's a fundamental difference but i'm vague on the proper terminology | 19:31 |
| gnarface | there's one thing called trunking or maybe bonding | 19:32 |
| gnarface | that uses two network connections | 19:32 |
| gnarface | then there's this other thing where you set up redundant routers on one network connection, with load-balancing and failover | 19:32 |
| metala | Not an HA scenario, no. It's about throughput. Theoretically, the switches can do that traffic, but on one machine (S1) I have only 2x1GbE NICs. Therefore I can have full-duplex full channel if the 2.5GbE hosts would round-robin the packets to S1 NICs based on MAC. | 19:33 |
| gnarface | never had a chance to set up either myself, but if you're doing this all entirely within your lan maybe that obviates some of the problems | 19:33 |
| gnarface | hmm, ok that kinda sounds like trunking but if you're just doing it locally inside your LAN maybe that doesn't need ISP support | 19:34 |
| gnarface | but you might need to do some fancy stuff at your router still | 19:35 |
| metala | only switching, no router needed. | 19:35 |
| metala | I guess I will experiment. If I have something interesing as a result I might post it in dev1galaxy | 19:36 |
| gnarface | yea, lets us know, sounds interesting... and if you can, stay connected in case someone around here reads this later and has better answers for you | 19:36 |
| metala | I will keep an eye. Thank you. | 19:37 |
| gnarface | metala: oh, i remembered another search term for you to try, see if this looks related to what you're trying to do: "equal-cost multi-path routing" | 19:39 |
| gnarface | i think that might be able to accomplish what you want without having to double-dip IP or MAC addresses | 19:41 |
| metala | interesting. I will definately look into that. | 19:41 |
| metala | it's routing, though, but nonetheless it's interesting read. | 19:43 |
| gnarface | well, i think that at least with a dumb switch anyway, you might still need something on the LAN acting as a router to manage the traffic flow even if you're not actually passing any of it to an uplink | 19:44 |
| gnarface | but maybe that can be the same device as the one with the two network cards, not sure | 19:45 |
| gnarface | but i think it fits the feature profile of having one link just for outbound packets and the other link just for inbound | 19:46 |
| gnarface | but in that situation i believe they still each get their own mac and ip addresses | 19:46 |
| gnarface | like i said though, this is beyond the scope of my direct experience, just some stuff i had started looking into a long time ago in preparation for a business endeavor that never materialized | 19:47 |
| metala | I might have found it. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/bonding.txt | 19:49 |
| gnarface | hmm, source looks legit anyway | 19:49 |
| metala | > balance-alb or 6 => Adaptive load balancing: includes balance-tlb plus receive load balancing (rlb) for IPV4 traffic, and does not require any special switch support. | 19:49 |
| gnarface | hmm, cool | 19:50 |
| metala | just to keep you updated, it seems to work, partially. Throughput: 1.7G tx and 0.9G rx. Also mate-session network manager cannot handle it well. | 22:12 |
| metala | it could be router's switch or the SFP... I will see when I get the other 2.5G switch with SFP+. | 22:14 |
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