| tempforever | I know it's way too late for the conversation, but it *is* possible to resize LVM encrypted partitions. I did it once (found instructions online somewhere). It seemed kind of complicated, don't plan on doing it again :-) | 04:29 |
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| tempforever | LUKS | 04:29 |
| tempforever | for a pretty new install, it makes much more sense to start over | 04:30 |
| tempforever | Ah, still had the page bookmarked. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions | 04:32 |
| CueXXIII | tempforever: sure, just resize all layers in the correct order. shrink: fromtop down, grow: from bottom up | 10:01 |
| CueXXIII | figuing out the correct sizes for shrinking can be tricky, though | 10:01 |
| joerg | fsmithred: (re devuani) just occurrs to me that it's pretty pointless in the end, to have an encrypted system partition and unencrypted swap, no? Or is swap (possibly) encrypted in that config? | 11:01 |
| joerg | CueXXIII: your "bottom" is the physical partition? I'd prefer a inside-out (for shrink) and outside-in (for grow) terminology, with outside being the physical storage "container", innermost the filesystem | 11:04 |
| fsmithred | joerg, good call. I missed that. Since they're using the live installer, they could let it make a swapfile in the root partition. | 11:07 |
| fsmithred | I know what CueXXIII is talking about, and I think I may have done it once. I'm sure I resized partitions in lvm and I'm pretty sure it was encrypted since it had sensitive information on it. | 11:09 |
| fsmithred | And to make it more exciting, it was done while the system was running. | 11:10 |
| joerg | fsmithred: swapFILE is what I was about to suggest IF you want encrypted volumes | 11:10 |
| fsmithred | The default setting in the live installer is 256mb. That can be changed in the config file. | 11:12 |
| fsmithred | If it sees a swap partition it will ask what to do - use partition or swapfile | 11:12 |
| CueXXIII | joerg: yeah, bottom being the hard disk(s) and top the mounted filesystem | 11:14 |
| joerg | I'm using configs since quite a while (a decade and maybe a half on top) where swap size << RAM size. I found swap eventually getting unbearably slow and the mere management metadata (tables, lists) for huge (>>RAM) swapfiles eat too much of my real RAM ;-) | 11:15 |
| CueXXIII | at least my laptop i have swap >= ram for suspend-to-disk + the stuff i forget in /tmp | 11:16 |
| CueXXIII | s/at least/on/ | 11:17 |
| joerg | needs some special care for "suspend to disk" but then, you always should take care there, *adding* fresh unused swap (swapon) the total size of your RAM, immediately before shutting down the system. And of course swapoff it again after resume | 11:17 |
| CueXXIII | how much metadata does swap use? | 11:19 |
| joerg | I'd had to look it up again, I forgot. But it was a surprising amount | 11:20 |
| CueXXIII | i don't see a noticeable difference here for 10G swap, but then the system is not idle | 11:22 |
| onefang | Swapspace is good, it creates swapfiles as needed, instead of trying to figure out how much you might need in the future. No idea how well that deals with suspend to disk, I never do that. | 11:54 |
| * joerg created a swapfile size of RAM in system and just enabled it with "swapon $swapfile" in some script that gets invoked by the ACPI(?) suspend2disk process | 11:58 | |
| joerg | ok, this info is massively outdated | 12:38 |
| buZz | well, for hibernate i dont think a swapfile can work on crypted storage? | 12:39 |
| buZz | i'm not sure though | 12:39 |
| joerg | deprecated. Actually some say suspend2disk is mutually exclusive with encryption | 12:43 |
| CueXXIII | encryped swap partition works, why should a swapfile not work | 12:43 |
| CueXXIII | your initrd must just decrypt the partition | 12:43 |
| CueXXIII | ok, i'm using linux' hibernation support, not the bios' suspend2disk | 12:44 |
| buZz | ahhh right, CueXXIII | 12:44 |
| buZz | so initrd must be unencrypted | 12:44 |
| buZz | ? | 12:45 |
| buZz | i guess /boot | 12:45 |
| CueXXIII | yes, my /boot is not encrypted. but i read, grub can also decrypt luks volumes (some) to load the kernel | 12:45 |
| CueXXIII | https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/GRUB#Encrypted_/boot -- https://bpa.st/PQVQ | 12:46 |
| buZz | fancy | 12:48 |
| joerg | I'd guess a encrypted suspend-image_of_RAM gives away way too much regarding predictable data in predictable location in crypted image | 12:50 |
| CueXXIII | that would be a sign of using the wrong encryption | 12:50 |
| joerg | maybe the KEY is the problem, not the encryption algo? | 12:51 |
| CueXXIII | each block should be encrypted with a different key (usually generated from the volume key and the block number), so you can't compare 2 encrypted blocks to get the difference in the plaintext | 12:52 |
| joerg | and where from you get the volume key? | 12:53 |
| CueXXIII | that is decrypted on the boot by a passphrase or passfile (eg. on an usb stick) | 12:53 |
| joerg | sorry, this gets way OT for #devuan. Please move it to #devuan-offtopic | 12:54 |
| CueXXIII | i just know enough crypto to not build my own | 12:54 |
| joerg | I know *I* started this, my failt | 12:54 |
| devuani | <devuani> Hello. Anyone know how to fix mdadm error at boot. can't use laptop normally. | 14:06 |
| joerg | where's an error? | 14:12 |
| devuani | at boot. drops to shell | 14:13 |
| joerg | that's a message, not an error | 14:13 |
| devuani | mdadm : no array found in config file or automatically | 14:14 |
| devuani | that's an error | 14:14 |
| joerg | aha | 14:14 |
| devuani | tried alot of stuff. | 14:14 |
| joerg | well, we been there, discussed that, like 3 or 4 or 5 times, yesterday | 14:15 |
| joerg | you sound like you suffered amnesia since yesterday | 14:15 |
| devuani | sounds like you are gaslighting me | 14:16 |
| devuani | what did you not get about: "tried alot of stuff" | 14:17 |
| joerg | [1 Sep 2024 22:36:47] <fsmithred> you can keep the partitions and use them [1 Sep 2024 22:36:53] <devuani> ok | 14:17 |
| devuani | We stopped yesterday. | 14:17 |
| devuani | AND? | 14:17 |
| joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-01.log.html#t2024-09-01T22:32:43 | 14:18 |
| devuani | I kept the partitions. And messaged to other people in discussion. maybe they had similar problem before | 14:18 |
| joerg | didn't we establish that a 100% filled rootfs is unrelated to a mdadm diagnostig message? | 14:18 |
| devuani | Why are you sure. | 14:19 |
| buZz | 100% filled rootfs wont work well | 14:19 |
| buZz | regardless of mdadm or crypted fs | 14:19 |
| devuani | k then | 14:19 |
| joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-01.log.html#t2024-09-01T20:35:59 http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-01.log.html#t2024-09-01T20:29:46 | 14:26 |
| joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-01.log.html#t2024-09-01T19:47:42 http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-01.log.html#t2024-09-01T19:23:31 | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | the mdadm "error" is not an error. Please ignore the message unless you are using RAID. | 14:43 |
| fsmithred | devuani, ^^^ | 14:44 |
| fsmithred | also, you should consider using a swapfile instead of a swap partition, because the partition will not be encrypted. | 14:44 |
| CueXXIII | devuani: do you have a log from the boot / a screenshot? | 14:46 |
| joerg | maybe try a completely fresh install from scratch, without any fancy cryptfs/LUKS, just simply giving partitions some reasonable size then wait for the installer do it's thing? | 14:46 |
| joerg | CueXXIII: nope | 14:47 |
| joerg | they are already jumping threads by themselves, driven by a lot of assumptions/guesses. The main problem is to help them keep on track with exactly one procedure, without digressing in between, inspired by any other alternatives | 14:50 |
| CueXXIII | i know, but i don't think reinstalling would help without knowing the actual error | 14:51 |
| joerg | the actual error os df -h / 100% used 0% free | 14:51 |
| CueXXIII | oh | 14:51 |
| devuani | So. should I use swap file instead? | 14:51 |
| joerg | 4.5(?)GB rootfs partiton | 14:51 |
| CueXXIII | make it 10G or 20G | 14:52 |
| joerg | no | 14:52 |
| joerg | O think we yesterday already achieved a partiton4 of sufficient size, and swap partition was "ok" | 14:52 |
| joerg | [1 Sep 2024 22:36:47] <fsmithred> you can keep the partitions and use them | 14:53 |
| devuani | I have 450 mb boot efi | 14:53 |
| devuani | 8 swap | 14:53 |
| devuani | 5.5 boot | 14:54 |
| joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-09-01.log.html#t2024-09-01T22:24:04 | 14:56 |
| devuani | I can't resize encrypted | 14:56 |
| CueXXIII | devuani: how much for root / = | 14:56 |
| devuani | you mean system | 14:57 |
| devuani | 21gb | 14:57 |
| CueXXIII | sounds good, though you should not more than a few hundred M for /boot | 14:58 |
| joerg | get rid of the encryption, try to install a plain standard system for now | 14:58 |
| devuani | boot is 1gb | 14:58 |
| devuani | joerg: ok | 14:58 |
| CueXXIII | "Mon 14:54 <devuani> 5.5 boot" -- 1G sounds ok | 14:59 |
| devuani | should I create separate /boot and /home | 15:00 |
| devuani | ? | 15:00 |
| joerg | once you managed to install an absolute standard system, without encryption and other advanced stuff, you know the basics and can redo with a few chrome decorations like cryptfs etc way more easily | 15:00 |
| devuani | joerg: yea. hope it works | 15:00 |
| joerg | >><devuani> should I create separate /boot and /home<< yes | 15:00 |
| joerg | devuani: when anything doesn't work or just looks unexpected or suspicious to you, please *immediately* ask here with providing a screenshot or ideally text to termbin.com URL, and wait what the recommendation of fsmithred is regarding your question. Many thanks! | 15:04 |
| devuani | setting up grub bootloader | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | I'm back. Yes the partitions were ok. | 15:04 |
| fsmithred | four minutes and you're at the grub install? That's pretty fast. | 15:05 |
| devuani | Install complete! | 15:07 |
| devuani | You may reboot | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | cool. remember to remove the usb | 15:08 |
| devuani | did | 15:08 |
| CueXXIII | but good catch with the 100% filled /, i would not have thought of that | 15:08 |
| devuani | screen different | 15:09 |
| devuani | more full? | 15:09 |
| devuani | username | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | graphical login? | 15:09 |
| devuani | yes | 15:09 |
| fsmithred | :) | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | desktop yet? | 15:10 |
| devuani | OMG | 15:10 |
| devuani | Yes | 15:10 |
| devuani | I'm in desktop | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | cool | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | that was without encryption? | 15:10 |
| devuani | yes | 15:10 |
| fsmithred | swapfile or swap partition? | 15:10 |
| devuani | swap partition | 15:10 |
| devuani | I maybe should try luks | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:11 |
| devuani | I guess I keep same partitions | 15:11 |
| fsmithred | note: since you will have separate / and /home encrypted, you will have to enter passphrase for each. You can create a keyfile later so you don't have to enter second time for home - that will be done by the keyfile. | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | yeah, keep them | 15:12 |
| devuani | fsmithred: how to create key file | 15:13 |
| CueXXIII | devuani: you should run "df -h" and see, how much space / actually uses. and then leave enough space to install additional programs | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | devuani, let's cross that bridge when we get there. I have to look up the commands. | 15:14 |
| joerg | congrats! :-) | 15:14 |
| devuani | CueXXIII: ok I try | 15:14 |
| devuani | joerg: thanks | 15:14 |
| devuani | I go with netinsall + luks | 15:14 |
| devuani | I just prefer different DE | 15:15 |
| joerg | now that you know the standard install works, you may experiment all your dreams :-) | 15:16 |
| devuani | Netinstall still gives cdrom no suck file or directory error | 15:16 |
| joerg | yes, THAT is a known error | 15:16 |
| devuani | 1 problem down. 1 to go | 15:16 |
| joerg | sorry, I only know THAT it's known, but not what been the exact fix | 15:17 |
| devuani | joerg: oh | 15:17 |
| fsmithred | if you have an extra usb stick you can dd the iso to it and I don't think you'll get the cdrom error | 15:17 |
| devuani | so I have to dd the netinstall to live usb? | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | if so, I think it's possible to create a symlink as workaround, but it's been years since I've done that. I don't know if that still works. | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | it won't be a live usb, it will be the installer only. Nothing else will remain on the stick. | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | that's why I said *extra* | 15:19 |
| devuani | So I like burm iso to stick | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | it uses the entire device | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 15:19 |
| devuani | also this will kill ventoy | 15:19 |
| buZz | yes | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | dd if=whatever.iso of=/dev/sd? | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | you don't have another stick to use? | 15:20 |
| devuani | should I use full dick as partition? | 15:20 |
| devuani | like dev/sdb rather sdb1 | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | yes | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | also, if you use netinstall, you can use encrypted lvm and then you don't need to make a keyfile. | 15:21 |
| fsmithred | do you know your way around debian-installer very well? Setting up encryption and/or lvm manually can be confusing. Letting the installer decide partitions is easier but doesn't always give you the idea partition sizes. | 15:23 |
| devuani | fsmithred: ok Ibwill do it | 15:23 |
| devuani | I will* | 15:23 |
| devuani | fsmithred: about lvm I did set uo it once on mint | 15:24 |
| joerg | does that sound familiar? >><freepick> I choose full disk and configure lvm encryption << http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-06-22.log.html#t2024-06-22T16:10:39 | 15:28 |
| joerg | http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/_devuan/_devuan.2024-06-22.log.html#t2024-06-22T17:47:46 | 15:41 |
| joerg | >><rrq>ah, yes, partman is buggy with UEFI<< | 15:42 |
| joerg | >><freepick>life was easier without uefi, secure boot, systemd, and all those similar things haha<< | 15:43 |
| djph | well,UEFI did bring along GPT partitioning, which is nice ... | 15:54 |
| devuani | Update. burning iso to disk fixes /cdrom error not found | 15:58 |
| devuani | Thanks to all for help. Have a good ones. | 15:59 |
| devuani | netinstall | 16:00 |
| fsmithred | cool | 16:01 |
| fsmithred | so it's an issue with using the installer on ventoy | 16:01 |
| fsmithred | I think there's some discussion about this on the forum. dev1galaxy.org | 16:02 |
| buZz | ventoy is just the issue imho :P i've had similar issues before | 16:41 |
| joerg | mount: mounting LABEL=DEVUAN500 on /cdrom failed: No such file or directory | 16:46 |
| joerg | mount: mounting UUID= on /cdrom failed: No such file or directory | 16:46 |
| joerg | *** failed to mount the cdrom | 16:46 |
| joerg | *** Starting emergency shell .. | 16:46 |
| joerg | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=6094 | 16:46 |
| joerg | ventoy ^^^ | 16:47 |
| golinux | Yes, I posted the url to the Ventoy discussion on the forum here yesterday | 16:47 |
| joerg | golinux: you're just supreme authority :-) Can't beat that | 16:48 |
| joerg | my problem: I never before heard of ventoy | 16:49 |
| buZz | some kinda bootloader wrapper for 'many isos on a usbstick' , i dont think its a really serious tool | 16:52 |
| djph | it "works" for the most part. I usually only see it used for getting windows garbage ISOs to be loadable from a linux source machine | 16:54 |
| buZz | i've just seen it used by people that reinstall their linux every ~week with different distro :P | 17:01 |
| joerg | buZz: >>i dont think its a really serious tool<< well, venTOY ;-) | 17:07 |
| buZz | ;) | 17:07 |
| freaxeh | i once had a ventoy installation suddenly just wipe itself, reinstalled ventoy and all was well. | 17:12 |
| freaxeh | could've been a usb flash drive issue but i doubt it that flash drive worked flawlessly from then on | 17:12 |
| freaxeh | could have been user error too, ie choosing the wrong drive to wipe at installation time | 17:13 |
| joerg | ^^^ | 17:14 |
| joerg | the most common error during installation | 17:14 |
| golinux | @joerg . . . supreme authority? Hardly. But I do keep close watch on most Devuan channels. ;) | 17:55 |
| CueXXIII | sind katzen nicht montags eh immer grumpy? | 18:23 |
| devuanconsumer | I am having trouble getting my wifi 6e and bluetooth working on my Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI II motherboard. I get the following errors when booting up. | 18:51 |
| devuanconsumer | firmware: failued to load mediatek/wifi/mt7922_patch_mcu_1_1_1hdr.bin (-2) | 18:51 |
| devuanconsumer | bluetooth: hci-: failued to load firmware file (-2) | 18:52 |
| devuanconsumer | bluetooth: hci-: failued to setup firmware (-2) | 18:52 |
| devuanconsumer | I already tried installing firmware-misc-nonfree (20210315-3) and firmware-iwlwifi without success | 18:55 |
| devuanconsumer | I have also reset the bios and held down the power button for 60 seconds like some forums suggested | 18:56 |
| devuanconsumer | any suggestions? please help | 18:56 |
| devuanconsumer | thanks in advance | 18:56 |
| devuanconsumer | I am also upgrading to daedalus as we speak | 18:56 |
| devuanconsumer | is it necessary to restart the pc after upgrading the distribution | 19:02 |
| devuanconsumer | is doing a fresh install better than simply upgrading a chimaera system to daedalus? | 19:03 |
| fsmithred | yes, you should reboot after the upgrade. | 19:04 |
| fsmithred | how new is that motherboard? | 19:05 |
| devuanconsumer | hey I remember you! | 19:06 |
| devuanconsumer | You've helped me a lot before | 19:06 |
| devuanconsumer | lol | 19:06 |
| devuanconsumer | I just purchased it | 19:06 |
| devuanconsumer | Date First Available‎September 23, 2021 | 19:06 |
| devuanconsumer | so it's semi new | 19:06 |
| devuanconsumer | Some online users have gotten the wifi and bluetooth to work on linux since 2022 with different strategies, none of which have worked for me | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | what version of firmware-misc-nonfree do you have installed? | 19:17 |
| fsmithred | dammit | 19:17 |
| joerg | they'll be back | 19:24 |
| devuanconsumer | I needed to restart my pc | 19:31 |
| devuanconsumer | did I miss any solutions for the wifi 6e and bluetooth? | 19:32 |
| fsmithred | what version of firmware-misc-nonfree do you have installed? | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ that was the only thing I said after you left | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | is daedalus any better? | 19:35 |
| devuanconsumer | let me check | 19:36 |
| devuanconsumer | oh i see i uninstalled it but i will reinstall it as i see there is a 2023 version now, i had tried the 2021 version on chimaera | 19:36 |
| fsmithred | ok. good | 19:36 |
| devuanconsumer | i will try it now | 19:39 |
| devuanconsumer | I get this error | 19:40 |
| devuanconsumer | when installing it | 19:40 |
| devuanconsumer | W: Target Packages (main/binary-amd64/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:6 | 19:40 |
| devuanconsumer | W: Target Packages (main/binary-i386/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:6 | 19:40 |
| devuanconsumer | W: Target Packages (main/binary-all/Packages) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:6 | 19:40 |
| devuanconsumer | W: Target Translations (main/i18n/Translation-en_US) is configured multiple times in /etc/apt/sources.list:2 and /etc/apt/sources.list:6 | 19:40 |
| fsmithred | you'll be able to speak again soon. Don't paste a bunch of lines here. | 19:41 |
| devuanconsumer | ok it worked! | 19:44 |
| devuanconsumer | thank you so much | 19:44 |
| devuanconsumer | how can I check if bluetooth is working? | 19:45 |
| devuanconsumer | i can't remember the name of the app | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | blueman and bluez I think | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache search bluetooth | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | and you have duplicate lines in /etc/apt/sources.list that should be removed (or commented) | 19:46 |
| devuanconsumer | i have blueman installed but i dont see the graphic interface | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | Settings -> Bluetooth Manager | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | install bluez | 19:52 |
| devuanconsumer | thank you! | 19:52 |
| devuanconsumer | thanks for your help fssmithred | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | yw | 20:07 |
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