| Nrml | quick question: are there any issues in adding `deb http://deb.devuan.org/devuan daedalus-proposed-updates main contrib non-free` to /etc/apt/sources.list? | 00:55 |
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| Nrml | (my reasoning is that "proposed updates" are good -- why not? -- but I may well be wrong) | 00:56 |
| fsmithred | Nrml, sometime we put packages there that need some testing before they go into the main repo | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | make sure it has a lower priority so that you have to specify if you want a package from proposed-updates | 01:06 |
| Nrml | fsmithred: thanks for the info, I think it's better to omit it for now, then | 01:09 |
| fsmithred | Nrml, you might want non-free-firmware too | 01:11 |
| fsmithred | that's where the wireless firmware packages got moved in daedalus | 01:11 |
| Nrml | Will do, thanks! | 01:12 |
| Nrml | (wasn't aware of non-free-firmware | 01:13 |
| Xenguy | Nrml, https://www.devuan.org/os/packages.html | 01:14 |
| Nrml | Thanks Xenguy | 01:16 |
| Nrml | Reviewing it right now | 01:16 |
| onefang | It's early Sunday morning, and sometime today I'll be switching sledjhamr.org to point to my new server. There may be some disruptions, depending on when your local DNS server gets updated. | 01:17 |
| djph | good to know | 01:17 |
| Nrml | OK, reviewed it and here's what I understand is a good (stable, complete) /etc/apt/sources.list for Daedalus: https://termbin.com/ozyv | 01:21 |
| Nrml | fsmithred, Xenguy: what do you think? | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | looks good | 01:24 |
| Nrml | Thanks for the input | 01:24 |
| Nrml | Got these messagens when installing linux-image-6.1.0-23-amd64 on a machine I'm building (using chroot): https://termbin.com/c8oe | 03:14 |
| Nrml | I already have non-free-firmware on all lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, as suggested by fsmithred | 03:15 |
| Nrml | I think these messages are because I don't have yet installed the specific firmware for that NIC (which indeed the machine has) | 03:16 |
| Nrml | any tips on how to determine which package has these .fw files? | 03:17 |
| Nrml | Never mind, I think I just found it: firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT adapters | 03:20 |
| rustyaxe | wtf is up with the Extensions button in firefox? before i reinstalled if you clicked it, it gives you access to your extensions, now it opens the settings tab etc | 05:03 |
| Guest84 | Hi guys, is anyone around? | 05:36 |
| Guest84 | I'm knocking my head against a wall trying to get this HP EliteDesk 800 G2 to boot from the NVME drive | 05:37 |
| Guest84 | goes through install ok, but when I reboot it says 'hard drive not found' | 05:37 |
| Guest84 | I have to enable legacy bios mode to get the live-usb image to even boot... | 05:38 |
| onefang | Hang around, someone is likely to be able to help. It's a slow channel sometimes. | 05:39 |
| Guest84 | I tried adding a 1MB BIOS-boot partition at the beginning of the drive, then it has a 512MB (FAT32 boot,etc) partition, and then the big EXT3 partition for the OS... | 05:39 |
| Guest84 | it gives me a warning when I try to do the install without the bios-boot partition, about gdb drives needing a bios-boot partition to load... | 05:41 |
| Guest84 | this old G2 SHOULD support UEFI but I notice theres no bootx64.efi image for me to point it to on the latest distro ISO | 05:42 |
| gnarface | Guest84: i'm still vague on the details, but i think you need to do something from the bios interface to acknowledge the efi partition or something like that... someone around here knows specifics. legacy booting wouldn't require that though, and might be easier if you don't care either way. | 05:42 |
| Guest84 | I don't care as long as I get it to boot! | 05:42 |
| Guest84 | I've been trying to get it into legacy boot mode... | 05:42 |
| Guest84 | I mean, it is enabled in bios but it still doesn't see the drive | 05:43 |
| gnarface | oh... well how did you do it for the live iso? | 05:43 |
| Guest84 | I used dd to make the bootable USB from the i386-pc desktop ISO | 05:43 |
| gnarface | (what i mean is, you may have to actually boot the installer and go through the install using legacy mode too, or it won't behave as expected. if there's more to it than that then you need help from someone who has one) | 05:43 |
| Guest84 | go through the install using legacy mode? | 05:44 |
| gnarface | yea | 05:44 |
| Guest84 | what does that mean? | 05:44 |
| gnarface | well i guess i'm assuming you didn't actually boot the installer in legacy mode when it did the partitioning | 05:45 |
| Guest84 | When I boot up the desktop ISO there is just an icon for | 05:45 |
| Guest84 | "install debian" and it starts the refracta installer | 05:45 |
| gnarface | oh, that's the live iso's install feature | 05:45 |
| Guest84 | is there a special way I need to start the installer? | 05:45 |
| gnarface | no, there's a different installer | 05:45 |
| Guest84 | yeah the live-usb dekstop ISO was the only one I could get to load so far... | 05:46 |
| gnarface | and incidentally, you got the 32-bit one, and for that rig i'm seeing 64-bit specs | 05:46 |
| gnarface | here, try this one: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso | 05:46 |
| Guest84 | devuan_daedalus_5.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso | 05:46 |
| Guest84 | it's an I7 system, not AMD... | 05:46 |
| gnarface | trust me | 05:47 |
| Guest84 | ok I'll try it, lol | 05:47 |
| gnarface | for historical reasons all the 64-bit systems in the wild these days are "amd64" in ilnux | 05:47 |
| gnarface | even the intel ones | 05:47 |
| Guest84 | interesting | 05:47 |
| gnarface | *linux | 05:47 |
| gnarface | that's probably not the issue though, but the netinstall is a lot more flexible than the live one | 05:47 |
| gnarface | still keep the bios in "legacy" mode but also when you get to the boot menu of the netininstall, boot it in "expert" mode | 05:48 |
| Guest84 | so should I still need that small BIOS-BOOT partition for this machine? | 05:48 |
| gnarface | i don't think so, i think that's some efi limitation | 05:48 |
| gnarface | i think with legacy boot you can do the entire thing with just one partition | 05:49 |
| Guest84 | I need a find new USB to make bootable, lol | 05:49 |
| gnarface | the image should be bootable already | 05:49 |
| gnarface | you might need to manually select it from your bios's boot menu though | 05:50 |
| Guest84 | interesting, so I can just copy the files, no need for dd this time? | 05:50 |
| gnarface | uh, well you still need to raw write it to the usb drive in /dev directly, but you don't strictly need dd to do that | 05:51 |
| gnarface | (and that has no bearing on the legacy vs efi thing either) | 05:52 |
| gnarface | you can just cp [image] [device] | 05:52 |
| Guest84 | I was having issues with usb-creators, dd was the only thing that worked for me | 05:52 |
| gnarface | then keep using it | 05:52 |
| gnarface | dd is the popular choice | 05:52 |
| Guest84 | I'm on chimaera on my dev workstation and it caused me no end of problems | 05:52 |
| Guest84 | one big issue was that kernel-specific headers were not installed by default and then I needed them later... | 05:53 |
| gnarface | in general, we can solve a lot of problems around here if you just stick around long enough to wait for an answer | 05:53 |
| gnarface | i see a lot of people with names like Guest## who come in, ask a completely easy to answer question, then leave 5 minutes later when if they'd waited a couple hours someone might have helped | 05:54 |
| gnarface | yea, and that's an easy one | 05:54 |
| Guest84 | hahaha, sorry I didn't want to play with a real IRC client | 05:54 |
| Guest84 | I'm patient, lol | 05:54 |
| Guest84 | getting these old HPs to boot with NVME seems to be a problem area for a lot of people | 05:54 |
| gnarface | there's a linux-headers-* package to match each linux-image-* | 05:55 |
| Guest84 | yeah, but I didn't know you should install those when you install the system. | 05:55 |
| gnarface | well, you usually don't need them, but there's a lot of exceptions when it comes to nvidia drivers | 05:55 |
| Guest84 | there were some driver apis missing that I needed for a custom VLC install as I remember, to support rdmp or something like that | 05:55 |
| gnarface | hmm | 05:56 |
| Guest84 | rtsp | 05:57 |
| Guest84 | vlc started shipping without rtsp support and I needed it for my webcams, and I needed the kernel-specific headers to install something that needed some specific driver API enabled... | 05:57 |
| Guest84 | kernel-specific headers should be installed by default! | 05:57 |
| gnarface | usually if you install the corresponding linux-headers-* package, the "build-essential" and the "build-dep" for the package you're trying to build that covers most of it | 05:58 |
| Guest84 | the problem was also that the repo to install those headers for my version of chimeara was... nowhere | 05:59 |
| gnarface | some stuff sometimes needs a couple other things besides all that that don't show up in its build-dep list (like the kernel itself is often missing bison and you have to know to install it manually) | 05:59 |
| Guest84 | anyhow I'm gonna try this new ISO for my G2 eltedesk | 05:59 |
| Guest84 | I'm trying to replace big old R6400 servers with tiny microcomputers, lol | 05:59 |
| Guest84 | R610 PowerEdge servers, old dinosaurs | 06:00 |
| gnarface | oh, if you have not got one of the latest couple kernels, such as if you haven't updated it in a while, you might be in a situation where the installed kernel and it's corresponding headers are no longer in the upstream repo, in which case you might have to manually download some stuff from snapshots.debian.org to catch up first | 06:00 |
| Guest84 | snapshots.debian.org doesn't archive DEVUAN headers though! | 06:00 |
| gnarface | they're all the same | 06:00 |
| gnarface | the devuan i386 and amd64 kernel packages are all unchanged from debian's | 06:01 |
| gnarface | most the distro in fact is unchanged packages served transparently by http redirect | 06:01 |
| gnarface | of the over 60 thousand packages in debian, only a relatively small list of i think less than 200 or so actually needed to be forked to remove systemd, and that doesn't include the x86 kernels themselves | 06:03 |
| Guest84 | omg systemd was a nightmare for me | 06:03 |
| Guest84 | My fedora laptop started going into "emergency mode" because of a stray line in fstab | 06:03 |
| Guest84 | I worked at Sandia Labs where they used Redhat, to surveil their employees, lol | 06:04 |
| gnarface | we all hate it, but we keep the unbridled rage over in -> #devuan-offtopic :) | 06:04 |
| Guest84 | I also worked at a startup that got raided by Canonical employees after the Unity fiasco | 06:05 |
| gnarface | anyway, i'm stepping away for a bit, i'll be back to check later, but stick around and one way or another someone will be able to help you with this | 06:05 |
| Guest84 | thank you I will try that other ISO | 06:05 |
| gnarface | (there's people who are more familiar with making secure boot work around here than i am; you might not really have to resort to legacy mode if you get help from one of them, efi/secureboot is often tricky but usually workable) | 06:05 |
| Guest84 | I'll mess around with it some more and report back | 06:06 |
| gnarface | there might be some generic enough useful pointers on the forum too | 06:06 |
| Guest84 | ok this ISO image appears to have the bootx64.efi file that I need... | 06:10 |
| Guest84 | what should I put in for domain name? | 06:20 |
| Guest84 | oh sheeeet, it worked | 06:41 |
| Guest84 | I have to load the NVME drive via a boot from file, it doesn't autoboot to the hard drive decryption prompt, but I can live with that | 06:42 |
| Guest84 | shimx64.efi worked to boot for me, yay! | 06:42 |
| Guest84 | I got me a frickin' devuan minicomputer now! wooooo | 06:43 |
| Guest84 | now I just need to get apache with passenger working, lol | 06:43 |
| gnarface | heh, congrats | 06:43 |
| gnarface | glad you figured it out | 06:43 |
| Guest84 | ok now how do I install the kernel-specific headers? before I need them | 06:43 |
| gnarface | alright, first: dpkg -l |grep linux-image | 06:44 |
| gnarface | if there's more than one, make sure you know which one is actually running by matching the version to the output of "uname -a" | 06:44 |
| gnarface | then just do, "apt-cache search ^linux-headers-" | 06:44 |
| gnarface | should give you a full list, find the one that as the same version | 06:44 |
| gnarface | there might be a more shortcut way to do that, but that's the way i've been doing it | 06:45 |
| gnarface | (there might be a lot, and you might want to be more specific with the apt-cache search ...) | 06:46 |
| gnarface | apt-cache should handle basic regexp patterns for search parameters, if you know regexp it might help | 06:46 |
| Guest84 | ok I see headers for linux-image-6.1.0-23-amd64 | 06:46 |
| Guest84 | which matches uname -l | 06:47 |
| gnarface | that looks like the right version to me | 06:47 |
| gnarface | you might need some other build deps too | 06:48 |
| gnarface | the package names should all be identical to debian's though | 06:48 |
| Guest84 | uh oh I'm not in the sudoers file | 06:48 |
| gnarface | at minimum you'll want to at least install build-essential | 06:48 |
| Guest84 | how do I add myself again? | 06:49 |
| gnarface | uh, the sudo group should already be in the file, so probably just add yourself to the sudo group | 06:49 |
| Guest84 | so, sudo su, then group add... something? | 06:49 |
| gnarface | it would be "sudo su -" | 06:50 |
| Guest84 | ok well just su | 06:50 |
| Guest84 | worked | 06:50 |
| Guest84 | what's the group add command again? argh... | 06:50 |
| Guest84 | lol | 06:50 |
| gnarface | yea, or su since you're not in sudoers yet actually. and there's a couple ways to do it, including just editing the groups file directly... | 06:50 |
| Guest84 | adduser <user> sudo | 06:51 |
| Guest84 | seems plausible | 06:51 |
| gnarface | but i think the 'debian friendly' official way is: addgroup [user] [group] | 06:51 |
| gnarface | from the adduser/addgroup man page: | 06:51 |
| gnarface | Add an existing user to an existing group | 06:51 |
| gnarface | 06:51 | |
| gnarface | If called with two non-option arguments, adduser will add an existing user to an existing group. | 06:52 |
| Guest84 | adduser command not found | 06:52 |
| Guest84 | addgroup command not found | 06:52 |
| Guest84 | hmmmmm lol | 06:52 |
| gnarface | probably just a path issue | 06:52 |
| gnarface | try /usr/sbin/addgroup | 06:52 |
| gnarface | it's in the package also called adduser though, you can use dpkg -l to make sure you have it | 06:53 |
| Guest84 | addgroup with two arguments is an unspecified operation, hehehe | 06:53 |
| Guest84 | hmmm | 06:53 |
| gnarface | weird, the man page says that works | 06:54 |
| gnarface | try the arguments in the other order? | 06:54 |
| gnarface | to be honest, i usually just edit /etc/group by hand | 06:54 |
| Guest84 | yeah I think I need to do that, lol | 06:54 |
| gnarface | run "groups" as your user to see which groups you're actually in | 06:55 |
| gnarface | you'll probably have to relog to see changes | 06:55 |
| gnarface | also you can run "visudo" to change the /etc/sudoers file, but if this line is uncommented already you don't have to: %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL | 06:55 |
| gnarface | (should be preceded by this comment, near the end of the file: # Allow members of group sudo to execute any command) | 06:56 |
| Guest84 | omg, it still says I'm not in the sudoers file | 06:56 |
| Guest84 | ok, let me try that, thanks | 06:56 |
| gnarface | i just don't remember if you have to uncomment it by default, maybe you do | 06:57 |
| Guest84 | If I run groups I do NOT see sudo in there, hmmmm | 06:57 |
| Guest84 | running adduser again says I'm a member of the group sudo, huh | 06:58 |
| Guest84 | maybe I need to like reboot | 06:59 |
| Guest84 | ok relog worked | 07:01 |
| gnarface | you would have definitely had to relog, but if you're running a graphical login manager for some of these types of changes you also have to restart it separately while logged out of it | 07:01 |
| gnarface | (because whatever environment it starts with is the one your session inherits) | 07:02 |
| Guest84 | ok I got the kernel specific linux-headers for my installation and build-essential installed, woooo | 07:02 |
| Guest84 | anything else that I should consider mandatory for a new install? | 07:03 |
| gnarface | get bison in case | 07:03 |
| gnarface | and uh, hmm... flex and nasm? i think | 07:03 |
| gnarface | trying to think of all the repeat offenders of missed dependency, i think that's the big 3 | 07:03 |
| gnarface | those and sometimes some python crap | 07:03 |
| Guest84 | probably want git, curl was already installed | 07:04 |
| Guest84 | vlc, even though this is just a server... | 07:04 |
| gnarface | usually the error itself tells you what's missing, but not always | 07:04 |
| Guest84 | flex and nasm huh? | 07:04 |
| Guest84 | ok | 07:05 |
| Guest84 | qtcreator qtbase5-dev qtchooser qt5-qmake qtbase5-dev-tools libusb-1.0-0-dev libhidapi-dev pkgconf libmbedtls-dev cmake | 07:06 |
| Guest84 | all these | 07:06 |
| Guest84 | hmmmmm I may need to turn off the internal EXIM mail server | 07:13 |
| Guest84 | hmmmmm I need to install some debian repos to get things like pgadmin3 and xvnc4viewer, looks like | 07:21 |
| Guest84 | hmmmmm can I use some of the ubuntu repos? I was using focal repos on my chimaera device... | 07:21 |
| Guest84 | - note: added the bionic universe repo for access to some older packages like xvnc4viewer | 07:22 |
| Guest84 | hmmmmm | 07:22 |
| onefang | hmmmmm? hmmmmm? hmmmmm? I don't know that song. | 07:27 |
| freaxeh | can somebody tell me whats causing the crashes? https://imgur.com/a/qlrzLXT take your time, this problem is purely academic at this point as i've already bought a new mobo and ram. just curious as to whats causing it. heres my kern.log.1 file zipped up: https://file.io/8PqFAwAPmXkf | 07:30 |
| freaxeh | its an older ddr2 phenom ii system with an ATI graphics card. | 07:31 |
| freaxeh | a direct link to the jpeg to make it easier to see: https://i.imgur.com/1vNdKZZ.jpeg | 07:32 |
| freaxeh | system will run for 17+ hours then crash, or run for 3 hours then crash, already went into the bios and set memory timings to relaxed timings, ran memtest for many hours and had nothing but PASS. | 07:33 |
| freaxeh | psu is brand new, seasonic prime gold | 07:34 |
| freaxeh | only odd thing about the system is that I'm using the onboard sata controller instead of a sas controller. | 07:34 |
| Guest84 | problem is bad motherboard, sorry | 07:40 |
| Guest84 | I had an old system doing kernel panics like that and I replaced every component before finally just replacing the stupid motherboard | 07:41 |
| freaxeh | its ok the mobo and ram only cost me $35 | 07:43 |
| freaxeh | AUD | 07:43 |
| Guest84 | that happened to me on an old machine I was doing crypto and CPU mining on, I think it can stress the power circuit pathways | 07:44 |
| Guest84 | then like one pin connector shorts every now and then on the cpu pins and causes kernel panic | 07:45 |
| Guest84 | I think I still need python2.7 for some old tools... | 07:46 |
| Guest84 | is there like a newer version of vnc4server and xvnc4viewer that I should look at? | 07:51 |
| Guest84 | I don't have vnc4server config notes for runit, blargh | 07:51 |
| gnarface | Guest84: it's not recommended to use packages from outside the distro, especially debian ones, because the only ones they'd have would be ones with hard dependencies on systemd... that said, i don't think vnc is one of those things... | 08:50 |
| gnarface | i'm using the "x11vnc" package just fine, though i suspect there's multiple options | 08:50 |
| gnarface | as for disabling exim, that's easy, but you probably actually want a mail server for system mails | 08:51 |
| gnarface | (exim4-daemon-light should suffice) | 08:51 |
| Guest84 | wow, after installing the headers and build-essential, and a bunch of other stuff... it seems to be booting UEFI style now. OK then. I'll take it | 08:52 |
| Guest84 | I was having a problem with exim taking up the open filehandles | 08:53 |
| gnarface | i think it was actually some grub package you were missing, but i don't remember the exact name | 08:53 |
| Guest84 | inotify resources exhausted tail: | 08:54 |
| Guest84 | inotify cannot be used, reverting to polling | 08:54 |
| Guest84 | this was causing weird issues with tail | 08:54 |
| gnarface | that's weird, for a local server it shouldn't have that much load, but you can increase the amount of available open file handles in /etc/limits.conf | 08:54 |
| gnarface | sorry, /etc/security/limits.conf | 08:54 |
| gnarface | for me, usually the only thing that has problems with not enough file handles though is wine | 08:55 |
| Guest84 | it wanted sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 | 08:57 |
| Guest84 | in order to install wine32:i386 | 08:57 |
| Guest84 | then it installed a BUNCH of graphics drivers too... | 08:58 |
| Guest84 | rebooted better than before... | 08:58 |
| gnarface | yes, you want that, since most 64-bit windows stuff is actually a mix of 32-bit and 64-bit software | 08:58 |
| gnarface | you can't reliably expect a 64-bit wine prefix to work without having all the 32-bit components as well, including many of the libraries and drivers | 08:59 |
| gnarface | the linux Steam client has similar dependencies, for no apparent reason | 08:59 |
| Guest84 | so... the old packages I pulled from ubuntu, were from focus repo or bionic repo because that was from right before systemd takeover, I think | 09:00 |
| Guest84 | they should still work... | 09:00 |
| Guest84 | my notes say: | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates main restricted | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal universe | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ bionic universe | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates universe | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal multiverse | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal-updates multiverse | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security main restricted | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security universe | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu focal-security multiverse | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | and and apt-key add command for the ubuntu keyserver... | 09:01 |
| Guest84 | I needed xvncserver and xvnc4client, as I recall, and a few other old packages... pgadmin3? | 09:02 |
| Guest84 | >that's weird, for a local server it shouldn't have that much load | 09:07 |
| Guest84 | this server has a sort of high load, lol | 09:07 |
| Guest84 | it monitors and records trades from exchange datastreams and they happen like a few times per second usually | 09:08 |
| Guest84 | my old R610 PowerEdge is like, churning it's fans over here, hahaha | 09:08 |
| freaxeh | cool | 09:13 |
| freaxeh | i like vintage stuff | 09:13 |
| al1r4d | Guest84, please use pastebin :) | 11:39 |
| * joerg should configure litharge to auto-deal with paste-spamming the channel | 15:02 | |
| djph | ha | 15:02 |
| joerg | 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:03 |
| fsmithred | Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:04 |
| joerg | :nod: | 15:04 |
| joerg | that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:04 |
| joerg | actually a +q for 60s would be the only semi-reasonable action for the short trigger | 15:05 |
| djph | eh, just mute the person for a minute with a "hey, next time use <pasteservice>" | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | that sounds pretty good | 15:05 |
| joerg | I don't know if litharge supports the >>"hey, next time use <pasteservice>"<< stuff | 15:05 |
| fsmithred | I was thinking auto-redirect multiple lines to a pasteservice, but better to put it on them to do something. | 15:06 |
| fsmithred | it would have to give some explanation | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | "Don't do that and count to 60 before you speak again." | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | afk | 15:08 |
| debdog | auto-redirect would be nice. I'd make use of that feature ;) | 15:09 |
| joerg | auto-redirect is a on-join feature only applicable to users who got +b-kicked | 15:11 |
| joerg | seems quite inappropriate for this | 15:12 |
| joerg | -litharge- (cflood [<channel>] [<permit>] [<life>] [<mode>] [<duration>]) -- return channel's config or apply <mode> (bqeIkrdD) for <duration> (in seconds) if a user sends more than <permit> (-1 to disable) messages during <life> (in seconds) | 15:13 |
| joerg | "q" here | 15:14 |
| joerg | done -litharge- for #devuan, floodPermit: 6, floodLife: 5, floodMode: q, and floodDuration: 60 | 15:15 |
| joerg | please try! | 15:16 |
| joerg | djph: would you? (9 lines paste en blocque) | 15:17 |
| joerg | I can't, I'm implicit excempt | 15:17 |
| joerg | debdog: you? | 15:18 |
| joerg | c'mon folks, somebody please help me evaluate this | 15:20 |
| debdog | one moment | 15:21 |
| debdog | <joerg> 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:22 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:22 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:22 |
| debdog | <joerg> :nod: | 15:22 |
| debdog | <joerg> that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:22 |
| debdog | <joerg> actually a +q for 60s would be the only semi-reasonable action for the short trigger | 15:22 |
| debdog | <djph> eh, just mute the person for a minute with a "hey, next time use <pasteservice>" | 15:22 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> that sounds pretty good | 15:22 |
| debdog | <joerg> I don't know if litharge supports the >>"hey, next time use <pasteservice>"<< stuff | 15:22 |
| joerg | hmm | 15:23 |
| joerg | changed it to cflood #devuan 6 10 q 60, please retry | 15:23 |
| debdog | 9 lines again? | 15:23 |
| joerg | 10 lines | 15:23 |
| debdog | <joerg> 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:24 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:24 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:24 |
| debdog | <joerg> :nod: | 15:24 |
| debdog | <joerg> that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:24 |
| debdog | <joerg> actually a +q for 60s would be the only semi-reasonable action for the short trigger | 15:24 |
| debdog | <djph> eh, just mute the person for a minute with a "hey, next time use <pasteservice>" | 15:24 |
| joerg | so good so far, please wait a 60s | 15:24 |
| joerg | debdog: many thanks! | 15:25 |
| debdog | seems to work | 15:25 |
| joerg | changing it to cflood #devuan 5 10 q 120 | 15:28 |
| joerg | because "MORE THAN 5 lines, in 10s" | 15:29 |
| joerg | 2 minutes +q | 15:29 |
| debdog | <joerg> 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:30 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:30 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:30 |
| debdog | <joerg> :nod: | 15:30 |
| debdog | <joerg> that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:30 |
| debdog | <joerg> actually a +q for 60s would be the only semi-reasonable action for the short trigger | 15:30 |
| joerg | looks reasonable | 15:32 |
| * debdog argees | 15:33 | |
| joerg | now for -litharge- (cbad [<channel>] [<permit>] [<life>] [<mode>] [<duration>]) -- return channel's config or apply <mode> (bqeIkrdD) for <duration> (in seconds) if a user triggers <permit> (-1 to disable) channel protections during <life> (in seconds) | 15:35 |
| joerg | debdog: eager to test the >>-litharge- for #devuan, badPermit: 2, badLife: 600, badMode: k, and badDuration: 10 <<? | 15:37 |
| joerg | aiu it means you must not do TWO violations (i.e. flood channel) during 10 minutes (600s), or you'll get k(icked?) for 10s | 15:39 |
| debdog | ok | 15:39 |
| joerg | of something "bad" hapens, just wait, I'll sort it out for ya | 15:40 |
| debdog | no worries ;) | 15:40 |
| debdog | starting now... | 15:40 |
| debdog | <joerg> 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:41 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:41 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:41 |
| debdog | <joerg> :nod: | 15:41 |
| debdog | <joerg> that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:41 |
| debdog | <joerg> 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:43 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:43 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:43 |
| debdog | <joerg> :nod: | 15:43 |
| debdog | <joerg> that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:43 |
| debdog | <joerg> actually a +q for 60s would be the only semi-reasonable action for the short trigger | 15:43 |
| joerg | hmmm, might need a 3rd time, in which case I'll tune it to permit=1 ? | 15:44 |
| joerg | >>if a user triggers <permit> (-1 to disable) channel protections<< acutally *more than...* | 15:45 |
| joerg | ? | 15:45 |
| buZz | does it also trigger on excessive joins/parts ? | 15:46 |
| joerg | debdog: 3rd time? | 15:46 |
| debdog | aight | 15:46 |
| joerg | buZz: possible, yes | 15:46 |
| debdog | here we go... | 15:46 |
| debdog | <joerg> 6 lines in <5s, or 10 lines in <20s | 15:46 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> If so, it would be nice if it gave a warning for the first offence. | 15:46 |
| debdog | <fsmithred> Most of the time it happens it's someone who is asking for help, not a spammer. | 15:46 |
| debdog | <joerg> :nod: | 15:46 |
| debdog | <joerg> that's why I haven't done it yet | 15:46 |
| joerg | ok | 15:46 |
| buZz | i noticed some people, not in here, that held a webclient open for a long while and ended up flooding joins/parts for days | 15:46 |
| joerg | yep | 15:47 |
| buZz | eventually they got k-lined by the network | 15:47 |
| debdog | aight | 15:47 |
| joerg | debdog: many thanks! | 15:47 |
| debdog | null problemo | 15:48 |
| joerg | I'm tunong ot to permit:1, no need to test again | 15:48 |
| debdog | hehe | 15:48 |
| joerg | cbad #devuan 1 600 k 10 | 15:48 |
| joerg | buZz: -litharge- (ccycle [<channel>] [<permit>] [<life>] [<mode>] [<duration>]) -- return channel's config or apply <mode> (bqeIkrdD) for <duration> (in seconds) if <permit> (-1 to disable) parts/quits are received by a host during <life> (in seconds) | 15:50 |
| joerg | any suggestions? | 15:50 |
| joerg | alas no :MSG option, like in >>kick /KICK <channel> <nick> :[msg] << | 15:56 |
| buZz | yeah maybe if 10 reconnects within 5 minutes? | 15:57 |
| joerg | I *really* would like a MSG like "fix your connection!", but meh! | 16:00 |
| joerg | let's try 10 300 | 16:00 |
| freaxeh | is there a possibility of hilarious chaos if a netsplit occurs? | 16:00 |
| joerg | no? | 16:02 |
| joerg | ot's per user | 16:02 |
| buZz | netsplits arent often flaky ;) | 16:02 |
| joerg | buZz: what's the mode you suggest? +b ? | 16:02 |
| joerg | and which duration? | 16:03 |
| buZz | yeah but i agree that would be better with a msg | 16:03 |
| buZz | +b for 30 mins? | 16:03 |
| joerg | ok | 16:03 |
| buZz | that should be enough to 'give up' for webclients and not too long that motivated people dont want to return | 16:03 |
| joerg | buZz: you're aware you could do as well? | 16:03 |
| buZz | yeah i know | 16:04 |
| joerg | nm then | 16:04 |
| buZz | jaromil gave me that back in the day where he still used irc ;) | 16:04 |
| joerg | -litharge- for #devuan, cyclePermit: 9, cycleLife: 300, cycleMode: b, and cycleDuration: 1800 | 16:05 |
| joerg | oooh? | 16:05 |
| buZz | imho, this channel is quite chill in general ;) not many idiots come | 16:05 |
| joerg | -ChanServ- 10 buZz +Aeotv (AOP) [modified 2y 44w 4d ago, on Oct 17 21:13:51 2021 +0000, by joerg] | 16:06 |
| buZz | hehe yeah , i guess he did it on freenode | 16:06 |
| joerg | aaah possible | 16:06 |
| joerg | please help out with "manual messages" for those getting treated by litharge. Thanks! | 16:08 |
| joerg | feel free to unban where due | 16:09 |
| buZz | it wont fight me when i -b ? | 16:09 |
| joerg | nope, shouldn't | 16:09 |
| buZz | alright | 16:09 |
| joerg | or >>-litharge- (unban [<channel>] [<hostmask|--all>]) << | 16:10 |
| joerg | please don't use --all | 16:10 |
| buZz | ahah , alright | 16:12 |
| joerg | don't know if that command even "works" in litharge, it's actually just a pimped up supybot, the cahnnel specific permissions are an afterthought and often fail to work for commands not starsting with a c* | 16:13 |
| joerg | that's why it's Ccycle, Cbad, Cflood etc | 16:14 |
| joerg | ok, end of "OT"-intermezzo, back to "devuan support channel" ;-) Thanks all for helping out! | 16:17 |
| rustyaxe | how can i automate running /etc/tethr-up.sh when a particular usb device (my phone) is plugged? | 16:47 |
| buZz | rustyaxe: udev? | 16:48 |
| cousin_luigi | rustyaxe: Indeed. The tricky part is finding a way to identify the device. | 16:56 |
| cousin_luigi | rustyaxe: Maybe use the MAC address if it's exposed. That's usually your best bet with network devices. | 16:57 |
| rustyaxe | got it | 17:04 |
| rustyaxe | https://termbin.com/jlni and https://termbin.com/5nio - now when the phone is pluggd, it uses adb to kick it into usb rndis tethering | 17:05 |
| bowen | hi all | 17:07 |
| aswjrisp | nemo: ErRandir: fsmithred: gnarface: Thank you for your help with the data recovery I was working on. I was able to get all the user data off of the m.2 drive that was not bootable using the devuan live minimal iso. | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | cool! Have you figured out how to get it to boot? | 17:12 |
| aswjrisp | nemo: Thanks for suggesting rsync. rsync was very helpful as I had some of the backup attempts interupted and being able to continue the backup instead of restart was nice. I also like rsync's --checksum and --dry-run to check that the data was in copied. | 17:13 |
| aswjrisp | fsmithred: I am going to try to get the m.2 drive in quesiton to boot by looking at the bios settings more carefully as you suggested. | 17:15 |
| fsmithred | what's the motherboard model? | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | and I guess the disks too | 17:16 |
| fsmithred | have you searched that info for boot problems? | 17:17 |
| bowen | Morning from Tennessee, trying to install x86 desktop to a Dell Venue 5830, and it seems no to detect distros using isolinux. | 17:27 |
| bowen | no -> not | 17:27 |
| buZz | bowen: fyi, dell venues are known for this | 17:32 |
| buZz | you need to boot a 32bit UEFI | 17:32 |
| buZz | and -after- that you can run a 64bit OS if need be | 17:32 |
| buZz | try a 32bit OS? | 17:32 |
| bowen | I'm booting from the devuan 32-bit desktop | 17:33 |
| buZz | so, that works? | 17:33 |
| bowen | nope, doesn't see the usb drive. | 17:33 |
| buZz | is the usb even enabled in bios? | 17:33 |
| bowen | yes, been able to install anti-x and alpine-std | 17:34 |
| buZz | i dont know what those mean | 17:34 |
| buZz | you mean , it -does- detect distros on usb and install them? | 17:34 |
| buZz | iirc, we installed the dell venue at the hackerspace through PXE | 17:35 |
| bowen | yes, but not devuan, i think I've tried all the 32 bit versions with same result. | 17:36 |
| buZz | maybe try a older version? | 17:36 |
| bowen | I run devuan on my main system and alpine on my rpi 4 and nas server. | 17:37 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | Yooo wassup | 17:38 |
| bowen | yeah thats a good thought, I keep running into the wifi is errors with anti-x and alpine | 17:38 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | Where I can read about Devuan? What init system Devuan does use? Because I'm familiar with OpenRC and RC (FreeBSD) | 17:39 |
| buZz | devuan.org, ScrewDriver1337 | 17:39 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | Yea but what page is it? | 17:39 |
| buZz | what page is what | 17:39 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | On the site thingy | 17:40 |
| buZz | on the first line of the page | 17:40 |
| buZz | it links to https://www.devuan.org/os/init-freedom | 17:40 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | Oh yeah now I see. Thanks | 17:41 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | One more question: how good maintainers are? Cuz I had very bad time with Artix maintainers | 17:41 |
| aswjrisp | fsmithred: I did an internet search for boot problems with the motherboard and drive by model. I did not get many interesting/relevant results. | 17:42 |
| buZz | never hard of artix | 17:42 |
| buZz | heard | 17:42 |
| aswjrisp | I am going to more carefully look at the bios settings. | 17:43 |
| ScrewDriver1337 | Well its fartix. Their maintainers are irresponsible, breaking pipewire every possible time | 17:43 |
| buZz | that looks like archlinux , arch often breaks | 17:43 |
| buZz | rolling distros in general , its 'let the users find the bugs' | 17:43 |
| rrq | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Beholder | 17:45 |
| fsmithred | bowen, the amd64 desktop-live iso includes a 32-bin efi bootloader. When you boot the iso, look in / for grub-efi-ia32*.deb. You probably need to install that, but I'm not really sure. The corresponding -bin package is already insatlled. | 18:05 |
| fsmithred | 32-bin/32-bit | 18:05 |
| aswjrisp | I am still getting the "No Bootable Device" error message. Here are some of the things I have tried to fix it. | 18:40 |
| aswjrisp | Set the date and time in the bios so it is correct. | 18:40 |
| aswjrisp | Disable secure boot. | 18:40 |
| aswjrisp | Try to change from UEFI to legacy. There is no legacy option only UEFI even after secure boot is off. | 18:41 |
| aswjrisp | I do not think it is a problem with the cmos battery because the bios date and time are keeing time. | 18:41 |
| aswjrisp | It is not the motherboard, drive slot or drive as they work fine with the devuan live iso. | 18:42 |
| aswjrisp | In the bios on the system information page it does show the drive as drive 2. With nothing as drive 1. When I open up the computer there is only one drive slot and it is m.2. | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | hard disks set to ahci? | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | not intel raid or whatever they call it | 18:45 |
| aswjrisp | In the boot page the drive is not listed. | 18:45 |
| aswjrisp | fsmithred: I used the file system default from the devuan graphical intsaller. | 18:45 |
| fsmithred | I'm talking about bios settings | 18:46 |
| aswjrisp | fsmithred: The sata mode is AHCI and does not give me the option to change it to anything else. | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | ok | 18:48 |
| aswjrisp | I think I will check if there is a bios update. | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | is this one of those machines that has a 32-bit efi system but otherwise is 64-bit? | 18:50 |
| aswjrisp | fsmithred: I used the devuan amd64 graphical installer. How do I check if it is a 32 bit efi system but otherwise is 64 bit? | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | not sure | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | but the amd64 live isos will boot with that. | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | with either | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | but you would need grub-efi-ia32 instead of grub-efi-amd64 | 18:53 |
| fsmithred | uh, are you booting efi or legacy? | 18:54 |
| aswjrisp | It only allows uefi. It does not even provide the option legacy, even if I disable secure boot. | 18:55 |
| freaxeh | enable CSM? | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | and you already tried chroot to run grub-install and update-grub I thin | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | k | 18:56 |
| fsmithred | another thought - the installer isos can boot to a rescue system and reinstall the bootloader. I believe there is a question that comes up about installing grub for removable device or something like that. Say yes there. (did you already try that?) | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | I need lunch. Back in a bit. | 18:59 |
| dvbst | hello | 19:32 |
| dvbst | i have a system with 2 drives, both encrypted, i encrypted the other one with a keyfile and that keyfile is on the drive that gets decrypted first, how do i make the other one decrypt and automount at boot? | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | dvbst, I think you have to list the second drive (partition) in /etc/crypttab and specify the key for it. | 19:41 |
| dvbst | do i not do anything in /etc/fstab? | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | yeah, probably need to list it there too if you want it to mount | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | list the /dev/mapper/whatever as the device in fstab | 19:51 |
| dvbst | okay, ill try that when i get back, for now im gonna go, and if someone has a step by step guide for this, would be cool if they could link it | 19:55 |
| aswjrisp | Given that the drive can be worked on with the live iso, that the data could be backed up and that the version of devuan is oldstable. I think I am just going to intsall a new operating system on the drive. | 20:11 |
| aswjrisp | fsmithred: thanks for your help. | 20:11 |
| buZz | likely too wide a ipv6 ban but w/e | 20:20 |
| * buZz hugs litharge | 20:20 | |
| buZz | you go girl | 20:20 |
| Guest84 | aswkrisp: try using this ISO https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/installer-iso/devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso | 22:37 |
| beagleburt | I do not use IRC very often & I have forgotten my password...What should I do? | 23:30 |
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