| rrq | yeah, no.. it doesn't handle custom extensions ... I have https://transfer.rrq.au/OmOYbrcRYM/enitool.lsp | 00:02 |
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| rrq | using newlisp | 00:02 |
| rrq | uses ${EDITOR-nano} to fiddle with configuration blocks | 00:03 |
| Guest73 | Hey, I have no idea why I don't get that netinstall screen | 00:04 |
| Guest73 | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/full-disk-encryption | 00:04 |
| Guest73 | never getting that kind of install view | 00:04 |
| Guest73 | am i installing wrong iso | 00:04 |
| gnarface | Guest73: not sure, but maybe try it in expert mode? | 00:06 |
| gnarface | or maybe you have to load an optional component at one of the earlier steps... someone around here knows though, stick around | 00:06 |
| rrq | default "Install" is fine for that too | 00:06 |
| Guest73 | no my point is getting that kind of installation, I did xfce install but i need that blue and gray install to install openrc | 00:07 |
| Guest73 | do you think expert mode will get me there | 00:07 |
| rrq | default "Install" is fine for that too | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | you have an installed system? | 00:07 |
| Guest73 | yep | 00:07 |
| gnarface | oh, you mean the ncurses mode as opposed to the graphical interface? | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | apt install openrc | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | I think | 00:07 |
| gnarface | text mode should also be an option at the boot menu... | 00:08 |
| Guest73 | but i want to get minimal, no DE, openrc version | 00:08 |
| Guest73 | i don't want xfce | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | Did you say which iso you're using? | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | oh, ok. minimal. | 00:08 |
| Guest73 | but not like minimal iso where you install it like arch | 00:08 |
| Guest73 | https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/full-disk-encryption | 00:09 |
| Guest73 | just need to install like this | 00:09 |
| rrq | are you using devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso ? | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | you need an installer iso, but I can't see what you have. You'll have to tell us. | 00:09 |
| Guest73 | i tried that, tried to boot to normal install, it says cd files are not there and it bringed to me console terminal where i can't even write anything, busybox if i remember | 00:10 |
| gnarface | Guest73: when it asks you what desktop you want to install, you're not actually required to choose any of them. that will get you a "minimal" install | 00:10 |
| Guest73 | devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_netinstall.iso | 00:10 |
| Guest73 | gnarface perfect, but i can't get to there | 00:10 |
| Guest73 | if it gives me that setup, ill | 00:10 |
| rrq | are you trying to use ventoy ? | 00:10 |
| Guest73 | ye | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | good call, rrq | 00:11 |
| Guest73 | it seems, i need to do dd way to get that usb ready | 00:12 |
| Guest73 | what u think guys | 00:12 |
| rrq | the installer needs to find the ISO as a device... so dd that directly to a usb should work | 00:12 |
| Guest73 | never thought ventoy would cause me problems | 00:13 |
| Guest73 | ill try dd way | 00:13 |
| Guest73 | thanks | 00:13 |
| rrq | it does have a ventoy load patch. but that doesn't always work; it depends on a particular ventoy setup | 00:13 |
| rrq | so safest is to dd it to a usb | 00:14 |
| Guest73 | so net install will get me to that kind of install explained on wiki right? | 00:14 |
| rrq | should | 00:14 |
| rrq | you need to untick the DE options.. keep "standard utilities" | 00:15 |
| rrq | then select openrc as init system | 00:15 |
| Guest73 | should i chose | 00:16 |
| Guest73 | devuan de | 00:16 |
| Guest73 | or only standart utilities | 00:16 |
| rrq | only standard, unless you want a graphical..which needs DE + something | 00:17 |
| Guest73 | will i get | 00:17 |
| Guest73 | x | 00:17 |
| Guest73 | with standart utilities | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | no | 00:17 |
| fsmithred | what desktop do you want? | 00:18 |
| Guest73 | ill use i3 window manager | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | so something like... | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | apt install xorg i3 | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | probably a few more parts | 00:18 |
| fsmithred | xserver-xorg-video-all would be a good one to have | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | maybe mesa-utils | 00:20 |
| fsmithred | you want to use a display manager or just startx? | 00:20 |
| Guest73 | startx will be okay | 00:21 |
| Guest73 | i can install it np | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | are you new to debian/devuan? | 00:21 |
| Guest73 | switching from artix | 00:22 |
| Guest73 | to devuan | 00:22 |
| rrq | (to run startx as non-root will need seatd) | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | apt or apt-get --no-install-recommends install blah blahblah | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | yes, seatd and make sure you're in the video group. I ran into that today. | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | oh, I didn't finish my sentence above - exclude Recommends if you want a smaller system. | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | --simulate (or -s) to review what it will or won't install | 00:24 |
| fsmithred | I prefer using aptitude for that because I like the layout of the output. | 00:25 |
| Guest73 | ok ill try | 00:26 |
| Guest73 | thanks for helping guys | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | yw | 00:26 |
| fsmithred | yell if you need help and be patient. We're not always this fast. | 00:26 |
| Guest73 | will come back ill tell how it went | 00:26 |
| ball | Does Devuan use "Snaps"? | 05:36 |
| rrq | no | 05:37 |
| Xenguy | .oO( We're better than that ...) | 05:37 |
| ball | Ah good. :-) | 05:46 |
| fluffywolf | lol | 06:11 |
| ball | fluffywolf~ | 06:13 |
| ball | I didn't realise you were in here. :-) | 06:13 |
| ball | Almost finished downloading Daedalus. Might try it on my laptop. | 06:14 |
| Xenguy | hehe | 06:20 |
| ball | I have to wait until the thing I'm currently running is finished and then I'll write the image to a USB flash drive. | 06:24 |
| ball | ...and see if I can't boot from that. | 06:25 |
| fluffywolf | I've been in here since devuan 1... lol | 06:27 |
| ball | fluffywolf: I couldn't guess how long ago that was. As you know, I don't spend a lot of time in Linux. | 06:39 |
| adhoc | no snaps? thank goodness for that!! | 06:42 |
| adhoc | have folks upgraded from devuan3 to Daedalus recently ? | 06:43 |
| * adhoc has about a dozne machines to upgrade | 06:43 | |
| adhoc | not sure if i should yank the spinners and replace with SSDs, then reinstall a fresh.. ? | 06:44 |
| ball | adhoc: Sounds like a good opportunity for the upgrade. | 06:46 |
| adhoc | ball: always | 06:48 |
| adhoc | but SSDs are in short supply at the moment locally. | 06:48 |
| adhoc | some of these spinners have over 20 years on them | 06:49 |
| ball | Firmly at the plughole end of the bathtub curve then. | 06:49 |
| adhoc | and the big deskside machines were build in the mid 1990's | 06:49 |
| adhoc | they are all ultrawide scsi | 06:50 |
| adhoc | not unobtainium, but not available new | 06:50 |
| ball | lvd or se? | 06:50 |
| adhoc | so, thinking about replacing all the /home /opt and /srv volumes on these machines with nfs (or better)netowrk volumes on a brand new NAS | 06:51 |
| adhoc | ball: erm ... i assume se. its just 20MBit UW | 06:51 |
| ball | If they're from the mid 1990s, how fast are the NICs? | 06:51 |
| adhoc | internal | 06:51 |
| adhoc | quad 100megabit | 06:51 |
| ball | SCA or 68-pin? | 06:51 |
| adhoc | pre-SCA | 06:52 |
| ball | adhoc: Can you get gigabit NICs for them? | 06:52 |
| adhoc | all my HP dL3xx machines are SCA, much later | 06:52 |
| adhoc | ball: probably | 06:52 |
| adhoc | but ihave switches with ethernet channel bonding, so 400mbit is enough | 06:52 |
| adhoc | i can bond 2 x quad 100mb NICs, if that is not fast enough | 06:53 |
| ball | Would you rather consume four ports or buy one NIC? ;-) | 06:53 |
| ball | s/buy/source/ | 06:53 |
| adhoc | we are talking quad 450MHz cpu and a 4 and 8 GB of RAM in these older systems | 06:53 |
| adhoc | ball: i have a box of quad 100's | 06:53 |
| ball | POWER or SPARC? | 06:53 |
| adhoc | both | 06:54 |
| ball | (or Alpha or MIPS)? | 06:54 |
| adhoc | both | 06:54 |
| adhoc | and VAX | 06:54 |
| ball | Ünibus or Qbus? ;-) | 06:54 |
| adhoc | gave all the PARISC stuff to a collector | 06:54 |
| ball | What happened to my U there? | 06:54 |
| adhoc | QBUS mostly, | 06:55 |
| adhoc | can not remember what is in the VS3100 m.* | 06:55 |
| adhoc | and 4000/90's | 06:55 |
| onefang | #devuan-offtopic bus. ;-P | 06:55 |
| adhoc | the microVAX]['s are definitely QBUS | 06:55 |
| adhoc | but i gave up trying to run linux of them .... | 06:56 |
| adhoc | so | 06:56 |
| adhoc | back to devuan, NFS ... | 06:56 |
| ball | onefang: I should ask whether Devuan has been ported to all of them ;-) | 06:56 |
| adhoc | all these machines can do NFS v2, some v3 | 06:56 |
| adhoc | but is there something better than NFS v3? | 06:56 |
| adhoc | because I had no end of problems with it before | 06:56 |
| adhoc | ball: no, linux does not support some of these machines | 06:56 |
| adhoc | and devuan has a fairly limited set of platform support | 06:57 |
| adhoc | and i am not asking them to | 06:57 |
| ball | Perhaps Devuan can serve up some file space (or iSCSI blocks) to them though. | 06:57 |
| adhoc | indeed, that is exactly the direction I am headed. | 06:58 |
| adhoc | i used to use debian for that, well, since 1995 ish | 06:58 |
| adhoc | with bootp, modp, and other protocols for various architectures | 06:59 |
| adhoc | anyhow, need to find a sane replacement for NFS | 06:59 |
| adhoc | (not samba) | 06:59 |
| ball | (probably not sshfs) | 07:00 |
| adhoc | i keep looking at IPFS | 07:00 |
| adhoc | but sadly implementations are ... not there yet | 07:00 |
| adhoc | BBL | 07:00 |
| ball | 4015849472 bytes transferred in 641.880 secs (6256386 bytes/sec) | 07:31 |
| ball | I shall go away now. Have a great morning and thanks for the help! | 07:34 |
| ball | adhoc: Good luck with the museum. | 07:34 |
| rustyaxe | Finally got to the point i realized my old ass machines were costing more in electricity every year than a single modern computer would cost to buy..so now we have a little beelink ryzen7 box running the house heh | 08:41 |
| adhoc | rustyaxe: next project, battery + mppt + solar panels ? | 08:47 |
| adhoc | rustyaxe: they look like an intel nuc or macmini ? | 08:49 |
| rustyaxe | ive got a ser4 running all the automation stuff; probably get a ser7 to move my radio stuff to later in the year current still need the 256gb of ram situation n can only fit 64gb in one of those minipc without selling body parts | 08:51 |
| adhoc | 19 volt psu ? | 08:52 |
| adhoc | and these are x86-64 and run linux/devuan ? | 08:52 |
| rustyaxe | im running proxmox on mine, there's some devuan vm's on there; home assistant os, etc | 08:53 |
| adhoc | QSL | 08:53 |
| adhoc | thus the memory requirements. | 08:54 |
| rustyaxe | well radio stuff the ram requirement is because im dealing with 150mhz of capture width :o | 08:54 |
| rustyaxe | Usually 20-30 decoders running at a time | 08:55 |
| adhoc | which SDR you using ? | 08:56 |
| rustyaxe | usrp x300 | 08:56 |
| adhoc | and libraries are all in devuan ? | 08:56 |
| rustyaxe | yea, tho i recommend following /testing if you play with that kinda stuff | 08:56 |
| adhoc | QSL | 08:57 |
| adhoc | you have a CW decoder running ? | 08:57 |
| rustyaxe | digi modes; psk31, ft8, ft4, and aprs/bell.202 so far | 08:59 |
| adhoc | rustyaxe: have you written any of this up i can read some where? | 09:00 |
| rustyaxe | not really, mostly just cobble up stuff with gnuradio as it goes. but there's quite a bit of hardware involved. First step is getting a broke 10k$ SDR and fixing it :o | 09:02 |
| adhoc | understood. usrp's seem hard to get a hold of now days ? | 09:11 |
| adhoc | we need a devuan-ham channel ;) | 09:12 |
| fsmithred | Some people recently tried or did install excalibur to get a newer kernel. I just made a daedalus live-iso with backports kernel (6.9.7) https://get.refracta.org/files/experimental/refracta_12_bpo6.9.7_amd64-20240731_0049.iso | 13:48 |
| fsmithred | I started with a refracta-nox iso that has lots of extra utilities and added xorg, openbox, lxpanel and a few firmware packages and network-manager. | 13:49 |
| fsmithred | The iso can be used to test a newer kernel, to install with refractainstaller or do a debootstrap install. | 13:50 |
| fsmithred | bbl | 14:29 |
| joerg | >><adhoc> we need a devuan-ham channel ;)<< #devuan-offtopic - see /topic ;-D Thanks! | 16:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | soup! | 16:58 |
| bgstack15 | so the silly wtmpdb change has finally affected me. Apparently I don't have the /home-deleting systemd-standalone-tmpfiles package installed, but I want /var/lib/wtmpdb/ to be created. Should I just do that one-time, or do you recommend using systemd-standalone-tmpfiles? | 17:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/1325002/ | 19:43 |
| dvbst | so ive had this problem for a good few years now, and no matter who i asked, everyone told me they cant help, but you guys seem to know your stuff pretty well so ill ask here too | 20:49 |
| dvbst | so i have this drive encrypted with luks, and one time i wrote mbr to it by accident and overwrote the header | 20:49 |
| dvbst | and i didnt know that a header backup was a thing before i had this problem | 20:50 |
| dvbst | so i did some digging, and it was luks2, and the mbr overwrote the primary binary header and the 1st json area, all the other stuff should still be in tact | 20:52 |
| dvbst | here is the thing https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/LUKS2-docs/blob/main/luks2_doc_wip.pdf | 20:52 |
| dvbst | and i have tried going there with hexedit and manually setting every bit there, but it didnt seem to work | 20:53 |
| dvbst | i dont know if im doing this right or no, also i didnt do that on the source drive, i dded it to a different one and tried my work on the different one, the original is untouched since the accident | 20:54 |
| dvbst | my guess is that the salt in binary header 1 and binary header 2 are different, but keep in mind, i have absolutely no clue what im doing in the slightest | 20:56 |
| dvbst | and another thing, i have a friend who wants me to get him linux on his pc, and i think that devuan is the best choice since its the most reliable thing out there that doesnt require pretty much any manual configuration, and has pretty good automation too, and that automation doesnt fall apart when i do actually want to do some manual configuration, which is perfect for new users | 21:00 |
| dvbst | because i could get him void, but he would need to configure some stuff manually from time to time, and he will most likely fuck it up or i will have to do it, and i could get him ubuntu or something like this, but it will either fall apart completely on its own or fall apart completely when he changes 1 thing in configuration | 21:02 |
| dvbst | so i do not see any better option that devuan | 21:02 |
| dvbst | but, what i use is runit, and the reason why i do is because openrc is slow, and (im ashamed to say it) i thought that sysvinit is an abandoned project because nobody ever talks about it on youtube | 21:04 |
| dvbst | so i went with runit and it works well so i thought its good (and its not bad), but ive just had problems with it (that avahi thing) and i wonder if things couldve been better if i used sysvinit, since most people on this chat use it | 21:06 |
| dvbst | so im wondering, should i just continue doing things my way and install devuan with runit on my friends laptop or should i go with sysvinit since that way he could get more help here if he needs it | 21:07 |
| Xenguy | dvbst, I use sysv myself, and have not tried runit... | 21:09 |
| dvbst | yea thats what im talking about | 21:10 |
| Xenguy | I think it's safe to say that sysv is the most commonly run init on Devuan, and is time tested and therefore the most conservative and safe choice for your friend. Just an opinion : -) | 21:11 |
| dvbst | also could someone give me a tldr of what backports are, how to use them and how do i check whats in there and what version? | 21:12 |
| Xenguy | I don't use them much at all, but this looks like a decent primer: https://backports.debian.org/ | 21:30 |
| dvbst | okay epic, this will definitely be helpful | 21:33 |
| fsmithred | nobody talks about sysvinit because it's mature, it works, and therefore there's nothing to talk about. | 23:10 |
| mason | Hear, hear. | 23:14 |
| bgstack15 | I'd agree, but then that's saying something. | 23:41 |
| mason | bgstack15: We're discussing the discussion or lack thereof, not the thing itself. | 23:42 |
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