| rrq | bdju: it'd be good to hear whether or not the preview isos work well with ventoy | 00:42 |
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| fsmithred | I don't think there will be any excalibur live isos until trixie goes into freeze. The live isos are all outdated as soon as they are made. Do a netinstall. | 00:50 |
| fsmithred | the *testing* live isos. (Yes a few exist, and no I have not uploaded any.) | 00:51 |
| brocashelm | i use devuan isos with ventoy; no issues here | 01:40 |
| brocashelm | including the previews | 01:40 |
| freepick | Hi, xscreensaver by default immediately blocks the screen when suspending the system? | 01:48 |
| * Xenguy tries to recall the issues with xscreensaver, but you might be better off uninstalling it ... | 02:01 | |
| freepick | How do I lock the screen when suspending if I uninstall xscreensaver? | 02:06 |
| freepick | i am in lxde | 02:06 |
| paculino | Maybe you could use the screensaver package from another DE? | 02:08 |
| paculino | I haven't had issue with mate-screensaver | 02:09 |
| fsmithred | xsecurelock? or light-locker if you're using lightdm. | 02:10 |
| Xenguy | I use vlock when I really want a lock. | 02:12 |
| Xenguy | But the suspend use case, not sure | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | There may also be a way to do it with acpi scripts. | 02:15 |
| freepick | xscreensaver works well for me, I just wanted to know where the configuration is located that allows the system to be locked or not after suspending | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | I see that in xfce4-power-manager. I don't recall what lxde uses for a power-manager. | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | check it | 02:16 |
| brocashelm | there's also powerkit | 02:18 |
| freepick | xfce4-power-manager is good | 02:19 |
| rrq | brocashelm: thanks. good to hear the isos work with ventoy. | 07:12 |
| sensys | hello, again. I find out that error with partition(s) occurs with usb stick, not my ssd. And can you explain what exactly I should inspect in /var/log/kern.log? | 12:40 |
| gnarface | sensys: what's the error, and what tool are you using? | 13:59 |
| sensys | Error: "Partition(s) 1 on /dev/sdb have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes." I use this default command: "dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M && sync" | 14:59 |
| gnarface | was this during an install? i think i heard someone else complaining earlier and someone said it was a race condition... | 15:03 |
| gnarface | if it's not an install, try to see if it's actually showing the new partition if you exit and re-start the program | 15:04 |
| raub | Am I correct to assume that /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules does not work with devuan? | 15:13 |
| sensys | yes, it's during an install. And you heard about my problem, I guess. | 15:13 |
| gnarface | raub: no, it should work | 15:24 |
| gnarface | sensys: so this is the boot drive? and the dd command isn't actually what's causing the error, it's the partitioning tool in the installer? | 15:26 |
| gnarface | raub: note that devuan is still using the old network device naming style though | 15:30 |
| raub | gnarface: I am fine with the old naming convention. It is just that I created said file and it is being ignored. So I now need to find out who is outranking it | 15:36 |
| gnarface | raub: did you make sure you have udev or eudev installed? in some weird situations it might have gotten removed during an upgrade | 15:39 |
| gnarface | raub: if you do have udev installed and not eudev, try switching to eudev | 15:39 |
| gnarface | raub: also, it should have created it for you | 15:43 |
| raub | Thanks! I am away of that box for a few hours but as soon as I get to it I will check! | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | sensys, did you try ignoring the error message and proceeding with the install? If so, did the install finish and can you boot into the new system? | 16:05 |
| joerg | fsmithred: sensys: >>I use this default command: "dd if=filename.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M && sync"<< please clarify | 16:51 |
| joerg | sensys: actually that's not even a real error, it's a warning. The recommendation is right there in the warning: >>You should reboot now before making further changes<< | 16:58 |
| joerg | the generic recommendation though would be to umount any storage device filesystems before writing any new partition table or generally anything to that raw storage device (/dev/sdX) | 17:00 |
| joerg | the rationale also already in the warning: >>been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because it/they [the partition(s)] ***are in use***<< | 17:02 |
| joerg | you generally don't want to ever write raw data to a device that has a mounted filesystem on it | 17:03 |
| * joerg frowns a bit and glares at automounter | 17:03 | |
| joerg | use `findmnt` and common sense before running any `dd if=/dev/...` | 17:06 |
| joerg | err of= even | 17:07 |
| _al1r4d | hi | 17:07 |
| _al1r4d | how to completely disable ipv6? | 17:07 |
| joerg | hi _al1r4d | 17:07 |
| _al1r4d | net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 | 17:08 |
| _al1r4d | net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6 = 1 | 17:08 |
| _al1r4d | net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1 | 17:08 |
| _al1r4d | i put these on /etc/sysctl.conf and ipv6 still active | 17:08 |
| _al1r4d | :/ | 17:08 |
| joerg | will take effect only after next boot? | 17:08 |
| joerg | or ifdown / ifup whatever? | 17:09 |
| _al1r4d | nope | 17:09 |
| _al1r4d | i rebooted | 17:09 |
| _al1r4d | and still active | 17:09 |
| joerg | then no idea | 17:09 |
| joerg | https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=156410 | 17:10 |
| _al1r4d | thank you | 17:11 |
| _al1r4d | i will look | 17:11 |
| _al1r4d | grep CONFIG_IPV6= /boot/config-$(uname -r) | 17:12 |
| _al1r4d | CONFIG_IPV6=y | 17:12 |
| _al1r4d | hmm | 17:12 |
| joerg | dmesg|grep IPv6 -> [ 6.295172] IPv6: Loaded, but administratively disabled, reboot required to enable | 17:14 |
| joerg | _al1r4d: why do you want to completely disable IPv6? | 17:15 |
| cousin_luigi | joerg: Perhaps his isp doesn't supply it and he doesn't want to keep confusing stuff around? | 17:34 |
| nemo | so... I'm confused by popcon.. https://popcon.debian.org/ | 18:20 |
| nemo | why is devuan only "15" | 18:20 |
| nemo | I guess it's possible they knocked a zero off of debian and debian is really 2.345 million and devuan is.. 150. but that still seems very low | 18:21 |
| nemo | I have like a dozen devuan servers at work myself, and I'm pretty sure I left popcon on | 18:21 |
| nemo | even if they knocked off 2 zeros it seems a bit low | 18:22 |
| nemo | s/dozen/two dozen/ | 18:22 |
| nemo | ... well 20 to be exact | 18:22 |
| nemo | awwww crap. | 18:24 |
| joerg | cousin_luigi: there are too many possible reasons to guess on why | 18:24 |
| nemo | I forgot to fix the HOSTID noooo | 18:24 |
| nemo | ok. time to reconfigure them all :p | 18:24 |
| nemo | (so they were showing up as probably just 1 or 2 machines) | 18:24 |
| nemo | huh. weird. hostid doesn't change if I run reconfigure | 18:25 |
| nemo | hm. I guess I can just generate a random hash? | 18:26 |
| nemo | I'm going to just do head -c 100 /dev/urandom | md5sum and use that | 18:29 |
| rwp | Devuan popcon is sending results to the Devuan popcon.devuan.org and not to the Debian popcon.debian.org server. | 18:46 |
| rwp | Does popcon.devuan.org then share that information back to Debian? | 18:46 |
| nemo | rwp: huh... I assumed it did. and I felt it was important to "vote" since minor distros might help decide future policy like "do we really care about maintaining init agnosticism in debian" | 18:57 |
| nemo | so. your theory is that info isn't being shared and only a handful of devuan users repoint their instances to upstream? | 18:57 |
| rwp | Yes. That's what it looks like to me from looking at both sets of data. But I don't actually know. | 18:58 |
| nemo | anyway. I'm changing the IDs regardless. | 18:58 |
| rwp | Fixing the unique hostid problem is a good thing to fix regardless. | 18:58 |
| nemo | rwp: unfortunate because yeah, gives the impression that no one is using devuan | 18:58 |
| nemo | at least for those of us who are used to checking the devuan popcon | 18:59 |
| nemo | which is a large chunk of the world and certainly anyone who has never heard of devuan | 18:59 |
| nemo | s/devuan popcon/debian popcon/ | 18:59 |
| sensys | gnarface, I don't know actully. Error occurs with usb stick, with installer. And I even don't know how it can be. | 19:59 |
| sensys | fsmithred, yes, I can install system, and it's works, but my wlan0 don't work. | 20:00 |
| fsmithred | sensys, is firmware-iwlwifi installed? | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | if so, you can see if the module is loaded with 'lsmod | grep iwl' as root | 20:01 |
| sensys | joerg, what can I clarify? It's just dd command, that I found on devuan.org | 20:02 |
| cousin_luigi | sensys: dmesg would also help | 20:02 |
| sensys | fsmithred, how to check? | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | dpkg -l | grep firmware | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | (or grep iwlwifi) | 20:02 |
| fsmithred | or look in synaptic if that's what you normally use | 20:03 |
| sensys | installed | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | lsmod | grep iwl | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | you don't need to paste it here | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | just see if iwlwifi is loaded | 20:04 |
| sensys | yes, is loaded | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | ip a | 20:04 |
| fsmithred | to make sure it's really called wlan0 | 20:04 |
| sensys | yes, it's wlan0 | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | dmesg | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | and look for clues | 20:05 |
| sensys | but my system can't start it, I guess | 20:05 |
| fsmithred | iwlist wlan0 scan | 20:05 |
| sensys | network is down | 20:06 |
| cousin_luigi | sensys: Check the output of sudo dmesg for any mention of wlan or iwl | 20:06 |
| cousin_luigi | sorry, devuan does not have sudo configured by default | 20:06 |
| cousin_luigi | so just dmesg as root | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | no need to apoligize | 20:07 |
| cousin_luigi | He doesn't need misleading advice | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah, but it might work. He'll tell us if it doesn't. | 20:07 |
| cousin_luigi | fsmithred: My only other guess is that the dongle might not work on usb2 ports. Unsure how frequent that is. | 20:08 |
| fsmithred | is the wireless interface a usb dongle? I thought it was built-in. | 20:09 |
| cousin_luigi | 19:59:43 < sensys> gnarface, I don't know actully. Error occurs with usb stick | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | sensys ^^^ | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | Yeah, I think we're on the hard drive now. The usb stick was to install it. | 20:10 |
| cousin_luigi | oh sorry | 20:11 |
| cousin_luigi | So, sensys what's the story there? | 20:11 |
| sensys | ok, I have problem with navigating here. I have no desktop enviroment and don't know how to scroll up :D | 20:13 |
| fsmithred | shift-pageup should work | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | or if you're dealing with the dmesg output, you could do | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | dmesg | less | 20:23 |
| joerg | >><sensys> joerg, what can I clarify? It's just dd command<< that's obvious. Did you dd of=/dev/sdb ? and did the "error" actually happen after you ran that command ( && sync) ? Or is that dd completely unrelated to the "error" which actually happened in installer? | 20:28 |
| sensys | joerg, 0 errors with dd. But I receiving errors when installing. | 20:33 |
| sensys | btw, I reinstalled devuan now, but with desktop enviroment and wlan0 just working. How it can be related? | 20:35 |
| joerg | sorry, nevermind, I referred to a backscroll buffer msg from you that was obsoleted by your proceeding and conversation even the moment I sent my reply | 20:35 |
| sensys | but I wanted to install desktop environment after install base | 20:37 |
| fsmithred | you get network-manager with desktop | 20:39 |
| fsmithred | can you use wired internet? | 20:39 |
| sensys | yes, I can, but not now | 20:59 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, re: Shift-Pageup: I seem to recall reading that this feature was getting discontinued? If yes, that's insane, but the reply to objections was 'just use tmux or screen' IIRC | 21:26 |
| sensys | fsmithred, is there any advices? | 21:51 |
| sensys | can it be just the usb stick problem? | 22:13 |
| fsmithred | sensys, you would need to connect without network-manager. If wpasupplicant is installed, check man wpa_cli | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | If there's no encryption on the wireless, you might be able to use ifup or maybe ceni if either of those is installed. | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | Xenguy, I think you're right. shift-pgup isn't working for me and I remember you saying something about tmux. | 22:30 |
| Xenguy | fsmithred, With both screen and tmux, enter 'copy mode' with 'Ctrl-a' (or Ctrl-b for tmux) then '[', and you can then use 'PgUp/Dn'. To exist 'copy mode' in screen, I think you just press 'spacebar' once or twice, and for tmux you press 'Enter' I think. | 22:46 |
| Xenguy | s/exist/exit | 22:47 |
| sensys | fsmithred, I'm worried that maybe something else might not work correctly with such installation? | 22:50 |
| fsmithred | sensys, I think libreoffice won't work with such an installation. That's what you wanted, right? You will have to install the apps you want. | 23:00 |
| jayware | greetings...is there a standard package that devuan uses for ip masquerade? | 23:03 |
| jayware | right now my client get's it's ip address, but no connection to internet | 23:04 |
| sensys | thanks, you all, for help | 23:04 |
| jayware | I tried installing dnsmasq and it was interfering somehow and took out my host network completely, so removed | 23:05 |
| fsmithred | sensys, | 23:12 |
| sensys | ? | 23:12 |
| fsmithred | if you could use a wire, that would make it a lot easier. You could install the stuff you need including network-manager, and then set up the wireless | 23:12 |
| sensys | I can | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | in a graphical environement where it's easier | 23:13 |
| fsmithred | apt install xorg xfce4 network-manager-gnome | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | wireless-tools wpasupplicant | 23:14 |
| spine-o-saurus | hey when I launch a servicevia rc, what should I put in the script so that the service finds out if there is another service running,then stops that before actually running the service? | 23:18 |
| sensys | wireless-tools not found, but I can start xfce and connect wireless | 23:38 |
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