| rrq | in fact, that user needs access to /dev/tty0, /dev/ttyN (for virtual terminal N), /dev/fb0 and /dev/dri/card0 as well, but all those are for getting the graphics display working | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| darwin | opened a.JPG in GIMP and it's just black... opened it in Geeqie and it displays... I need to see it in GIMP and edit it... | 00:05 |
| rrq | I guess the first would be to start gimp on the command line so that it will print out error messages (if any) | 00:08 |
| gnarface | darwin: did you ever try copying the graphics-related kernel command-line arguments over from the live iso to that one that's not seeing the monitors? | 00:09 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/1320721/ | 00:10 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq, | 00:10 |
| AlexLikeRock | line : 52 | 00:11 |
| AlexLikeRock | 67.058] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. | 00:11 |
| AlexLikeRock | (-.-)U | 00:11 |
| rrq | it seems the chimaera version of Xorg requires logind + dbus | 00:11 |
| rrq | and that you don't have dbus ? or X11 can't find the socket to use ? | 00:12 |
| rrq | that line, 67.058, tells us that Xorg ignores those InputDevice snppets that I suggested you should comment out | 00:14 |
| AlexLikeRock | line 61: [ 67.074] (EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory) | 00:15 |
| AlexLikeRock | another big problem | 00:15 |
| AlexLikeRock | i dont now ? | 00:15 |
| rrq | yes | 00:15 |
| AlexLikeRock | how to install ? | 00:15 |
| darwin | not yet | 00:16 |
| darwin | there's only on monitor on that one, so despite you said you think it's offset, that'd be impossible I think | 00:16 |
| darwin | the GIMP thing is more urgent now | 00:16 |
| rrq | I though it would come as dependency with installation of xorg | 00:16 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock: ^ | 00:17 |
| gnarface | darwin: it's just that there can't be that many possibilities, and we're running low on stuff that hasn't been tried. there's no chance that machine might have 2 video cards and you forgot, is there? like maybe an onboard one you thought was disabled in the bios but accidentally got re-enabled... ? | 00:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | i found missing files | 00:17 |
| darwin | it doesn't have two | 00:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input : | 00:18 |
| darwin | it has onboard graphics but the CPU is too powerful to use it (no GPU in CPU) | 00:18 |
| darwin | so of course isn't enabled or I wouldn't get the text that does appear first | 00:18 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock: do you have dbus-x11 installed and libelogind0 ? | 00:18 |
| AlexLikeRock | inputtest_drv.so kbd_drv.so mouse_drv.so | 00:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | i dont now, let me check | 00:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | inputtest_drv.so kbd_drv.so mouse_drv.so coping >>> guest OS | 00:19 |
| rrq | this is not X11 itself having problem, but it will want access to inputs via logind and dbus | 00:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | oki | 00:20 |
| rrq | you need to have dbus and elogind started | 00:20 |
| AlexLikeRock | its installed dbus, and dbus-x11 , reinstaling .... | 00:21 |
| AlexLikeRock | elogind.... | 00:22 |
| AlexLikeRock | fine, letme reboot and try | 00:22 |
| AlexLikeRock | https://toot.community/@devuan/112637698286112043 | 00:23 |
| rrq | yeah, another bug with systemd; probably will be fixed. | 00:25 |
| AlexLikeRock | just imagine about at BANK SERVERS , THIS BUG !!!! | 00:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAH | 00:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | government servers | 00:27 |
| AlexLikeRock | jajajjajajaj | 00:27 |
| rrq | afaiui this one was so newly invented that it probably will bee weeded out before causing (additional) harm | 00:27 |
| rrq | anyhow we don;t need to talk about systemd at all really | 00:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | i bakc | 00:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq not work keyboard | 00:31 |
| gnarface | darwin: you might want to double check that it's disabled in the bios still, in case linux is doing something weird and switching the order on the fly or something. like i said, we have to check weird stuff because we ran out of all the obvious problems. | 00:34 |
| gnarface | darwin: in fact, just as a sanity check, you could also try plugging the monitor into it after the display goes black during boot | 00:35 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock: ok; does the log still complain about failing dbus contact? | 00:36 |
| rrq | gnarface, darwin: I saw somewhere they needed the uvesafb module in order for the kernel to handle 2560x1600 resolution | 00:39 |
| * rrq not my forte though | 00:40 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | rrq, yes | 00:45 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | [ 49.887] (EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory) | 00:45 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | [ 59.889] (EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory) | 00:45 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 00:45 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | wait.... | 00:47 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | downgrade .... | 00:47 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 1) dbus-x11 [1.12.24-0+deb11u1devuan1 (now, oldstable)] | 00:47 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | even if you want to program quietly without interruptions , you encounter these things: | 00:52 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | https://libreddit.kavin.rocks/img/nkxpwlerhd7d1.jpeg | 00:52 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | -.- | 00:53 |
| rrq | does the user running startx have access to /run/dbus/system_bus_socket and is there a system dbus process servcing it ? | 00:55 |
| rrq | "dbus-daemon --system" | 00:55 |
| * rrq is about to leave chat for a bit soon... | 00:57 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | root@DELL:~# dbus-daemon --system | 00:58 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | dbus-daemon[6927]: Failed to start message bus: The pid file "/run/dbus/pid" exists, if the message bus is not running, remove this file | 00:58 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 00:58 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | (now i am by CHROOT) | 00:59 |
| * AlexLikeRock_ kick the nuts to rrq , not let it go | 01:00 | |
| rrq | you are trying to run startx in chroot ? | 01:00 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | user@DELL:/root$ dbus-daemon --syste | 01:00 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 01:00 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | dbus-daemon [--version] [--session] [--system] [--config-file=FILE] [--print-address[=DESCRIPTOR]] [--print-pid[=DESCRIPTOR]] [--introspect] [--address=ADDRESS] [--nopidfile] [--nosyslog] [--syslog] [--syslog-only] [--nofork] [--fork] [--systemd-activation] | 01:00 |
| xrogaan | AlexLikeRock_: if you touch dbus, upgrade or restart, it'll then be non-functional for the remainder of your session. | 01:01 |
| xrogaan | Since I have a ssd, I restarted to fix dbus issues. Dunno if it would get fixed by logging out then logging back in again. | 01:01 |
| xrogaan | (just my 2cents) | 01:02 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock_: are you trying to run startx in chroot ? | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | user@DELL:/root$ startx | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hostname: No address associated with hostname | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | xauth: (stdin):1: bad display name "DELL:1" in "add" command | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | xinit: giving up | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | xinit: server error | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "DELL:1" in "remove" command | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | No se pudo conseguir un descriptor de fichero que refiera a la consola. | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | this message by normal user | 01:02 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock_: are you trying to run startx in chroot ? | 01:02 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | i can loggin LIKE root | 01:03 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | :-S | 01:03 |
| xrogaan | do you know what chroot is? | 01:03 |
| xrogaan | (hint: it is not root) | 01:03 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | well, yes | 01:03 |
| xrogaan | so, are you running startx in an environment created by chroot? | 01:04 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | ok, i got it | 01:04 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | im root one more time | 01:04 |
| * rrq biab | 01:04 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | not run startx by chroot | 01:04 |
| xrogaan | Okay, I'll assume you don't know what chroot is. chroot is a method through which you run processes in an environment that is detached from the main host. | 01:06 |
| xrogaan | By root, we understand the '/' folder. That's its name, "root". | 01:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hoolld | 01:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hold on | 01:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hold on | 01:06 |
| xrogaan | (because folders expands like a tree) | 01:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | by root , startx RUNNN | 01:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | its alive | 01:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | nad answer to my mouse and keyboard | 01:07 |
| xrogaan | cool. | 01:07 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | not run by , normal user , but yesh by root | 01:07 |
| xrogaan | rrq: sorry to steal your thunder. :P | 01:07 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | cool | 01:11 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | its open at TTY8 | 01:12 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | i have both Xorg running !!! | 01:12 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | pretty coool , without restart the PC | 01:12 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | pretty coool !!! | 01:12 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | one guy need talk to me , wait , for little moment | 01:13 |
| darwin | GIMP worked the second time | 01:22 |
| darwin | i'm having problems dictd not accessing a dictionary I configured in my home directory/folder | 01:22 |
| darwin | i backed up /etc/dictd then copied in my configuration from Slackware, did a diff, moved (after backup also) db.list to the different place it is on Devuan/Debian and updated that also. I had it working before this way on Kubuntu/Neon & Mint | 01:23 |
| xrogaan | I don't have dictd, what is it from? | 01:38 |
| rwp | onefang, What file system type are you using for that 22TB of storage that requires fsck? That's so ext* these days. Try xfs! It has a built-in fsck that reads the journal at mount time and will basically mount a dirty file system instantaneously. Or make the serious upgrade to zfs! FTW! :-) | 01:45 |
| onefang | That 22TB is spread across a few devices, but all ext4 these days, unless something specific needs to be FAT. | 01:46 |
| onefang | I'm considering RAIDing two of the old spinning rust drives, one of them isn't doing anything these days. | 01:47 |
| onefang | I've tried BTRFS in the past, it has at least one nasty bug that means never again. lol | 01:47 |
| onefang | XFS I haven't looked at. ZFS I think is over the top for me. | 01:48 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | rrq, | 01:49 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | ok, i got startx by chroot | 01:49 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | what next to X11 run dbus-x11 ? | 01:50 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock_: firstly, to remember, "root" and "chroot" are 2 completely different things. | 02:24 |
| rrq | next, please show result of: ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 02:24 |
| * xrogaan is confused | 02:27 | |
| gnarface | onefang: XFS is the only multi-threaded filesystem, and last i checked it also has the the largest max file size support. it's a good choice for file servers with big raid arrays | 02:55 |
| gnarface | that it also fscks way faster than ext4 is just a bonus | 02:56 |
| onefang | How does one delete a file where no one has write permission, not even root? Root can't delete it it seems. lol | 06:52 |
| mason | onefang: Is it a mount, and not a file? | 06:53 |
| onefang | It's a file. | 06:53 |
| gry | onefang, run the `file` command on it to see what it is | 06:53 |
| mason | onefang: And maybe lsof and see if something's holding it open. | 06:53 |
| onefang | The file is /ldlinux.sys It has NO w perms at all. Trying to delete it as root says I don't have permission. | 06:54 |
| mason | onefang: try with -f ? | 06:55 |
| onefang | Left over file after I deleted everything else on that partition. | 06:55 |
| onefang | Yep, tried that to. | 06:55 |
| onefang | I was trying to avoid reformatting it. lol | 06:55 |
| mason | onefang: I'd reboot and try again, and if it doesn't go then, fsck or similar. | 06:55 |
| rrq | if that's a FAT partition you might need to do some attrib fiddling | 06:55 |
| onefang | Plus curious about how there's a file root can't delete. | 06:55 |
| onefang | ext4 | 06:56 |
| rrq | does it have an "i" attrb | 06:56 |
| mason | "i"mmutable! | 06:56 |
| rrq | extended attributes | 06:56 |
| mason | lsattr | 06:56 |
| onefang | i and e. | 06:57 |
| mason | chattr -i the-file | 06:57 |
| onefang | File gone! Thanks. I never did mess with file attribs. | 06:58 |
| mason | Thank rrq. My worn out brain didn't think of it. | 06:59 |
| mason | (Rather, thanks, rrq!) | 06:59 |
| onefang | Though now that I have learned the bare minimum, time to do that to /etc/resolv.conf. lol | 07:01 |
| mason | onefang: This won't impact you, but note that systemd fights its way around an immutable resolv.conf. | 07:02 |
| mason | That said, I'd configure the system not to modify it rather than using +i. | 07:02 |
| mason | Just cleaner. | 07:02 |
| onefang | That's my preference to. | 07:03 |
| mason | I've got to hit the sack, but if you put some details in the channel I can suggest stuff to look at to keep it inviolate. | 07:03 |
| onefang | I think it's only being a problem while I'm half way through the system install, on first boot. Still testing. Isn't a problem on the current system. | 07:04 |
| onefang | Sleep well. | 07:04 |
| mason | ty, g'night | 07:06 |
| AlexLikeRock | init 6 | 07:37 |
| al1r4d | I just switched to Pipewire again since last month I had trouble with it. | 09:09 |
| al1r4d | I got experience when I was trying to connect TWS on Pulseaudio. When i switched to Pipewire, the problem was gone. | 09:10 |
| al1r4d | :) | 09:10 |
| AlexLikeRock | setxkbmap -model pc104 -layout us -option "" | 09:18 |
| AlexLikeRock | Authorization required, but no authorization protocol specified | 09:18 |
| AlexLikeRock | help me | 09:18 |
| gnarface | aren't you supposed to run that as your own user from within that user' | 09:21 |
| gnarface | ... from within that user's x session? | 09:21 |
| gnarface | did you? | 09:25 |
| gnarface | are you actually trying to do "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" mabye? | 09:25 |
| gnarface | *maybe | 09:26 |
| gnarface | (run that as root then restart xorg) | 09:26 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | gnarface, | 09:30 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration | 09:30 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found | 09:30 |
| gnarface | what?! | 09:30 |
| gnarface | it's in the debconf package, i can't imagine how you ended up without that... | 09:31 |
| al1r4d | AlexLikeRock__ /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure | 09:31 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | hehehhe | 09:31 |
| gnarface | oh, right, the stupid path thing again | 09:31 |
| gnarface | yea | 09:31 |
| gnarface | /usr/sbin | 09:31 |
| gnarface | sorry about that | 09:31 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | yes, it make a miss | 09:31 |
| al1r4d | :) nice | 09:31 |
| gnarface | the changes will not take effect in the current session, you'll have to restart X | 09:32 |
| gnarface | and you will have to run it as root | 09:32 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | why are migrate from /sbin to /usr/sbin ??? gnarface al1r4d ??? | 09:33 |
| al1r4d | i forgot, but there is a dng mailing lists talking about that | 09:34 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | give to me a little resumen | 09:34 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | please | 09:35 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | work fine : gnarface | 09:35 |
| al1r4d | AlexLikeRock__ -> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20240404.093948.b5ba8c13.en.html | 09:35 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock__: no, i just forgot it was in /usr/sbin/ and not /usr/bin/ | 09:37 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | ok | 09:38 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | init 6 && $(MKTEST) | 09:38 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock__: and they'd removed /usr/sbin/ and /sbin/ from root's default PATH, so i assumed that was the stupid path problem you were having... but make no mistake, it's just as infuriating | 09:38 |
| AlexLikeRock__ | ... | 09:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | its ME AGAIN | 09:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | not work keyboar with x11 | 09:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | i can use by tty , but not with X11 | 09:45 |
| gnarface | you're in the input group, right? | 09:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | i dont now | 09:47 |
| gnarface | run the command "groups" as your user | 09:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | DAMN !!! | 09:47 |
| gnarface | typically for a desktop user you're gonna want to be in the video, audio, and input groups | 09:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | this it too bad! | 09:47 |
| gnarface | maybe some others too | 09:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | # groups | 09:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | root adm disk lp plugdev saned pulse | 09:47 |
| gnarface | wait is that your regular user or root? | 09:48 |
| gnarface | run it not as root | 09:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | practily its empy ! | 09:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | root | 09:48 |
| gnarface | root has access to everything anyway, so that doesn't matter | 09:48 |
| AlexLikeRock | well , key board and mouse : not work with both | 09:48 |
| gnarface | but your own user should be in the input group | 09:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | $ groups | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | user adm disk lp cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev bluetooth lpadmin fuse scanner saned pulse pulse-access vboxusers kismet admin smbshare | 09:50 |
| gnarface | like everything but input | 09:50 |
| gnarface | nice | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | rigth | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | other tih | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | other tihk | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | i got sbus problems | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | let me show | 09:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | paste.debian.net/1320721 | 09:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | last 2 lines : | 09:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 110.450] (EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory) | 09:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 120.450] (EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory) | 09:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | 09:51 | |
| AlexLikeRock | i reintalll : dbus-x11 dbus elogind xserver-xorg-input-libinput lightdm slim | 09:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | any suggest ? | 09:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | gnarface, | 09:59 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq, | 10:01 |
| AlexLikeRock | ping | 10:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 Oct 3 2012 run -> /run | 10:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | run its inside of run ? | 10:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | wtf ? | 10:29 |
| rrq | I suppose that was ls -l /var/run | 10:30 |
| rrq | try ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 10:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | oh! | 10:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, im iside of var | 10:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | another path need to merge | 10:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | XD | 10:32 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq, nice to read you | 10:32 |
| rrq | try ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 10:33 |
| rrq | what does that say? | 10:34 |
| AlexLikeRock | i just f*ck it , wait for a second | 10:34 |
| AlexLikeRock | ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 10:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 jun 19 01:36 /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 10:37 |
| rrq | ok.. you did that as that non-root user I hope | 10:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | like root | 10:38 |
| AlexLikeRock | need delete ? | 10:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | and do it again ? | 10:39 |
| rrq | mmm it shuld be done by that non-root user exactly where that user fails when running startx | 10:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | well , startx not detect keyboard | 10:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | as root or normal user | 10:39 |
| rrq | ? I thought you said it worked for root ? | 10:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | to loing at startx , but without keyboard | 10:40 |
| rrq | could you please walk me through your sequence from boot-up | 10:42 |
| rrq | the machine boots up and presents a VT1 login prompt? | 10:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | start GRUB | 10:43 |
| rrq | ok | 10:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | init | 10:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | init 2 | 10:43 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: no idea about the dbus thing, seems like it should be working... for what it's worth though i also have dbus, dbus-bin, dbus-daemon, dbus-session-bus-common, and dbus-system-bus-common in addition to dbus-x11 | 10:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | TTY 1 | 10:43 |
| rrq | ok | 10:43 |
| AlexLikeRock | user ; root | 10:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | pass : (secret) | 10:44 |
| rrq | right... logging in as root | 10:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | startx | 10:44 |
| rrq | ok | 10:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | start MATE-DESKTOP | 10:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | FULL chaged | 10:44 |
| AlexLikeRock | but , mouse and keyboard : not answerd | 10:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | no work keyboard | 10:45 |
| rrq | ok hmm | 10:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | xorg = [ 120.450] (EE) dbus-core: error connecting to system bus: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound (Failed to connect to socket /run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory) | 10:45 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock: i also have xserver-xorg-input-evdev, xserver-xorg-input-kbd, xserver-xorg-input-libinput, and xserver-xorg-input-mouse | 10:46 |
| rrq | ok, although there us a socket | 10:46 |
| rrq | is | 10:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok, reintall all this gnarface | 10:46 |
| rrq | I'd say your issue is with dbus though | 10:47 |
| AlexLikeRock | not found : | 10:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | Nota, seleccionando «dbus» en lugar de «dbus-bin» | 10:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | Nota, seleccionando «dbus» en lugar de «dbus-daemon» | 10:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | Nota, seleccionando «dbus» en lugar de «dbus-session-bus-common» | 10:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | Nota, seleccionando «dbus» en lugar de «dbus-system-bus-common» | 10:51 |
| AlexLikeRock | E: No se ha podido localizar el paquete xserver-xorg-input-mouse␏ | 10:51 |
| rrq | no you should have installed dbus-x11 | 10:52 |
| rrq | you don't need xserver-xorg-input-mouse␏ or xserver-xorg-input-kbd | 10:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | its allready installed | 10:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | dbus-x11 ya está en su versión más reciente (1.12.24-0+deb11u1devuan1). | 10:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | 10:52 | |
| rrq | try: pgrep -a dbus | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | im by chroot | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | pgrep -a dbus | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | 1822 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | 2459 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session --sh-syntax | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | 2460 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --syslog --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | 2563 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --config-file=/usr/share/defaults/at-spi2/accessibility.conf --nofork --print-address 11 --address=unix:path=/run/user/1000/at-spi/bus_0 | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | 4501 /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system | 10:53 |
| rrq | what does "im by chroot" mean? | 10:53 |
| AlexLikeRock | its other partition of my laptop | 10:54 |
| rrq | have you done chroot /something and try to run X11 there? | 10:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | yesterday we did it | 10:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | they run fine by chroot , and work the keyboard | 10:55 |
| AlexLikeRock | but, whene reboot , and start the another partition , not work the keyboard | 10:55 |
| rrq | have you bind-mounted /dev/ and /run ? | 10:56 |
| rrq | it's not straight-forward to run X within a chroot | 10:56 |
| AlexLikeRock | /dev =yes | 10:57 |
| rrq | many things get confused by different processes having different "/" | 10:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | / run = now : no | 10:57 |
| AlexLikeRock | because , i try somting | 10:57 |
| rrq | so when you told me about /run/dbus/system_bus_socket, that was not within the chroot ? | 10:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | now : not , i just copy from this OS to GuestOS | 10:58 |
| AlexLikeRock | do you need to mount /run ??? | 10:59 |
| rrq | go into chroot and do ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 10:59 |
| rrq | everything must be set up correctly within the chroot | 11:01 |
| AlexLikeRock | ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 11:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 jun 19 01:36 /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 11:03 |
| rrq | so did you just bind-mount /run -> CHROOT/run ? | 11:04 |
| rrq | that might let root come past the dbus-socket issue | 11:05 |
| AlexLikeRock | no, sorry | 11:08 |
| AlexLikeRock | not exits : let me restart | 11:09 |
| AlexLikeRock | done | 11:15 |
| AlexLikeRock | im back | 11:15 |
| AlexLikeRock | . | 11:16 |
| AlexLikeRock | # ls -l /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 11:16 |
| AlexLikeRock | srwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 jun 19 02:13 /run/dbus/system_bus_socket | 11:16 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq, | 11:17 |
| rrq | ok; do you run X11 in the main filesystem while try to run another X11 in the chroot filesystem ? is that your use case? | 11:17 |
| AlexLikeRock | yes, i do yesterday | 11:18 |
| rrq | ok; thanks. good to have the use case established :) | 11:18 |
| rrq | it's possible but tricky | 11:19 |
| AlexLikeRock | non like pased from 32bit to 64 bit XDDDD | 11:19 |
| rrq | the chroot needs bind-mounts of /proc /dev and /run ... possibly /sys is good too | 11:20 |
| rrq | ordinarily that should be enough fpr root to run X11 ... but maybe via "startx -- vt8" or similar | 11:23 |
| rrq | i.e. that you tell explicitly which VT to use for X11 | 11:24 |
| rrq | non-root needs more | 11:24 |
| AlexLikeRock | im back | 11:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | well | 11:26 |
| rrq | is /tmp in chroot a tmpfs ? | 11:26 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount -o bind /tmp /media/alex/devuan1/tmp | 11:27 |
| rrq | oh... it's not a good idea to bind-mount /tmp | 11:27 |
| rrq | X11 sets up it's sockets in /tmp | 11:27 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok unomnt | 11:28 |
| AlexLikeRock | umount /tmp /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/tmp | 11:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | umount: /tmp: not mounted. | 11:29 |
| AlexLikeRock | what next ? rrq | 11:29 |
| rrq | mount -t tmpfs none /media/alex/devuan1/tmp | 11:29 |
| rrq | and same for ninos1 | 11:30 |
| AlexLikeRock | its the same once | 11:30 |
| rrq | all other bind-mounts are done? | 11:31 |
| rrq | then: startx -- vt8 | 11:31 |
| rrq | to start in vt8 | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount -t proc proc /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/proc | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount -t sysfs sys /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/sys | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount -o bind /dev /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/dev | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount -t tmpfs /tmp /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/tmp | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount --bind /dev/pts /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/dev/pts | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount --bind /run /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/run | 11:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | like that ? | 11:32 |
| rrq | yes I think that's good | 11:32 |
| rrq | then as root: startx -- vt8 | 11:33 |
| AlexLikeRock | somting are bad , | 11:34 |
| AlexLikeRock | restart | 11:34 |
| rrq | I need a short break .. back in a bit | 11:34 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 11:37 |
| AlexLikeRock | bad | 11:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/1320757/ | 11:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq, | 11:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | rrq, | 11:51 |
| fsmithred | he took a short break | 11:51 |
| fsmithred | I'm jumping in late so maybe I know nothing, but if you're trying to run two xservers, the second one should probably be :1 not :0 like it shows in your paste. | 11:52 |
| AlexLikeRock | [ 17.446351] input: ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device as /devices/virtual/input/input21 | 11:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | ok fsmithred | 11:54 |
| AlexLikeRock | im sleeep | 11:57 |
| rrq | AlexLikeRock: maybe continue next day | 12:09 |
| gry | rrq: AlexLikeRock left 13 minutes ago | 12:10 |
| rrq | ta | 12:10 |
| rrq | fsmithred: he tries to run a second X in a chroot | 12:11 |
| rrq | so that space of confusion is slightly inflated | 12:12 |
| fsmithred | rrq, I use xserver-xephyr to do that. | 12:12 |
| rrq | right. I know nothing about that | 12:14 |
| rrq | comes with instructions I guess? | 12:15 |
| rrq | but that'd be as window within the main, rather than a separate VT ? | 12:17 |
| fsmithred | yes, in terminal on the main desktop | 12:18 |
| rrq | I'm not sure about the boundaies of Al's use case | 12:19 |
| rrq | (just recently learnt about the chroot bit) | 12:20 |
| fsmithred | I think I reproduced Alex's problem. I was able to run a second desktop as root from vt2 - desktoo came up but mouse and keyboard didn't work. | 13:01 |
| fsmithred | second desktop from chroot | 13:01 |
| rrq | I think that ones need to be setup without autodetection of devices and then with explicit inputdevice snippets | 13:13 |
| rrq | somthing with udev being run in the main context and then being unable to tickle the chroot X | 13:14 |
| rrq | maybe that one needs the kbd and mouse drivers, if libinput can only handle autodetected | 13:15 |
| rrq | so, in short, the chroot one needs its /etc/X11/xorg.d/blah snippet with a ServerProeprties (or something) to turn off autodetetion, and 2 InputDevice block registering CoreKeyboard (event0) and CorePointer (mice) | 13:17 |
| rrq | speeling correctly and with the required syntax | 13:18 |
| rrq | or spelling :) | 13:18 |
| rrq | Section ServerFlags\n Option "AutoAddDevices" "off"\nNedSection | 13:28 |
| rrq | (near miss) | 13:30 |
| * rrq bedtime | 13:32 | |
| paculino | Is 30 GB good long-term for the root partition? I never thought I'd need 20 GB, but then I started compiling packages occasionally. Also, if rearranging partitions, is assuming it happens as quickly as data can be transferred (and only the used portion gets counted) a decent assumption? | 21:30 |
| rwp | That's one of those tough questions that changes over time as the system bloats and depends upon use case. | 21:36 |
| rwp | I think if you are compiling packages and things then I would compile them in /home on a separate partition. | 21:37 |
| rwp | I used to make root partitions 6GB with /var 3GB with a /home partition and have more than enough space. But now the system is bloated and that is difficult to maintain. | 21:38 |
| rwp | Ubuntu will default to 25GB root partitions. That seems like a lot to me but can also be not enough depending upon the use case. I have one system with 25GB root and 3.3GB used upon it and it is a waste there. | 21:39 |
| paculino | I do mostly compile in home using git-pbuilder, but stuff like octave and dillo I tend to compile with the dev dependencies actually installed. | 21:51 |
| golinux | I have always used 30ish GB for / and never had a issue | 21:53 |
| * debdog is at 61G usage but he has a lot of stuff in /usr/local | 21:53 | |
| gry | paculino: join #octave ? | 21:53 |
| paculino | Oh, I only recompile it when it gets an update, which has only been three times since using it. | 21:54 |
| golinux | I used to do a lot of graphics and AV editing. | 21:55 |
| paculino | Before adding build dependencies and packages that I rarely use, I was using under 16 GB in root, because I remember saying that I had enough to run everything but home in ram alone. | 21:57 |
| paculino | Is it likely to bloat over 10 extra GB for root in about five years (rough estimate of hard drive's remaining life)? | 21:57 |
| debdog | paculino: it really depends on your setup. eg lean WM or eyecandy bloated DE. you're the only one who can really decide based your needs | 22:00 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi people | 22:02 |
| paculino | I use mate (with Qt removed) but have been considering a wm for a while. If I only update packages and install any new dependencies, is it likely that they will grow in size by over 50% in five years? | 22:02 |
| AlexLikeRock | imback | 22:02 |
| paculino | Hello Alex | 22:02 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi | 22:02 |
| AlexLikeRock | o/ | 22:02 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi golinux | 22:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi rrq | 22:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | hi gnarface | 22:03 |
| AlexLikeRock | you rrq , are you ready to helpme again ? | 22:04 |
| AlexLikeRock | im ready ^_^ | 22:05 |
| golinux | Greetings AlexLikeRock! | 22:08 |
| golinux | rrq is most likely still asleep at this hour | 22:09 |
| golinux | Give him a few more hours . . . | 22:09 |
| debdog | AlexLikeRock: check chanlogs, IIRC the guys talked about your issue after you've left last time | 22:12 |
| AlexLikeRock | HAHAH | 22:13 |
| AlexLikeRock | debdog, they say : run startX at tty8 , but fail | 22:14 |
| AlexLikeRock | the problem are with new coomand | 22:14 |
| AlexLikeRock | mount -t tmpfs /tmp /media/alex/deVuan-ninos1/tmp | 22:14 |
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