| integfred | Hi. Thunar was messing up saving files and I was getting erratic behaviour. Did you know bash potentially has a memory leak? http://pastie.org/p/03l8H78eSpSyfq6qlFAvKV/raw | 01:29 |
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| systemd_is_crapw | Devuan guys... i want to convert to you. | 07:30 |
| systemd_is_crapw | Which ISO etc should i DL. 1. stable 2. testing 3. unstable ?? | 07:31 |
| systemd_is_crapw | which init system should i use? sysinvit , openrc, or runit | 07:31 |
| systemd_is_crapw | please show me the way to the faith | 07:31 |
| systemd_is_crapw | should i use Ceres or Daedalus | 07:42 |
| al1r4d | if you ask me | 07:42 |
| al1r4d | i choose testing | 07:43 |
| al1r4d | sysvinit | 07:43 |
| systemd_is_crapw | interesting interesting thanks for ur input :DDD | 07:43 |
| al1r4d | your welcome | 07:43 |
| systemd_is_crapw | dude like devuan is so cool. but i am trying to figure out how to install it. | 07:43 |
| systemd_is_crapw | xD | 07:43 |
| al1r4d | similar like debian | 07:44 |
| al1r4d | dont worry | 07:44 |
| systemd_is_crapw | i'm worr | 07:49 |
| systemd_is_crapw | :D | 07:49 |
| systemd_is_crapw | how is devuan pronounced | 08:03 |
| systemd_is_crapw | how i pronounce the word devuan | 08:03 |
| systemd_is_crapw | is it Dev - ooo- in. | 08:03 |
| systemd_is_crapw | Dev- one (like the word one). | 08:03 |
| systemd_is_crapw | does Devuan have like a "Software" center so to speak, or do i just gotta get things from aptitude? | 08:09 |
| systemd_is_crapw | and ppa's . etc | 08:09 |
| gordonDrogon | Dev Wan ? | 12:27 |
| gordonDrogon | (then realises they've gone) | 12:28 |
| djph | heh | 12:29 |
| brocashelm | 'sup DeVuan | 12:35 |
| gnarface | if that guy comes back and isn't a troll, someone just tell him to try out the stable live iso | 16:00 |
| gnarface | and tell him that yes, it has a fucking "software center" | 16:00 |
| gnarface | (strongly suspect that was a troll but it's hard to tell sometimes) | 16:00 |
| al1r4d | devuan = dev 1 = dev one | 16:21 |
| golinux | Too bad there wasn't anyone to provide good info | 16:56 |
| wato | Hello | 20:25 |
| gnarface | wato: hello, don't ask permission to ask permission, just ask | 20:25 |
| wato | Anyone here uses Devuan both for gaming and web development? | 20:26 |
| gnarface | probably everyonehere | 20:26 |
| gnarface | that's still not your real question though | 20:26 |
| gnarface | skip to the actual question | 20:27 |
| wato | Sorry, first time participating in a chat like this. I come from Linux mint (xfce) with i3. I had a lot of problems with packages, so i decided to install debian, a friend of mine recommended me Devuan, so here i am. I'm still a noob in this, just looking for some general warnings about Devuan. In my linux mint installation i had problems with Audio stability and Cpu governor settings, should this be more stable? | 20:28 |
| gnarface | mint isn't known for being super high quality, so yes | 20:29 |
| gnarface | however, audio is something poorly implemented and poorly understood in Linux, so you may have issues in EVERY distro. if you're more specific about which issues, i can often, but not always help (about 30% of the time it's manufacturer instigated driver issues that will never be fixed but the other 70% of the time it's user error because alsa configs are obtuse and pulseaudio is a hostile player) | 20:30 |
| gnarface | the cpu frequency governor settings are rock solid though and if you just need help understanding them i can help you with that easily | 20:30 |
| wato | Nice to know that Mint is not that high quality, i was using it at the office, but always felt a little bit rough. | 20:31 |
| gnarface | maybe your best choice would be to start with a live iso to test driver compatibility with your rig without having to commit to an install: https://files.devuan.org/devuan_daedalus/desktop-live/ | 20:31 |
| wato | That seems very reasonable, thank you for that | 20:31 |
| gnarface | well, there are economics involved. Mint wants everything to work out of the box and be easy for users, but chasing that goal they often, like Ubuntu, accidentally sacrifice stability by embracing "bleeding-edge" versions of stuff | 20:32 |
| wato | Is the 5.15 kernel version something to do with it? | 20:33 |
| gnarface | Devuan stable however, like Debian stable, commits to frozen major versions of stuff, which eliminates a lot of the risk of always chasing updates | 20:33 |
| gnarface | "Is the 5.15 kernel version something to do with it?" < no way to tell about this without isolating specific driver bugs related to your actual hardware. current Devuan and Debian stable however are using a highly patched-up 6.1 for whatever that's worth | 20:34 |
| gnarface | i have older kernels here running rock solid stable on older hardware too though | 20:35 |
| gnarface | it's all about which drivers you need and how well they support your particular devices | 20:35 |
| gnarface | usually cpu frequency governor drivers aren't a problem. audio often is, but also most the time the audio glitches can be easily fixed by some minor configs that there's only probably at most 1000 people on the planet who know how to do them | 20:36 |
| wato | That's so funny, because i feel i went on an adventure in the internet to find a few alternative configs | 20:37 |
| wato | None of them works | 20:37 |
| gnarface | well, start with that live iso and see if it's working. if not, i can help. | 20:37 |
| gnarface | (probably) | 20:37 |
| wato | Thank you very much, i will take care of your good disposition | 20:38 |
| gnarface | if i'm not around for alsa issue, there's always the #alsa channel on this irc network, the alsa-devel mailing list, or... wherever pulseaudio's support is | 20:38 |
| wato | Nice! | 20:38 |
| gnarface | the problem i'm seeing a lot lately is just that alsa is picking people's HDMI outputs as the default device, so it looks like it's working but they hear no sound because they're not using HDMI | 20:39 |
| wato | That the thing i was just going to describe | 20:39 |
| gnarface | very simple to fix | 20:39 |
| wato | :O! | 20:39 |
| gnarface | but i'm gonna need to see the output of "aplay -L" on your system (put it at paste.debian.net and give me the link; don't paste it in here) | 20:40 |
| wato | Ok! | 20:40 |
| wato | Let me go through the installation of Devuan, I dont want to touch this distro anymore | 20:40 |
| wato | I will be back | 20:40 |
| gnarface | ok, good luck | 20:40 |
| wato | Thank you very much! | 20:40 |
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