| ted-ious | Xenguy: What's wrong with native irc clients? | 01:16 |
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| Xenguy | ted-ious, Are you asking me what's wrong with bitchx? | 01:17 |
| ted-ious | Xenguy: I guess? | 02:03 |
| Xenguy | You are tedious, take to offtopic please | 02:03 |
| ted-ious | I'm only tedious when my irc client loses its connection and I have to put the - back in. | 02:04 |
| darwin | tried installing Devuan 6 on a PC with Radeon RX Vega 64 and 2560x1600 monitor but the screen is all garbled (was working fine before) | 04:32 |
| darwin | do medium resolutions not work? | 04:33 |
| al1r4d | hmm, i dont have experience on that, sorry | 04:35 |
| darwin | should I try Devuan 5? | 04:55 |
| al1r4d | maybe driver issues(?) | 04:57 |
| ted-ious | Isn't devuan 6 many months before it's finished? | 04:59 |
| brocashelm | a whole year plus a few months at the earliest | 05:06 |
| darwin | same happened on Devuan 5. The first screen displays fine, but as soon as I choose install it goes garbled | 05:55 |
| ted-ious | Which installer are you using? | 05:57 |
| darwin | devuan_daedalus_5.0.1_amd64_desktop.iso | 06:04 |
| darwin | image linked at http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=49732#p49732 | 06:05 |
| darwin | the image seems to have disappeared from imgur.com ... where should I upload instead? | 06:06 |
| ted-ious | darwin: Try this. https://envs.sh | 06:18 |
| ted-ious | And have you booted a live image yet to make sure your video card works? | 06:19 |
| darwin | it does | 06:19 |
| darwin | the first screen is fine | 06:19 |
| darwin | the second screen gets garbled | 06:19 |
| darwin | same happened on another PC with a different new video card and different monitor | 06:19 |
| darwin | it's been happening since at least Devuan 4. Someone said it's because of old kernel display drivers | 06:21 |
| darwin | previously ran other OS fine but those have more problems than Devuan | 06:21 |
| ted-ious | What first and second screen do you mean? | 06:26 |
| ted-ious | I don't think the live image has more than one screen. | 06:27 |
| darwin | of course it does | 06:32 |
| darwin | the first screen shows several/many options including at least three choices of installation type (standard, expert, another type) and more options | 06:32 |
| darwin | i just pressed enter which went to the next screen | 06:32 |
| darwin | the first screen is blue and white. The next probably has some red | 06:33 |
| ted-ious | That sounds like the installer not the live image. | 06:49 |
| darwin | i said I was installing | 06:52 |
| n4dir | did you try a live image? | 06:53 |
| n4dir | as in: too. | 06:53 |
| CueXXIII | darwin: sounds like your video card has problems with linux, what card are you using? | 06:55 |
| darwin | no, it doesn't; works fine on all other GNU/Linux | 06:55 |
| rrq | darwin: that first screen is part of bootloading; the second is the first one brought up by the kernel | 06:55 |
| darwin | a Radeon RX Vega 64 | 06:55 |
| rrq | you may need to instead press TAB on the first screen and then used a different vga= setting | 06:56 |
| rrq | ... before pressing ENTER to start the installation | 06:56 |
| darwin | i see | 06:56 |
| darwin | thanks; now able to install | 07:09 |
| CueXXIII | oh, there is a vga=788 per default in the boot line from grub, i guess you should remove that; and maybe remove the nomodeset, too | 07:11 |
| CueXXIII | seems vga=788 means 800x600 at 16 bit, i think newer graphic cards might no longer support that legacy mode | 07:16 |
| rrq | just to be really detail picky: the installer uses syslinux and not grub | 07:30 |
| rrq | (mostly because grub doesn't offer boot menu help pages) | 07:31 |
| darwin | why not make default 'vga=ask'? | 07:40 |
| rrq | I guess so far most installations have worked fine with the current default so there hasn't been a need to make the installation process more complex | 07:46 |
| ted-ious | darwin: vga=ask was removed from the kernel years ago. | 07:49 |
| ted-ious | I keep hoping they'll put it back in but I don't know what it would take. | 07:49 |
| darwin | it's not removed | 07:51 |
| darwin | i used it to install | 07:51 |
| ted-ious | Oh they finally did put it back in? | 07:54 |
| ted-ious | Wow I didn't think that would ever happen. | 07:54 |
| onefang | The problem with vga=ask is there's sooo many modes listed for modern cards that most of them scroll off the screen. So you need to know the mode you want anyway, unless you get lucky. | 07:55 |
| darwin | i've used it every year since about 1997 or '8 | 07:55 |
| onefang | I used it last year with a recent kernel. | 07:56 |
| ted-ious | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/92817/what-happened-to-vga-ask-in-newer-kernels | 07:58 |
| ted-ious | It has been replaced with video= which requires resolutions instead. https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/modedb.txt | 07:59 |
| ted-ious | Maybe debian has patches to add it back in? | 08:00 |
| CueXXIII | still the devuan installer specifies vga=788 for the kernel… | 08:02 |
| rrq | (and nomodeset) | 08:03 |
| CueXXIII | which is a 16bit mode - https://pendrivelinux.com/vga-boot-modes-to-set-screen-resolution/ | 08:03 |
| CueXXIII | debian 12.5.0 netinstall does so, too | 08:05 |
| darwin | i doubt it's patched--Slackware isn't but always worked | 08:29 |
| darwin | how can I install OpenCL ( to work like on repo.radeon.com/amdgpu-install/6.1/ubuntu )? I know some Debian users did a certain way? | 08:30 |
| CueXXIII | darwin: no idea if it works, but you could try the ubuntu install instructions | 08:38 |
| CueXXIII | https://rocm.docs.amd.com/projects/install-on-linux/en/latest/how-to/native-install/ubuntu.html | 08:38 |
| darwin | even I know you can't just follow those | 09:11 |
| darwin | i could tell you why but it's also a lot more complicate than what I know | 09:47 |
| darwin | never used CD but it keeps saying 'Media change: please insert the disc labeled 'Devuan GNU/Linux 5.0.1 daedalus amd64 - desktop 20230914' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]' | 10:14 |
| rrq | I think it easier to mount the CD manually and then use it with file:///path in sources.list ... (I've never had any luck with cdrom://) | 10:32 |
| rrq | iirr the cdrom variant requires a good fstab setup as well so it's messier | 10:34 |
| darwin | i did except linked it to /media/cdrom but it keeps asking me when in the middle of files | 10:40 |
| darwin | the ISO | 10:41 |
| rrq | check sources.list to make sure the cdrom entry is commented out | 10:41 |
| CueXXIII | do you have multiple cdrom: entires in /etc/apt/sources.list(.d/) ? | 10:41 |
| darwin | okay, but now it said: E: The repository 'file:/dcd daedalus Release' is not signed. | 10:45 |
| darwin | i didn't use a CD | 10:45 |
| darwin | i got that working now, but still not OpenCL | 10:56 |
| darwin | what you left out is you have to say '[trusted=yes]' | 11:04 |
| rrq | ta | 11:16 |
| rrq | which package(s) are you looking for? | 11:22 |
| dvbst | hello! is the update from devuan 4 to 5 100% seemless or is there a possibility that something might not work? should i back up my system? | 12:34 |
| joerg | you should always backup your system | 13:11 |
| archdummy | How to get grub-btrfs displaying near each snapshot what pre/post package apt was installing, as a comment? (As on arch) | 16:54 |
| archdummy | It seems that on debian and all, the grub only comments "apt" without any additional info on the CLI that was used... | 16:55 |
| archdummy | See screenshots here https://github.com/david-cortes/snapper-in-debian-guide | 16:56 |
| archdummy | https://github.com/david-cortes/snapper-in-debian-guide?tab=readme-ov-file#debian-with-automated-snapper-rollbacks | 16:57 |
| archdummy | Any spac-pac equivalent for apt? | 17:53 |
| archdummy | Any snap-pac * equivalent for apt? | 17:59 |
| toinou | test | 19:10 |
| plasma41 | archdummy: This source file https://sources.debian.org/src/snapper/0.10.6-1.1/debian/80snapper/ looks to be the one responsible for creating snapshots before and after an apt operation. It would probably need to be editted to be able to do what you want. | 20:20 |
| plasma41 | archdummy: Thanks for the link to that guide. I'll stash it away for my personal use later. | 20:33 |
| plasma41 | Also, I haven't checked in a while, but at one point the Debian maintainer for snapper had disabled the package's cron jobs as a workaround to some issue, expecting users to be able to rely on using systemd timers instead. That obviously won't work on Devuan. One of my back burner-ed projects is to get the cron jobs fixed and reintroduced into the Debian package. | 20:38 |
| golinux | archdummy: FYI . . . http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 20:53 |
| archdummy | plasma41: Damn, | 22:42 |
| archdummy | golinux: y'all are strong enough to quote me the codeline o-o | 22:43 |
| archdummy | I'm not skilled enough, but if y'all know someone who could do it, here is the snap-pac repo https://github.com/wesbarnett/snap-pac | 22:44 |
| archdummy | I can't tell for sure but I suspect it's the missing piece for getting detailed comments on grub screen / when issuing ~ snapper ls | 22:44 |
| archdummy | Why a broadcom wifi card has NO issues detecting networks when booting on debian live iso, but after proceeding to the install, it won't detect nothing? | 23:58 |
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