| rrq | I believe it was one of devuan_excalibur/installer-iso/*.iso (from "The Download Zone"). Source for those is in https://git.devuan.org/devuan/installer-iso.git .. and the installer does not run as "devuan". | 00:01 |
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| rrq | possibly there is some use case where an automatic "devuan" user is added, but then that user would/should have persisted into the installation as well. | 00:02 |
| fsmithred_ | rrq, mason, my /etc/subuid says 'user:100000:65536' which is not my primary user's name but is the primary user's name in the refracta live-iso I used to install this system. I think maybe he did install with the live iso, and that's where the devuan username came from. | 00:16 |
| mason | fsmithred_: That sounds likely. | 00:16 |
| fsmithred_ | do I need to change that to my actual user name? | 00:16 |
| mason | FWIW, unless you're doing something with unpriv'd virtualization, it's safe to rearrange those files at will. But it'll be scary for users. | 00:16 |
| mason | It's not wholly clear to me that every user *should* have a subuid range, fwiw. | 00:17 |
| fsmithred_ | un, I run qemu or vbox frequently | 00:17 |
| mason | fsmithred_: Those are heavyweight virtualization. If you're running a kernel, it's maintaining its own internal mappings. | 00:18 |
| fsmithred_ | ah, ok | 00:18 |
| mason | The subuid stuff only applies to things like LXC, Docker, podman, parts of LXD, etc. | 00:18 |
| systemdlete | once again, same old problem with thunderbird: There is no http or https entry in the attachments/mime list in settings. I've run into this in the past. | 02:44 |
| systemdlete | What's odd is that all the other thunderbird profiles seem to have these. It's just this one profile on the same installation of thunderbird. | 02:45 |
| systemdlete | Is there a way to create the entries for https (and maybe http)? | 02:46 |
| systemdlete | (any reasonable user would expect there to be a prompt or control to "add" a new entry--and maybe even to delete one!) | 02:46 |
| systemdlete | The other possiblitiy is to just start over again with a fresh profile, but that's annoying. | 02:47 |
| systemdlete | *possibility | 02:48 |
| systemdlete | just fyi: I did search and browse around mozillazine pages a bit. Found some near-answers, but nothing this specific. One note is that a poster replied that linux users should consult their distros rather than mozilla support because of the variations etc. | 02:56 |
| systemdlete | (so here I am) | 02:56 |
| systemdlete | I should also mention that I do NOT get the usual prompt the first time I click on a link asking me how I want to open the link (that's the behavior in the past when setting up a new firefox or tbird installation, as I recall). | 02:58 |
| systemdlete | but that isn't the behavior nowadays. | 02:58 |
| systemdlete | or so it seems... | 02:59 |
| gnarface | which thunderbird version and which devuan release? | 03:03 |
| gnarface | systemdlete: ^ | 03:06 |
| systemdlete | It's beowulf (starlinux) and tbird 115.9.0 | 03:10 |
| systemdlete | starlinux kirk, and I believe that may be beowulf | 03:12 |
| systemdlete | and I know that's rather old, but since the other profiles on that system work, I assume it is not a problem, per se, with beowulf | 03:13 |
| systemdlete | and that system has all the updates to current. | 03:13 |
| gnarface | hmm, is that the thunderbird version that's supposed to go with it? | 03:14 |
| gnarface | because 115.9.0 is current stable (daedalus) | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | installed from the repos, so yes | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | as far as I can tell | 03:14 |
| gnarface | i see it here on mine, but maybe that profile got corrupted, there's precedent for that | 03:14 |
| systemdlete | we have seen this before, some years ago I think | 03:15 |
| systemdlete | as I said, I could just go away and start that profile from scratch. At this point, I am sensing that might be the simplest for everyone (except me, of course, but I am only one person) | 03:15 |
| systemdlete | I think I am going to file a request to add a feature to add/delete mime types. I don't know why that doesn't exist already... after all these years. | 03:16 |
| gnarface | does seem strange | 03:19 |
| gnarface | i wonder how hard it would be to find where they're actually stored and insert them manually? | 03:20 |
| gnarface | it occurs to me that perhaps they're actually present in the profile but just not being rendered due to some parsing bug only triggered by whatever you've set them to before | 03:20 |
| systemdlete | well, maybe this: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=573832 | 03:21 |
| systemdlete | so perhaps I can just copy the rdf file, or edit it | 03:22 |
| gnarface | oh | 03:23 |
| gnarface | it's just a XML file | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | that bug, btw, is 13 years old... and seemingly unresolved. | 03:23 |
| gnarface | you can probably edit it | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | aha! | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | yes | 03:23 |
| gnarface | i noticed something in my profile just now that might be relevant | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | unless it is checksumeed and kept in another file that is binary | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | lol | 03:23 |
| systemdlete | j/k | 03:23 |
| gnarface | i seem to have multiple of these files and one is marked "....rdf.backup_thunderbird_migration-2017..." | 03:23 |
| gnarface | so, see if some update also made multiple copies of yours too | 03:24 |
| gnarface | that might give a clue as to when it broke | 03:24 |
| systemdlete | yeah, I am SURE we have encountered this already. | 03:24 |
| gnarface | you might just be able to edit it or copy another working one (or parts of one anyway) from elsewhere | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | There was some "weirdness" for a time about 2 or 3 months ago, right around when I created this profile... where the calendar or tasks lists were not getting pulled through correctly from older releases | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | it looks like they are all caught up now, but they were not being updated correctly for a while there. | 03:25 |
| systemdlete | Heck, I can just copy it from another profile. | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | Let me try that. | 03:26 |
| gnarface | if you diff them it'll probably be obvious why it broke | 03:26 |
| systemdlete | well this is interesting. I have about 8 profiles (which I DO NOT USE ALL AT ONCE for petes sake, ok?). (In fact, I rarely use most of them) | 03:28 |
| systemdlete | BUT | 03:28 |
| systemdlete | most of them do not even have that file! | 03:28 |
| systemdlete | I'm going to try shutting down that profile, copy over one of the others that do exist, and restart tbird with that profile | 03:29 |
| gnarface | good luck | 03:30 |
| onefang | 13 year old bug? Soon the bugs will be old enough to drink, then there will be chaos! | 03:30 |
| systemdlete | well, the https entry now appears in the list... | 03:32 |
| systemdlete | yuppers. That was it! | 03:32 |
| systemdlete | it works now. | 03:33 |
| systemdlete | I hate all the changes they've been making to tbird in the last year or so. The UI was the last thing that needed work. | 03:33 |
| systemdlete | Issues like THIS one need attention more than the silly and (IMO) useless "improvements" to the UI | 03:34 |
| systemdlete | Thank you for your help, as always. | 03:35 |
| gnarface | no problem | 03:35 |
| onefang | Same as I hate some of the changes to neomutt email client, I'm still using the ASCII version, coz later ones have this horrid delete bug. It'll mark several random emails as to be deleted, then ask you if you want to purge them when you switch folders. If you are not paying attention and you actually marked something to be deleted, you'll purge those extra random ones to. | 03:39 |
| gnarface | yikes | 03:45 |
| systemdlete | one thing I have been learning to do, slowly, as I get older and (hopefully) more astute with software, is to READ *all* the dang messages that programs pop at me. I am finding it rather tedious, but also saving my s. | 03:45 |
| onefang | This is interesting. I'm going through my logs, looking at the IP addresses that are being reported for various nefarious activity on my servers. Usually I'll do a dig -x on them, find out who they are, and add them to my firewall if they are not some cloud being used temporarily. Now I'm getting "rcode=REFUSED" for some of them, even trying from several different computers. A quick search suggest that peopl can block reverse IP lookups on | 04:06 |
| onefang | their IPs? That's nasty! | 04:06 |
| onefang | In case you are wondering, fail2ban fails to ban. I think coz no actually useful rules are activated by default, which seems odd. The only rule I have ever seen actually do anything, was the one I wrote myself. So I have to do this shit manually. I have a TODO to go over fail2ban again and see if it can be convinced to actually ban. | 04:08 |
| gnarface | it's been a long time since you could trust the reverse lookups to be true anyway | 04:11 |
| gnarface | you can still whois them | 04:11 |
| gnarface | (which can also be full of bogus data, but at least international law prohibits that, so usually it's true) | 04:12 |
| onefang | My own name server offers whois privacy, they put their contact details instead of mine. | 04:17 |
| onefang | Which I think is legal. | 04:17 |
| systemdlete | So I filed an enhancement request at mozilla bugs. Hopefully they will consider including the idea in the future and they don't give that BS "WONTFIX" crap. What I'm requesting should be fairly straightforward; no complicated logic. | 04:22 |
| onefang | Does anyone know where the Ctrl-Alt-Fx keys are defined, so I can switch them to some other keystroke in my test VM? So I can have different keys for the guest and the host, otherwise the host switches, not the guest. | 05:23 |
| onefang | Yes, I know, I can just get the VM to grab input, I don't like it when it does that. | 05:25 |
| onefang | For the same reason I hate it when "fullscreen" means "grab input". | 05:25 |
| gnarface | good question, i'd guess maybe the init has to handle it? | 05:37 |
| gnarface | maybe both the init and xorg though | 05:37 |
| gnarface | well, either way, maybe you can make the window manger in the VM capture some other sequence and translate it to ctrl+alt+fx locally | 05:45 |
| gnarface | i guess that doesn't really leave you with a way to get back though, hmmm | 05:45 |
| rrq | the VT switch action is a kernel thingy, and the kernel recignises them in in text mode at least | 05:50 |
| rrq | then I think in graphical mode the window manager grabs kb events and captures those, mapping them to chvt actions | 05:52 |
| rrq | I guess the "easy way" would be to define new/different kb events for the VM window manager, and map those to chvt actions for the VM | 05:54 |
| rrq | though the VM in text mode wouldn't have the kb event capture | 05:56 |
| rrq | I suppose alternatively the host window manager could capture those new kb events and map them to "sendkey" commands on the qemu monitor channel | 05:59 |
| rrq | (provided the mouse is within the VM display window maybe) | 05:59 |
| onefang | I need to be root for chvt to work? Getting "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console." but works fine if I sudo it. | 07:01 |
| CueXXIII | onefang: the ctrl+alt+fn in X is handled by xorg directly, acc. to xorg(1) configurable via the xkb config. alt+fn on the virtual consoles without x is handled by the kernel | 07:02 |
| CueXXIII | onefang: yeah, you need to be root | 07:03 |
| systemdlete | anyone here fairly expert on git? | 07:04 |
| systemdlete | (not sure if this is the right devuan venue, or if I need to #git the f out of here with this question) | 07:04 |
| onefang | OK needing to be root wont work for roconfiguring my window manager to do that. I'd have to open up a terminal, so I can type in my sudo password. Pfft. | 07:05 |
| onefang | Where is this xkb config? | 07:05 |
| CueXXIII | onefang: you could give sudo permission to run chvt without password | 07:06 |
| CueXXIII | the xkb config - it depends. basically nowhere, it may be changed by your desktop, or you have to run xmodmap manually | 07:07 |
| onefang | Too much fucking around. Simple thing to do would be to edit "Alt" to "Mod4" in some config file somewhere. That'd be my preference. | 07:07 |
| CueXXIII | onefang: looks like you could adapt the last answer of https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/414071/how-do-i-switch-to-linux-terminal-from-xorg-via-xf86switch-vt-1-controlaltf1 | 07:11 |
| joerg | onefang: man sudoers | 07:12 |
| onefang | Ah where it says "this is definitely an ugly hack" lol | 07:14 |
| CueXXIII | systemdlete: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html | 07:14 |
| onefang | I know how to do sudoers. | 07:15 |
| CueXXIII | onefang: for the issue of the original question, yes it is | 07:16 |
| onefang | I had already tried the first half, but then got stuck wit "where do I put this". I'll try it now. | 07:17 |
| systemdlete | CueXXIII, ??? | 07:18 |
| systemdlete | I'm just trying to get some help that's all. Nothing complicated. | 07:18 |
| CueXXIII | systemdlete: well, nobody would ever answer yes to your original question | 07:18 |
| systemdlete | I'm over on #git with my question | 07:19 |
| CueXXIII | tl;dr: don't ask if you can ask | 07:19 |
| systemdlete | (not true, CueXXIII, I get plenty of responses here) | 07:19 |
| systemdlete | CueXXIII, you seeem to misunderstand. I simply didn't know if git is off-topic here. | 07:19 |
| systemdlete | Nothing to do with how to ask or asking to ask | 07:19 |
| systemdlete | see? | 07:20 |
| systemdlete | And yes, I've read that page more than once in my lifetime! | 07:20 |
| CueXXIII | nah, i meant: "<systemdlete> anyone here fairly expert on git?" is not a question anyone would answer with yes, unless they are paid to do git support | 07:22 |
| systemdlete | CueXXIII, I think this part of the convo here should move to -offtopic | 07:27 |
| mason | systemdlete: Hitting the sack, but "don't ask to ask" - toss up your question and it might get a response. | 07:51 |
| mason | I'll check for it in the AM. | 07:51 |
| systemdlete | mason: Thanks, but I have decided that git is probably off-topic here. If I do post anything, I'll do it in offtopic. Or can I pm you? | 08:02 |
| systemdlete | and, mason, as I mentioned, I just didn't want to ask in the wrong place. And I think this was not the right place to ask. My bad. | 08:03 |
| systemdlete | I have posted my question over in #git. It is about 8 lines now, which I think might be a bit spammy for devuan support. | 08:04 |
| fonky123 | hi all | 11:26 |
| onefang | G'day. | 11:26 |
| fonky123 | anyways installing 1.0 -> upgrade 2 beowulf works -> upgrade that 2 daedalus libc6 dependancies fail | 11:27 |
| fonky123 | using only base install and going from there on | 11:27 |
| fonky123 | and no screen shananigans | 11:27 |
| fonky123 | works like a charm | 11:27 |
| fonky123 | if going directly from jessie 2 daedalus shit happens and cannot log in | 11:28 |
| fonky123 | prolly elogind | 11:28 |
| fonky123 | nor root nor basic user | 11:28 |
| gnarface | that's basically expected | 11:29 |
| fonky123 | :)) | 11:29 |
| onefang | Was that straight beowulf to daedulas? We generally recommend upgrading one version at a time, so that would have been beowulf -> chiwaera -> daedulas. | 11:29 |
| fonky123 | reboot inbetween | 11:29 |
| gnarface | debian's official documentation even says you can't skip releases between upgrades | 11:29 |
| fonky123 | same from jessie 2 beowulf | 11:29 |
| fonky123 | this one worked | 11:29 |
| fonky123 | but in installer non graphical i didnt perform choice of installing additional software and kept it at base | 11:30 |
| gnarface | it can usually be made to work, it's just not advised | 11:30 |
| brocashelm | don't do that | 11:30 |
| fonky123 | im trying workarounds because i cant get graphical installer working in 5.01 and 6.0 | 11:30 |
| brocashelm | there is no devuan 6.0 yet | 11:31 |
| fonky123 | there is some sort of iso i think | 11:31 |
| gnarface | usually that's a kernel/driver issue | 11:31 |
| fonky123 | codename excalibur | 11:31 |
| brocashelm | that's testing | 11:31 |
| brocashelm | even further than daedalus | 11:31 |
| brocashelm | you would want to upgrade to the next release each time | 11:32 |
| brocashelm | a lot of configs and packages have changed within two years | 11:32 |
| fonky123 | nah i like oldoldoldstable | 11:32 |
| brocashelm | and that's fine | 11:33 |
| brocashelm | just don't jump ahead of releases if upgrading | 11:33 |
| fonky123 | the trick is, it should not be some of that kernel/driver but then again live works perfectly | 11:33 |
| fonky123 | with live 6.1.0-10-amd64 works like a breeze | 11:34 |
| gnarface | fonky123: note that as of 5.0 (daedalus), they've moved all the non-free drivers and firmware from "non-free" to "non-free-firmware" | 11:34 |
| gnarface | non-free still exists, it's just not for drivers and firmware anymore | 11:34 |
| fonky123 | oh, neat | 11:35 |
| brocashelm | debian decision | 11:35 |
| gnarface | if your video hardware needs non-free stuff to work, that's probably why it doesn't work after 4.x | 11:35 |
| fonky123 | im trying newer versions because silly nvidia drivers like those | 11:35 |
| fonky123 | there is a deb non-free-firmware i suppose | 11:35 |
| fonky123 | seen that installed but not sure if i was playing with live or not | 11:36 |
| fonky123 | let me try that | 11:36 |
| fonky123 | brb | 11:36 |
| fonky123 | hi all | 15:07 |
| fonky123 | if installing lxde from base on beowulf there are dependancy problems | 15:07 |
| fonky123 | using only beowulf repo + updates + security | 15:08 |
| fonky123 | over and out :) | 15:08 |
| fonky123 | oh x64 | 15:08 |
| fonky123 | install was done from jessie (base only) -> beowulf (base only) dist-upgrade and from there on some desktop | 15:10 |
| ted-ious | So you started with debian jessie and upgraded it to beowulf? | 15:12 |
| ted-ious | I'm surprised that worked at all. | 15:12 |
| ted-ious | I think I would keep upgrading beowulf to chimaera to daedalus before trying to install anything else. | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | there was a devuan jessie | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | why do you want beowulf? | 15:14 |
| fonky123 | 2 daedalus it does not compute | 15:14 |
| fonky123 | locks you out | 15:14 |
| gnarface | why skip ascii? we already said upstream doesn't support skipping releases during upgrades... | 15:14 |
| fonky123 | cant login on tty1-x | 15:14 |
| fonky123 | nor in a graphical environment | 15:14 |
| fonky123 | even if you slightly offer a daedalus dvd 2 get stuff from it | 15:15 |
| fonky123 | fsmithred nlamia drivers | 15:15 |
| fonky123 | llvm and some other libs | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | never heard of it | 15:16 |
| fonky123 | never tried with non-latest | 15:16 |
| fonky123 | right now im using intel igpu | 15:17 |
| ted-ious | fsmithred: I think nlamia is negative slang for nvidia. :) | 15:17 |
| fonky123 | nlamia equates 2 nvidia | 15:17 |
| fonky123 | yes | 15:17 |
| fonky123 | :) | 15:17 |
| fonky123 | its a bit nasty this nvidia official driver | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | ok, google told me about a child-eating monster named Lamia, so maybe there's a connection. | 15:18 |
| fonky123 | the card is sold as overclocked and the driver still pushes that overclock 19% further | 15:18 |
| fonky123 | not sure why but i will have to read some stuff how2 disable overclocking out of the box via driver | 15:19 |
| ted-ious | fonky123: If daedalus doens't work with your nvidia card I think the best way to handle that is to solve the driver problem in daedalus. | 15:19 |
| fonky123 | was playing some game over wine | 15:19 |
| ted-ious | Not downgrading 4 or 5 versions. | 15:19 |
| fonky123 | installed from jessie, so everything is an upgrade | 15:19 |
| ted-ious | I think you are missing the point. :) | 15:20 |
| fonky123 | the thing is i dont really need that card, not playing anything | 15:20 |
| ted-ious | It's a downgrade compared to running daedalus. | 15:20 |
| fonky123 | and it does suck additional 175w when used | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | you have jessie just a base system or a full desktop system? | 15:20 |
| fonky123 | just base | 15:20 |
| fonky123 | installed from iso-dvd | 15:20 |
| fonky123 | no package manager choices | 15:20 |
| fonky123 | no additional software installed from installer | 15:21 |
| fonky123 | straight 2 lilo and reboot | 15:21 |
| fsmithred | ok, but why jessie? | 15:21 |
| fonky123 | because im not missing the point :) | 15:21 |
| fonky123 | daedalus | 15:21 |
| fonky123 | does not work with intel igpu | 15:21 |
| fonky123 | at preamble.gz | 15:21 |
| fonky123 | when expected 2 get installer options like language and keyboard i get a fuzzy picture | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | what qualifies as igpu? I have several intel boxes here. | 15:22 |
| fonky123 | intel sandy brigde 2600 non k integrated in2 cpu | 15:22 |
| fonky123 | h67m motherboard brand asrock | 15:23 |
| ted-ious | Oh ok this is the same problem from a few days ago. | 15:23 |
| fonky123 | using 1.4 hdmi cable and aoc g2778v screen | 15:23 |
| fonky123 | yeah :) | 15:23 |
| fonky123 | same problem | 15:23 |
| fonky123 | but jessie works graphically | 15:23 |
| fonky123 | and so does beowulf | 15:23 |
| fonky123 | and yes i do have 2 use 3.14 kernel | 15:24 |
| ted-ious | So the same hardware works fine with jessie and beowulf but not anything newer? | 15:24 |
| fonky123 | daedalus live dvd works like a charm | 15:24 |
| ted-ious | Ok then there was a regression in a driver or some kernel behavior. | 15:25 |
| fonky123 | noapic and nolapic entered via installer on iso-dvd gets me some kernel panic | 15:25 |
| fonky123 | no matter what vga=<was entered> i still get screen distortion | 15:26 |
| fonky123 | ill just happily sit this one out and wait for lxde-base on beowulf | 15:26 |
| fonky123 | on a live :) | 15:26 |
| ted-ious | What is this computer supposed to be used for? | 15:29 |
| fonky123 | oh, not related but kali live 2023 gets me also some sort of error while trying 2 install inxi | 15:29 |
| fsmithred | fonky123, I might have one of those (lxde beowulf live) | 15:29 |
| fonky123 | errors around libc-bin | 15:29 |
| fsmithred | but if daedalus desktop-live works, then daedalus installed should work. | 15:30 |
| fonky123 | nah its fine | 15:30 |
| fonky123 | never used refracta | 15:30 |
| fonky123 | and its a bit :) | 15:31 |
| fonky123 | i do miss sorely textual installer, what debian 6 had | 15:31 |
| fonky123 | and previous | 15:31 |
| ted-ious | Devuan server has that. | 15:31 |
| fonky123 | oh :) | 15:32 |
| ted-ious | So does debian server as of the last time I tried. | 15:32 |
| fonky123 | then there should be no problems | 15:32 |
| fonky123 | will try that out, have tons of empty media | 15:32 |
| ted-ious | The problem I had with those installers is they won't let you install into an existing or custom formatted filesystem. | 15:33 |
| ted-ious | So you can't make a good ext4 image without a journal for your vm's running on a ssd host. | 15:33 |
| fonky123 | if empty and linux partition provided chown root and chmod 777 should work | 15:33 |
| fonky123 | but i never tried, hypothetically | 15:34 |
| ted-ious | Should is not the same as does. :) | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | you can select existing partitions and choose not to format them with d-i | 15:34 |
| ted-ious | I spend dozens of hours trying every combination I could find. | 15:34 |
| ted-ious | fsmithred: What is d-i? | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | debian/devuan-installer | 15:35 |
| fonky123 | debian installer? | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 15:35 |
| fonky123 | :) | 15:35 |
| ted-ious | Is that debootstrap? | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | the one that's in the installer isos | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | debootstrap is a command-line method to make a base install | 15:35 |
| fsmithred | I don't think d-i uses debootstrap, but I could be wrong. | 15:36 |
| fonky123 | ID_MODEL_FROM_DATABASE=2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller | 15:36 |
| fonky123 | let me get some pretier codename | 15:37 |
| fonky123 | Intel HD 2000 graphics sollution | 15:38 |
| fonky123 | solution* | 15:39 |
| fonky123 | oh, i have only 400w psu, need 600w for the nvidia 1060 | 15:41 |
| fonky123 | and that 400w is something like athlon xp had | 15:41 |
| fonky123 | PR rating | 15:41 |
| fonky123 | and the 6v rail cable is way 2 short | 15:42 |
| fonky123 | and i canot get it under the gpu | 15:42 |
| fonky123 | so over is the only way | 15:42 |
| fonky123 | the 8pin cpu yes please more juice from the psu cable | 15:43 |
| fonky123 | those also started popping up the time around athlon xp | 15:44 |
| fonky123 | one last rant, also around when those cpu popped, the athlons even a microsoft os was os | 15:46 |
| fonky123 | first time i tried xp was 2012 | 15:51 |
| fonky123 | sweet lpr is in the repos :) | 15:52 |
| fonky123 | was it not in the installer one could choose role of pre-selected-packages2_be_installed | 15:59 |
| fonky123 | oh, one more do i have to update ca-certificates in order 4 connecting 2 irc.libera.chat:6697 | 16:01 |
| fonky123 | on irssi | 16:02 |
| fonky123 | is any desktop-environment besides lxde that does not have pulseaudio dependancy? | 16:37 |
| fonky123 | on devuan | 16:37 |
| golinux | I have never used pulseaudio on Devuan not ever. | 16:40 |
| fonky123 | neither did i :) | 16:40 |
| amarsh04 | fonky - I'm on Devuan unstable (Ceres) and am running with pipewire and no actual pulseaudio, just some pulseaudio related stuff for those apps that expect it | 16:41 |
| fonky123 | but for mate desktop, cinnamon desktop, gnome-desktop, kde prolly aswell the list of 2_be installed is amongst others pulseaudio | 16:41 |
| fonky123 | amarsh is the repo deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres main? | 16:41 |
| fonky123 | just asking as i would give it a try | 16:42 |
| fonky123 | oh, actually no | 16:43 |
| amarsh04 | the trick is that you have to set up start-up scripts for pipewire | 16:43 |
| amarsh04 | I have: deb http://sledjhamr.org/devuan/merged ceres main contrib non-free non-free-firmware | 16:43 |
| fonky123 | the prefered choise for me is alsa | 16:43 |
| fonky123 | i really dont want any other audio than alsa | 16:44 |
| fonky123 | but you have prolly used and compiled things on your own | 16:44 |
| amarsh04 | a bit of discussion here: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=47569#p47569 | 16:46 |
| fonky123 | i kind of dont like doing it by myself as it is tedious because any "package" needs 2 be archived and baked for safe keeping | 16:46 |
| fonky123 | i like it the mcdonalds drive in way :D | 16:47 |
| * fonky123 pets apt | 16:47 | |
| fonky123 | if not archived it ends up the way kernel.org did | 16:47 |
| fonky123 | besides the mess on a filesystem and paths all the way | 16:48 |
| amarsh04 | I use aptitude mainly, plus a little bit of dpkg -i for packages that I have built myself (kernels, c-kermit mainly) | 16:50 |
| fonky123 | o(_ _)o | 16:53 |
| fonky123 | got any 2.x era kernels? | 16:54 |
| amarsh04 | not any more, first installed Linux (Debian) in June 2004 at home | 16:54 |
| fonky123 | it was 1998 when i first saw debian | 16:55 |
| amarsh04 | had used Debian before at work | 16:55 |
| fonky123 | paps was into linux back then, and chose mandriva/mandrake/redhat over debian | 16:55 |
| fonky123 | he didnt like debian | 16:56 |
| fonky123 | and i instantly loved it | 16:56 |
| fonky123 | not 2 be a rebel, but it looked best | 16:56 |
| fonky123 | was using windows at that time | 16:56 |
| fonky123 | i think it had gnome as default | 16:56 |
| fonky123 | it was like kde is more european and gnome more american | 16:57 |
| fonky123 | that was his rant | 16:57 |
| djph | kde is ... well, something | 16:57 |
| fonky123 | kde is very nice | 16:57 |
| djph | but probably a tick OT for here | 16:57 |
| fonky123 | haha :) | 16:57 |
| fonky123 | k3b was a darling | 16:58 |
| fonky123 | when hard drives were up to 60GB | 16:58 |
| fonky123 | it took half a day, but it was managable | 16:58 |
| fonky123 | thanks for all the help and have a nice day all | 17:01 |
| golinux | This is getting OT. Please continue on #devuan-offtopic | 17:02 |
| golinux | Or maybe it has already ended . . . | 17:03 |
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