| tom-1 | Hi all. Please tell me where I made a mistake when adding a mirror? | 12:45 |
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| tom-1 | deb https://mirror.ungleich.ch/mirror/packages/devuan chimaera main | 12:46 |
| tom-1 | sudo nano /etc/sources.list | 12:46 |
| stable_z | tom-1: the official default config is | 12:52 |
| gnarface | tom-1: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main | 12:52 |
| stable_z | deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera | 12:52 |
| stable_z | sorry, as gnarface wrote: deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera main | 12:53 |
| stable_z | see https://www.devuan.org/os/packages | 12:54 |
| tom-1 | stable_z: Hello .I understand what you are talking about, I downloaded a new key and use it:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/6101a2aac9af573eda33415299f4841bbf6c8b82>) | 12:57 |
| tom-1 | * stable_z: Hello .I understand what you are talking about, I downloaded a new key and use it:... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/0e574e9640b94c1edb528d385adec3babc35a1e9>) | 12:57 |
| tom-1 | deb https://mirror.ungleich.ch/mirror/packages/devuan chimaera main ??? | 12:57 |
| tom-1 | 👉️ https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 12:58 |
| rrq | tom-1: you misspell "merged" | 12:58 |
| tom-1 | rrq: 🙏🤝 | 12:58 |
| tom-1 | deb https://mirror.ungleich.ch/mirror/packages/devuan/merged chimaera main | 12:59 |
| tom-1 | like this right? | 12:59 |
| stable_z | tom-1: ungleich.ch seems to be offline... | 13:00 |
| tom-1 | stable_z: it's not important, I'm just an example, I'll change it to another server, thanks for pointing out my mistake | 13:01 |
| tom-1 | stable_z: I checked everything works thanks! | 13:10 |
| tom-1 | Please tell me when I install the server option should I see the choice of environment as in this screenshot or will I only have two ssh options and a set of minimal programs? | 13:10 |
| * tom-1 uploaded an image: (9KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/chat.dotmavriq.life/rcxAuDqYEnkNMGmMzkOECqoa/Screenshot_2023-05-31_07-10-30.png > | 13:10 | |
| stable_z | tom-1: you can select / combine as many options as you like. | 13:12 |
| onefang | mirror.ungleich.ch has been having timeouts on https://sledjhamr.org/apt-panopticon/results/Report-web.html, it's weekly up statistic is down to 97% | 13:16 |
| tom-1 | stable_z: the fact is that I do not have such a choice, I wonder if any changes were included or in the ***_server.iso** variant there should not be an environment choice? | 13:39 |
| stable_z | tom-1: don't know about the 'server' iso... but you can pull in the whole desktop environment of your choice later. | 13:47 |
| stable_z | just 'apt install task-[gnome|xfce|kde|lxde|lxqt|cinnamon|mate]-desktop' | 13:49 |
| tom-1 | stable_z: Yes, I'm busy, I do it, I just wanted to understand what is included by default. | 14:45 |
| tom-1 | Hello . Can you please tell me what is the alternative to network-manager so that I can see the ethernet logo on the panel. | 18:42 |
| fsmithred | tom-1, connman | 18:54 |
| fsmithred | connman-ui and connman-gtk | 18:55 |
| tom-1 | fsmithred: Hello . Thank you very much for the recommendation. I always check the applications on the free distro site, if they are there, then I install them, if not, then it is better to avoid such applications)) | 20:15 |
| tom-1 | and | 20:48 |
| tom-1 | conman is not possible to run without dbus. | 20:49 |
| fsmithred | tom-1, I don't think there's a gui network manager that doesn't require dbus. | 21:04 |
| brocashelm | there isn't, from what i tried. all of them to some extent will need dbus. you even need dbus for graphical generators from shell like yad or zenity | 21:15 |
| tom-1 | fsmithred: 👉️ https://www.hyperbola.info/packages/extra/i686/dhcpcd-ui/ | 21:24 |
| tom-1 | just tested Devuan and saw this problem. I would be grateful for advice on this problem, I was looking for answers but did not understand what the reason is.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/5024e64b8055ab5020b09f9cfb0724f4cfbab226>) | 21:25 |
| rhy | Hey, y'all! How do I install nvidia proprietary drivers in devuan? Mahalo in advance. | 21:40 |
| rhy | Can provide pastebin of my current non-working setup. | 21:41 |
| rhy | https://paste.debian.net/1281615/ | 21:41 |
| rhy | https://paste.debian.net/1281616/ | 21:41 |
| brocashelm | have you tried reading the steps described at the archwiki? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nvidia#Installation | 21:59 |
| brocashelm | i don't have any nvidia products with me to test, sorry | 22:00 |
| gnarface | oh hey rhy you made it | 22:01 |
| gnarface | need to see the Xorg.0.log and find out what you tested that's broken | 22:01 |
| latex | rhy: apt install nvidia-driver | 22:04 |
| latex | also try nvidia-detect | 22:04 |
| rhy | ok... | 22:04 |
| gnarface | it's already there though | 22:05 |
| gnarface | rhy: it's probably worth mentioning that devuan's official live images have nvidia drivers pre-loaded and working. since you're not using an official devuan release, you should download and boot one of the live isos to compare with | 22:05 |
| rhy | My card is supported by all driver versions. :) | 22:05 |
| latex | nvidia drivers are pretty funky though. It's a shame people buy this crap | 22:06 |
| rhy | I tried that also, I think it's the prime/bumblebee issue. | 22:06 |
| rhy | Everything is defaulting to the Intel built-in. | 22:06 |
| latex | I had to insert nonsensical lines in my Xorg.conf to get monitor overclocking to work | 22:06 |
| latex | And the nvidia driver caps at 144 Hz | 22:06 |
| latex | Won't go any higher | 22:06 |
| latex | Nice job nvidia | 22:06 |
| rhy | Linus was right for flipping them off. | 22:08 |
| rhy | Still is. | 22:08 |
| rhy | nvidia-xconfig | 22:10 |
| rhy | WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file. | 22:10 |
| n4dir | you wrote Xorg.conf with upper X | 22:11 |
| n4dir | which was the name if you created one quickly, with a command, to check it, but to use it to had to put it to /etc/xorg.conf or such, no? | 22:11 |
| gnarface | it's /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 22:12 |
| rhy | Looking now.... | 22:12 |
| rhy | I have xorg.conf.d | 22:12 |
| rhy | but no xorg.conf | 22:12 |
| rhy | And this is Devuan. Maybe that's the issue? | 22:13 |
| n4dir | but above you wrote Xorg.conf, no? | 22:13 |
| rhy | No I did not. | 22:13 |
| n4dir | my fault, sorry. | 22:13 |
| rhy | But I am willing to, but have no idea how to. :D | 22:13 |
| gnarface | rhy: btw, if you're using one of those dual-gpu laptops, this hint about the DRI_PRIME=1 environment variable setting is probably relevant to you (even though the rest is about arch) https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME | 22:14 |
| gnarface | in theory you should just need to set DRI_PRIME=1 for any programs you want to use the nvidia card | 22:14 |
| gnarface | the "prime-run" thing might be useful too | 22:14 |
| gnarface | this hardware was never well supported | 22:15 |
| rhy | Reading now.... That could very well be my issue(s) | 22:15 |
| gnarface | it can be picky about versions of things | 22:15 |
| gnarface | rhy: sorry it's a arch wiki. there's probably a debian version of this info somewhere but this came up first | 22:15 |
| gnarface | and your Xorg log is probably at /var/log/Xorg.0.log | 22:16 |
| n4dir | isn't it in the users home these days? | 22:16 |
| gnarface | for everyone but nvidia | 22:17 |
| n4dir | ha | 22:17 |
| gnarface | for it to make it to ~/.local/share/xorg/ you can't be running Xorg as setuid root, and nvidia drivers don't support that | 22:17 |
| gnarface | however if the nvidia drivers were completely inactive and he's using nouveau it might end up in ~/.local/share/xorg/ so i suppose worth checking there too if the one in /var/log is mysteriously outdated or something | 22:18 |
| gnarface | yea hmm, actually since it's a hybrid card i'm not sure what would happen | 22:18 |
| gnarface | i suppose it's possible the problem is that xorg isn't setuid root because intel doesn't need it anymore, and that could be sabotaging the nvidia drivers too | 22:18 |
| gnarface | one way or another we need the log and some tests | 22:19 |
| gnarface | rhy: if the log in /var/log/ is old check ~/.local/share/xorg/ | 22:19 |
| rhy | https://paste.debian.net/1281623/ | 22:20 |
| rhy | Not that old: 2 days ago. | 22:21 |
| gnarface | rhy: yea, that's just the generic modesetting driver. this is clearly generated by only your intel card. | 22:21 |
| rhy | Haven't made any real changes since then. | 22:22 |
| gnarface | rhy: well the Xorg.0.log should be written fresh every time xorg is started, so double check you're looking at the right one, but this is what i think we'd expect | 22:22 |
| gnarface | unfortunately it's not very helpful because nothing is going wrong in there | 22:23 |
| gnarface | go back to testing the DRI_PRIME / prime-run stuff | 22:23 |
| rhy | I don't see prime-run anywhere.... | 22:24 |
| rhy | can't apt install it either. | 22:24 |
| gnarface | start with the environment variable | 22:24 |
| rhy | So do that how? | 22:24 |
| gnarface | like it suggests on the wiki | 22:25 |
| gnarface | DRI_PRIME glxgears | 22:25 |
| gnarface | er, actually... | 22:25 |
| gnarface | DRI_PRIME=1 glxgears | 22:25 |
| gnarface | start with that | 22:25 |
| rhy | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 (KBL GT2) | 22:26 |
| rhy | That's def the prob. | 22:27 |
| gnarface | actually this would be better, i think: __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 DRI_PRIME=1 glxgears | 22:27 |
| gnarface | rhy: here, i think i found the debian version of the info for this: https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus | 22:27 |
| gnarface | this may or may not be helpful too, seems to be a example of how to recreate prime-run: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1364762/prime-run-command-not-found | 22:28 |
| gnarface | (it appears to mostly be a shell script that sets some environment variables and loads a json file that came with the nvidia drivers) | 22:29 |
| rhy | Hmmmmm | 22:32 |
| rhy | So I found primusrun instead of prime-run already in /bin | 22:32 |
| rhy | Tried it with glxgears and got some odd FPS diff from just straight glxgears | 22:33 |
| rhy | For some reason nvidia was less FPS. LOL | 22:33 |
| rhy | Doing more testing now.... | 22:33 |
| gnarface | odd, but it's progress | 22:33 |
| gnarface | if there were no difference, that would be unhelpful | 22:34 |
| gnarface | make sure as much as possible the versions of your nvidia-* packages match | 22:34 |
| gnarface | some of them won't, but double check that all of them that can do | 22:34 |
| gnarface | (just by making sure they're the latest ones from your current release and not just stale versions from a previous release that should have been removed during the upgrade) | 22:35 |
| rhy | Hmmm Dolphin still reports mesa intel. | 22:36 |
| rhy | Even when typing primusrun dolphin-emu | 22:36 |
| gnarface | that's all i got, sorry. check all the versions on everything and then try it on the devuan live image | 22:37 |
| gnarface | there's one variable we still haven't accounted for, and that's peppermint | 22:37 |
| rhy | Testing OBS now.... | 22:37 |
| rhy | Just got a segfault. :D | 22:37 |
| gnarface | yikes | 22:38 |
| gnarface | really could be a package version mismatch, do check those | 22:38 |
| gnarface | or even one of the important ones missing, but it looked like you had all the ones i thought were necessary... | 22:38 |
| gnarface | at least for this | 22:38 |
| rhy | But I think it was running on nvidia before it crashed... | 22:38 |
| gnarface | but i've never had one of these optimus devices myself | 22:38 |
| rhy | nfo: Initializing OpenGL... | 22:39 |
| rhy | info: Loading up OpenGL on adapter NVIDIA Corporation NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 | 22:39 |
| rhy | info: OpenGL loaded successfully, version 3.3.0 NVIDIA 470.182.03, shading language 3.30 NVIDIA via Cg compiler | 22:39 |
| gnarface | try comparing glxinfo output with and without the primusrun thing | 22:39 |
| rhy | Did that... More FPS on mesa. LOL | 22:40 |
| rhy | OBS is definitely running better and on nvidia rn. | 22:41 |
| rhy | The nvidia encoder is still not available though... Hmmm | 22:44 |
| gnarface | you might just be missing a package for the encoder | 22:46 |
| rhy | That's my guess as well. | 22:46 |
| gnarface | rhy: try this: apt-cache search ^libnvidia-encode | 22:47 |
| gnarface | it might be called libnvidia-encode1 or libnvidia-encode2 or something like that | 22:48 |
| rhy | Yep. libnvidia-encode1. Got it going now. :D | 23:09 |
| rhy | Thanks! | 23:09 |
| gnarface | np | 23:10 |
| gnarface | for the most part, this is all there is to the nvidia shuffle | 23:11 |
| gnarface | 1) check all the versions of the installed packages are from the current nvidia release 2) install inexplicably missing packages | 23:12 |
| gnarface | it helps to know some very basic regexp behavior to do searches for them | 23:12 |
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