| rwp | gnarface, It's an odd situation with those two systems. They are not completely identical though and something about Chimaera must trigger a difference that didn't exist in Beowulf. | 00:52 |
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| rwp | But I have decided if I got to the bottom of things that it wouldn't change the result. So have made adjustments and am moving on. | 00:52 |
| rwp | And did I say Chimaera? I mean Beowulf. I upgraded to Beowulf. So have one more upgrade soon to Chimaera where things might yet again be the same or different. | 00:53 |
| rustyaxe | for uefi, do i mount efi system at /boot or /boot/EFI before deboostraping? | 01:39 |
| gnarface | rustyaxe: dunno for sure but the second one looks closer to correct | 02:16 |
| gnarface | i'm sure it's not /boot but it might not be /boot/EFI either | 02:16 |
| gnarface | it might actually be /boot/efi or /boot/EFI/debian or something like that... someone around here knows though so stick around | 02:17 |
| gnarface | i just remember there was something wrong with the default that keeps coming up | 02:18 |
| rustyaxe | well i cna move if needed, got the debootstrap going | 02:18 |
| rustyaxe | so i cna chroot in and setup | 02:18 |
| rustyaxe | Basically i have a ryzen 3 laptop with busted LCD and it wont let me use external until in the OS | 02:19 |
| rustyaxe | i want to recycle it for a server for my radios | 02:19 |
| Xenguy | rwp, Hilarious, same here, still running Beowulf | 03:59 |
| rustyaxe | in theory soon i'll have my nvme populated with a perhaps bootable devuan. | 03:59 |
| Xenguy | The loss of wicd in Chimaera seemed like a step backwards | 04:00 |
| rustyaxe | If it works, glorious day. | 04:00 |
| rustyaxe | wicd? | 04:00 |
| Xenguy | Look it up : -) | 04:00 |
| rustyaxe | isnt everything managed by that disgusting network mangler turd these days? :( | 04:00 |
| Xenguy | Not if you don't install it, but yeah | 04:00 |
| Xenguy | wicd was a nice alternative for 'typical' use cases | 04:01 |
| rustyaxe | i mean i have no need to install it. but i have useless realtek wifi :P | 04:01 |
| Xenguy | But Python2 went to Python3, and damn backwards compatibility | 04:01 |
| rustyaxe | yea python's a bitch like that | 04:02 |
| Xenguy | It's ridiculous | 04:02 |
| rustyaxe | i kinda lost what little i had for python there | 04:02 |
| Xenguy | Bordering on criminal | 04:02 |
| rustyaxe | The whitespace as syntax is disgusting enough.. that? That is a ware crime. | 04:02 |
| Xenguy | Why do they not bother to care about that? | 04:02 |
| rustyaxe | Like fucking raisins in chocoalte cookies. | 04:02 |
| Xenguy | hah | 04:02 |
| rustyaxe | "Oh look chocolate chip chocolate cookies" | 04:03 |
| Xenguy | Uh oh, food on the table, in the channel | 04:03 |
| rustyaxe | *Gags and vomits* What the **** is this? chemical warfare??! *tries to lick the dog's arse to get the taste out of mouth* | 04:03 |
| Xenguy | Nasty | 04:04 |
| Xenguy | Are you AI rustyaxe ? | 04:04 |
| rustyaxe | reminds me of when i gave dog mcdonalds burger piece. it ate a little.. spit rest out and spent an hour licking its arse | 04:04 |
| Xenguy | we have to ask nowadays you know = ) | 04:04 |
| rustyaxe | I assume the later was because of hte awful taste | 04:04 |
| rustyaxe | i am ET. | 04:05 |
| Xenguy | That's the 2nd time today I've seen that error | 04:05 |
| Xenguy | It's 'latter', not 'later', in this case | 04:05 |
| Xenguy | Anyhow, I'll return now to the non-offtopic task of licking my chops | 04:06 |
| Xenguy | *poof* | 04:06 |
| rustyaxe | Congrats. | 04:06 |
| rustyaxe | why is debootstrap not installing apt as i tell it to... | 04:06 |
| rustyaxe | fml | 04:06 |
| Xenguy | Everyone references debootstrap, and I've never worked with it. Everyone seems enthusiastic enough | 04:07 |
| rustyaxe | its not bad | 04:07 |
| rustyaxe | but for some reason its saying it install apt | 04:07 |
| Xenguy | Is it like some chroot installation? | 04:07 |
| rustyaxe | but no apt in my nvme's chroot | 04:07 |
| rustyaxe | yea it lets yo uinstall system...elsewhere | 04:08 |
| rustyaxe | ive used it to hijack a machine running shittyos | 04:08 |
| rustyaxe | and convert to devuan | 04:08 |
| Xenguy | That sounds useful | 04:08 |
| golinux | Not off topic much? | 04:08 |
| rustyaxe | i turned /home into the new root, debootstrapped it in | 04:08 |
| rustyaxe | booted it up, and had devuan :) | 04:08 |
| Xenguy | golinux, You are always a stalwart reminder of the proper limits | 04:09 |
| rustyaxe | but im struggling here to figure out why debootstrap --include=apt,tmux,joe,apt-utils,aptitude,ifupdown,udhcpd,isc-dhcp-client,wireguard i get noone of them | 04:09 |
| Xenguy | I kind of thought we went back on topic, but maybe not | 04:09 |
| golinux | Yeah you did . . . | 04:10 |
| Xenguy | rustyaxe, hang in there, there are some users that know about this stuff who I'm sure can offer (sage) advice | 04:10 |
| Xenguy | golinux, yay | 04:10 |
| Xenguy | Merry Festivus | 04:10 |
| rustyaxe | Whats that ... 'replacement' for debootstrap | 04:10 |
| golinux | Solstic tomorrow | 04:10 |
| golinux | +e | 04:11 |
| Xenguy | Aha, I was wondering today/tomorrow? | 04:11 |
| golinux | OT again | 04:11 |
| rustyaxe | multistrap. you were the friend | 04:11 |
| unclouded | rustyaxe: I compared the result of debootstrap with an installation the other day and wrote it up: https://pub.rui.nz/debootstrap_vs_installation.html | 04:56 |
| unclouded | There's an incantation of debootstrap that I know worked (installing beowulf from chimaera) in a Makefile on that page | 04:57 |
| unclouded | I've got /boot/efi and in it, files with paths like /boot/efi/EFI/debian/shimx64.efi | 05:03 |
| unclouded | And these packages installed: grub-efi-amd64, grub-efi-amd64-signed | 05:11 |
| rustyaxe | why is this trying to drag in systemd0? | 05:58 |
| rustyaxe | seems openssh-server wants it. Well we wont be using that cuz i dont want a systemd infestation | 06:02 |
| golinux | rustyaxe: Please read this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 06:27 |
| golinux | The punch line: "libsystemd0 is used by some daemons to verify if systemd is running or | 06:28 |
| golinux | not. If it's not, libsystemd is *totally* *harmless*. " | 06:28 |
| gnarface | it's still a strategic toehold, i understand mistrusting it, but isn't our libsystemd0 package an empty slug anyway? | 06:29 |
| gnarface | or is it unchanged? | 06:31 |
| gnarface | i thought someone had put some work into making an empty one | 06:31 |
| golinux | KatolaZ expains in that forum post | 06:59 |
| golinux | They are an annoyance to look at. | 07:00 |
| rrq | rustyaxe: you may use libelogind0 instead of libsystemd0 | 07:07 |
| golinux | Doesn't it do that automatically? | 07:09 |
| rrq | apt doesn't discover that libelogind0 provides libsystemd0 until it is installed | 07:09 |
| rrq | (it generally doesn't look for "provides" options for packages) | 07:10 |
| rrq | (unless the package is a "pure" virtual without namesake implementation) | 07:11 |
| rrq | (afaik:) | 07:12 |
| rustyaxe | libsystemd0: Installed-Size: 924 kB | 10:15 |
| rustyaxe | Doesnt seem very empty | 10:15 |
| rustyaxe | but yup libelogind0 sorts it, thanks rrq | 10:16 |
| joe313 | hi how can i turn off suspend? | 17:56 |
| fsmithred | joe313, if you're talking about laptop lid behavior, check in the desktop settings. | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | in xfce it would be set in the power manager | 18:01 |
| joe313 | i dont have a de i run a window manager | 18:01 |
| fsmithred | there are a few places it could be set. I'll try to remember them. | 18:02 |
| fsmithred | logind settings, I don't remember where they are. | 18:03 |
| fsmithred | acpi settings | 18:04 |
| fsmithred | if you search the forum, you'll find several discussions about laptop lid and suspend. | 18:04 |
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