| radhitya | hello | 02:44 |
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| radhitya | after upgrade to ceres, my neofetch still showing devuan 4 chimaera | 02:44 |
| radhitya | how to fix it? | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | maybe edit /etc/os-release | 02:45 |
| fsmithred | I forget what neofetch looks for | 02:45 |
| radhitya | lel.. mine still chimaera | 03:24 |
| radhitya | even though i upgraded to ceres | 03:24 |
| fsmithred | base-files is still the same in ceres and chimaera | 03:29 |
| fsmithred | we're all about getting chimaera out the door right now, so if you want neofetch to know what's going on, you'll have to make a manual edit or two. | 03:29 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Where can I file a bug in the chimaera installer? | 03:40 |
| fsmithred | bugs.devuan.org and package name is devuan-installer | 03:41 |
| fsmithred | do it by email | 03:41 |
| fsmithred | what's the bug? | 03:41 |
| sadoon_albader[m | The netinstaller won't ask for a passcode after setting up an encrypted partition | 03:43 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I haven't experienced the issue on the graphical installer | 03:44 |
| sadoon_albader[m | And I only experienced it on amd64, not ppc64le which ran successfully | 03:44 |
| fsmithred | I thought we left the graphical installer out of it to save space | 03:44 |
| sadoon_albader[m | There is a graphical installer | 03:44 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Actually on ppc64le I installed beowulf and then upgraded so that doesn't count | 03:45 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'll file the bug in a bit but in any case what's the practical difference between a partition inside dm-crypt and one in encrypted LVM? | 03:46 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I've never bothered with LVM before | 03:46 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I used guided partitioning to set it up with encrypted LVM but will probably just use the graphical installer again just to setup | 03:47 |
| fsmithred | lvm holds logical volumes inside it. Encrypt the lvm and all the logical partitions inside it are decrypted with one password. | 03:49 |
| fsmithred | also you can resize the logical volumes on the fly, or add other volumes. | 03:49 |
| sadoon_albader[m | It sounds nice | 03:51 |
| sadoon_albader[m | But I don't wanna try anything new lol | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | has some nice features. Adds some complexity. Resizing a volume while it's in use is a nail-biting experience. | 03:51 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Kinda aiming for the stability | 03:51 |
| fsmithred | lvm is not exactly new | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | but maybe new for you | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | that counts for a lot | 03:52 |
| * Xenguy always installs with encrypted LVM, but never uses it ; -) | 03:52 | |
| fsmithred | how do you not use it? | 03:52 |
| fsmithred | keep the box turned off? | 03:52 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Yeah I meant new for me | 03:53 |
| Xenguy | I've never resized volumes for example | 03:53 |
| fsmithred | if you do it right the first time, you don't need to | 03:53 |
| Xenguy | It's there, operational, but I never really use it | 03:53 |
| fsmithred | if you really want fun, make a raid with lvm, then later add a volume that's part of the lvm but not the raid. And then try to replace a raid drive. | 03:54 |
| Xenguy | Hey that does sound like an adventure | 03:55 |
| fsmithred | a jungle adventure | 03:55 |
| Xenguy | Truthfully, I've never used RAID, and have no plans to do so | 03:55 |
| Xenguy | But I'm sure there are use cases where it's da bomb, as we used to say | 03:56 |
| fsmithred | yeah, ability to replace drives with no down time | 03:56 |
| Xenguy | It's cool, just outside my realm a little; I have no need of that | 03:57 |
| fsmithred | sadoon_albader[m, I did a single-partition encrypted install on 23Aug and it worked correctly. amd64 netinstall iso | 04:08 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Interesting | 04:09 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I tried rebooting just in case | 04:09 |
| fsmithred | the installer never asked you to provide a password? | 04:10 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Yep | 04:10 |
| sadoon_albader[m | And as such I can't create partitions | 04:10 |
| fsmithred | here's a short video capture of making an encrypted partition. Note the number in the file name. That's how many times it took me to get it right, and I've done a lot of encrypted installs. | 04:12 |
| fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/partition_encrypt-4.ogv | 04:12 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Ah | 04:13 |
| sadoon_albader[m | So it's not just me? | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | nope | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | it is not intuitive | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | and another hint: the graphical installer sucks | 04:13 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'd better search for an existing bug report | 04:13 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Before posting then | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | it's harder to use because you have to keep going between mouse and keyboard | 04:13 |
| fsmithred | and the actions are not consistent | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | watch the video to make sure you did it right | 04:14 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Alright thanks! | 04:14 |
| fsmithred | and a bug report is unlikely to change it | 04:14 |
| sadoon_albader[m | The video doesn't want to play herr | 04:16 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Here* | 04:16 |
| fsmithred | The live installer is different. Looks like this: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/beowulf/live-gui | 04:16 |
| fsmithred | you're trying in a web browser? | 04:17 |
| fsmithred | I had to enable javascript for it to play | 04:17 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'm using my phone | 04:17 |
| fsmithred | mpv or vlc should also work | 04:17 |
| sadoon_albader[m | One minute let me try desktop | 04:17 |
| fsmithred | oh | 04:17 |
| fsmithred | your phone might not like open source formats | 04:18 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Heh I guess so | 04:18 |
| fsmithred | damn you freedom hippies | 04:18 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Yeah works on desktop | 04:18 |
| fsmithred | cool | 04:18 |
| sadoon_albader[m | That's a nice looking xfce may I add | 04:18 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'll try doing it the same way you did it, but I'll also burn a desktop dvd in case it doesn't work | 04:21 |
| fsmithred | thanks. That's refracta (with non-default background) | 04:21 |
| fsmithred | I didn't make a swap partition. Usually just use a small swap file. | 04:21 |
| fsmithred | then it's part of the encrypted partition | 04:22 |
| fsmithred | sadoon_albader[m, you only need the dvd if you want to install without a network mirror. If you choose a mirror, all the installer isos act like the netinstall. | 04:23 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Oh no I meant the live image | 04:23 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'm gonna burn it on a dvd tho | 04:23 |
| fsmithred | the live installer is different | 04:23 |
| sadoon_albader[m | :P | 04:23 |
| fsmithred | refractainstaller | 04:23 |
| fsmithred | you can do encrypted root and home | 04:24 |
| fsmithred | or all in one | 04:24 |
| fsmithred | and if you want /boot encrypted, that'll work, too. | 04:24 |
| Hydragyrum | when I'm doing encrypted lvm, I have swap on a separate LV, but | 04:24 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I just want a simple encrypted space where I can have a btrfs partition, everything else I'll leave at default | 04:25 |
| fsmithred | oh, btrfs with the live installer is tricky | 04:25 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I think I did it on my laptop tho | 04:25 |
| fsmithred | someone did it and documented it on our forum | 04:25 |
| Hydragyrum | yeah if I'm doing a fully custom setup I'd just have btrfs on a luks volume with no lvm | 04:25 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Yup exactly | 04:26 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I'm migrating from an Arch system that has exactly that | 04:26 |
| Hydragyrum | but idk how well installer supports it | 04:26 |
| Hydragyrum | if you just want data on that btrfs volume, ez | 04:26 |
| sadoon_albader[m | No apparently I did do it on my laptop a week or two ago | 04:27 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I don't remember exactly how tho lol | 04:27 |
| Hydragyrum | hmm | 04:27 |
| Hydragyrum | maybe I should spin up a vm and try it out | 04:27 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Basically I'm migrating all my machines so naturally the desktop would be last and I took too long that I forgot what I did xD | 04:28 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3258 <- btrfs discussion | 04:28 |
| Hydragyrum | mfw I somehow don't have a copy of the installer iso lying around | 04:29 |
| Hydragyrum | I have a usb with it but not the iso | 04:29 |
| Hydragyrum | you using beowulf or chimera? | 04:29 |
| sadoon_albader[m | chimaera | 04:29 |
| fsmithred | sleep time for me. Good luck. | 04:32 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Thanks :) gn | 04:32 |
| Hydragyrum | mfw no torrent of chimera | 04:36 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Nice, it works! | 04:38 |
| Hydragyrum | sadoon_albader[m: so your encrypted btrfs deal Just Works™ out of the box? | 04:39 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Yep, did it on two other systems too | 04:39 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I don't encrypt /boot tho | 04:39 |
| Hydragyrum | yeah encrypted /boot is a pita | 04:39 |
| sadoon_albader[m | After booting, the system will ask you for a passcode | 04:39 |
| Hydragyrum | but the installer supported it? | 04:39 |
| sadoon_albader[m | Yep | 04:40 |
| sadoon_albader[m | <fsmithred> "http://distro.ibiblio.org/..." <- You have to do it as shown here | 04:40 |
| sadoon_albader[m | And then just format it to btrfs | 04:40 |
| Hydragyrum | so it's just like using any other luks-encrypted deal for root | 04:40 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I guess so yeah | 04:40 |
| sadoon_albader[m | All that's left is to see if the subvolumes look good for timeshift | 04:40 |
| sadoon_albader[m | I hate the fact that timeshift is hardcoded to @ and @home | 04:41 |
| sadoon_albader[m | But it works I guess | 04:41 |
| eleison[m] | fsmithred: I thought you might find this interesting: https://github.com/illiliti/libudev-zero | 14:45 |
| lunario | is there a way to get an error log from ones .xinitrc? i can't just run xinitrc 1>>logfile obviously, since it starts automatically | 14:50 |
| humpelstilzchen[ | lunario: you can always put your stuff in another script and call that from your ~/.xinitrc. But try ~/.xsession-errors | 14:55 |
| lunario | humpelstilzchen: thanks for the hint | 15:00 |
| fsmithred | exec 2>"$error_log" | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | ^^^ inside the script. | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | also 'set -x' inside to get more output | 15:12 |
| fsmithred | lunario, ^^^ | 15:12 |
| Beer | golinux: Poking at people on the #guix channel, I got some bits of info | 23:51 |
| Beer | WHere shall I write them down? In the pad? | 23:51 |
| Beer | (about eudev) | 23:51 |
| Xenguy_ | In the pad makes sense to me | 23:53 |
| golinux | Pad is fine | 23:55 |
| golinux | Beer: ^^^ | 23:56 |
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