| gnarface | enyc: not sure but try checking both pavucontrol and alsamixer | 00:18 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | enyc: make sure you're in the audio group too but it might be a issue with a missing package or a wrong option | 00:20 |
| enyc | gnarface: already checked in audio group | 00:20 |
| gnarface | there was one issue that might affect something like this that i had | 00:25 |
| gnarface | it had chosen the wrong one of a choice of several mutually exclusive packages that was a dependency of the graphical login | 00:26 |
| gnarface | something to do with the permissions backend | 00:26 |
| gnarface | polkit or consolekit or something like that | 00:27 |
| gnarface | maybe elogind | 00:27 |
| gnarface | maybe not relevant though, this was with lightdm and kde | 00:27 |
| Wafficus | Hey there, I was wondering, how can I force Emacs to update itself to the latest in Devuan? | 04:10 |
| Wafficus | do I just need to bump up my setup to be on the bleeding edge dev branch instead? | 04:10 |
| Wafficus | I ask because there's a weird TLS issue for Emacs that is solved in 26.3 onward | 04:10 |
| Wafficus | but the one I got on Devuan is like Emacs 26.1 | 04:10 |
| Wafficus | and this is on Beowulf stable I believe | 04:10 |
| n4dir | first you check which is the version of emacs in unstable, and if that is the version you want | 04:11 |
| n4dir | then you head over to debian and ask the bot for simple sid backport, ssb, iirc | 04:12 |
| n4dir | of course you will need to adapt that to devuan. | 04:12 |
| Wafficus | as in #debian | 04:13 |
| n4dir | emacs gui version or terminal version? | 04:13 |
| Wafficus | or a bot on their page? | 04:13 |
| Wafficus | Emacs GUI version | 04:13 |
| n4dir | no, in #debian | 04:13 |
| Wafficus | ah gotcha ok, interesting | 04:13 |
| Wafficus | didn't know you can invoke a bot in #debian for this purpose | 04:13 |
| Wafficus | kinda neat | 04:13 |
| n4dir | yeah, might be for the terminal version you would get away with a chroot. Ok. | 04:13 |
| n4dir | i don't really know the commands for the bot in #debian, you could try !ssb | 04:14 |
| n4dir | or ask someone there to help you | 04:14 |
| Wafficus | so first check Devuan's unstable branch's packages page | 04:14 |
| Wafficus | ok thanks | 04:14 |
| Wafficus | I ask because debian's channel is usually dead, so I appreciate the help on that one | 04:14 |
| n4dir | no clue if it is hard to rebuild emcas. rebuilding can be damn easy and damn hard | 04:14 |
| Wafficus | yeah I"m not afraid of building from source if they got clear 'make' instructions | 04:15 |
| Wafficus | wouldn't be my first rodeo | 04:15 |
| n4dir | of course: ask again here. Seems silent right now. I am not much in build from source and not much in devuan | 04:15 |
| n4dir | i mean: i know how to do stuff, but there always might be things which are different in devuan | 04:16 |
| n4dir | as in: don't take my word for it. | 04:16 |
| Wafficus | no prob, I think the best thing I could do is probably look at Devuan's packages first | 04:16 |
| mason | Wafficus: I'd just build from source, myself. Maybe manage it with GNU Stow. | 04:16 |
| mason | Then you can do things like completely avoid GTK and stick with Athena. | 04:17 |
| n4dir | devuan backkports, assuming it exists, might have a higher version? | 04:18 |
| mason | As for the latest, there's precious little reason to go for that. Unless you mean the latest stable (27.1) in which case that's reasonable. | 04:18 |
| Wafficus | looks like its in unstable aka Emacs 27 | 04:18 |
| Wafficus | Emacs 27.1 * | 04:18 |
| mason | I don't see a newer Emacs in backports, and you'd be better off building from source than ramming in an arbitrary unstable port. You might get away with a manual backport, building the unstable package against your current system. | 04:20 |
| mason | bbl | 04:21 |
| systemdlete | I'm trying to recall when I agreed to pop-up adverts from pirate bay. Anyone know how to get rid of them? | 04:21 |
| systemdlete | I thought those kinds of things can only happen to windows users | 04:21 |
| phillipsjk | systemdlete, it may be the websites you are visiting unless it is happening with no broeser loaded. | 04:26 |
| phillipsjk | You can try either installing an ad blocker or the EFF's "Privacy Badger". | 04:27 |
| systemdlete | Well, from what I've read, it seems that the popups can linger for some time after firefox or another browser have ended. I've shut down the browsers, but there are still 2 showing -- I killed one manually | 04:27 |
| systemdlete | OK, but what to do NOW? | 04:27 |
| systemdlete | I have Uorigin already. That does pretty well for me. | 04:27 |
| * icemodding hi ppl! :-D | 04:27 | |
| phillipsjk | Privacy Badger is not actually an AD blocker, but interferes with real-time-bidding for AD spots. | 04:28 |
| systemdlete | I could go back to privacy badger... but what shall I do with what is here already? I did a grep through my mozilla files and it got several hits | 04:28 |
| systemdlete | I am wondering if I can remove the cache2 subdirs | 04:29 |
| systemdlete | I'll save them of course, just to prevent more damage, but I want to see if the trouble goes away... | 04:29 |
| phillipsjk | There is a clear cache option as well. You may have to close the broswer for manual deletion. | 04:30 |
| Wafficus | I see Palemoon isn't in 'apt' in Devuan either | 04:34 |
| Wafficus | interesting | 04:34 |
| Wafficus | systemdlete: you could also try using 'w3m' for PirateBay | 04:35 |
| Wafficus | w3m in urxvt | 04:35 |
| Wafficus | w3m doesn't load 1337.to that well at all | 04:35 |
| Wafficus | but you might be able to get away with PirateBay within w3m with magnet links if you have a related plugin | 04:35 |
| systemdlete | I don't want pirate bay, tbh. I just want to get rid of the whole f-ing thing | 04:36 |
| Wafficus | ah gotcha | 04:36 |
| Wafficus | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euk_LMdXNOU&t=141s | 04:36 |
| Wafficus | if you ever need w3m with a magnet plugin | 04:36 |
| clort | i like some things a bout pale moon a lot but it's pretty slow on arm | 05:05 |
| clort | something about that older non-rust engine | 05:06 |
| unixbsd | I did debootstrap using DVD, and it misses /etc/shadow .. and few /etc/ files. /etc/ directories are there. this is interesting. WHich package might be missing with /etc/shadow during debootstrap? | 11:25 |
| suavedandy | How do I mount /tmp as tmpfs? | 11:26 |
| unixbsd | ah i see, wrong arch ! | 11:29 |
| suavedandy | unixbsd: Big oopsie. | 11:31 |
| suavedandy | Wait. | 11:45 |
| suavedandy | tmpfs is already mounted at /run | 11:45 |
| suavedandy | Wait. It's different from mounting it on /tmp, right? | 11:46 |
| gnarface | suavedandy: you can have multiple tmpfs mounts | 11:53 |
| gnarface | suavedandy: tmpfs is just a filesystem | 11:53 |
| onefang | Just a file system type. | 11:53 |
| gnarface | i mean it's a really weird filesystem but it's still basically a filesystem as far as the kernel is concerned | 11:53 |
| gnarface | filesystem type, or driver, if you will | 11:54 |
| gnarface | unixbsd: (generated file) | 11:55 |
| unixbsd | yeah, I noticed. I updated my script to install it on many usb pendrives ;) | 11:57 |
| suavedandy | I found this fstab entry on Gentoo Wiki: | 12:05 |
| suavedandy | "tmpfs /tmp tmpfs rw,nosuid,noatime,nodev,size=4G,mode=1777 0 0" | 12:05 |
| suavedandy | All entries in my fstab have only "defaults" as an option. | 12:06 |
| suavedandy | No noatime or anything. | 12:06 |
| enyc | gnarface: hrrm looknig into polkit/consolekit/elogind/etc you mention r.e. microphone selection | 12:07 |
| suavedandy | Also, doesn't tmpfs use half a memory by default? Isn't that 4 gigs limit option unnecessary? | 12:07 |
| enyc | makes me wonder now, what desktop variants other Devuan Bullseye users have .... and if they can set mics and so-on. | 12:10 |
| enyc | uerr devuan beowulf | 12:16 |
| gnarface | enyc: it's a good question. i'm just using bare alsa with alsamixer, not using any integrated WM audio configuration tool | 12:33 |
| gnarface | enyc: you checked both pavucontrol and alsamixer first, right? | 12:34 |
| gnarface | enyc: i forget if you answered that already or not | 12:37 |
| suavedandy | So. Yeah, I've just set up tmpfs on /tmp by myself. Very happy. | 13:11 |
| suavedandy | And SysVinit working smooth. | 13:11 |
| suavedandy | No issues unlike OpenRC so far. | 13:11 |
| suavedandy | Am happy. | 13:11 |
| gnarface | cool, good to hear | 13:18 |
| gnarface | make sure you get /tmp permissions correct, it is very important | 13:20 |
| gnarface | (regardless of filesystem type) | 13:20 |
| enyc | gnarface: pavucontrol hands on Establisgcinc connection to PulseAudio. Please wait.... | 13:23 |
| enyc | gnarface: manually launch pulseaudio& then can get in ;p | 13:25 |
| enyc | gnarface: now sound preferences icon works too and stuff! | 13:26 |
| gnarface | enyc: did you have pulseaudio installed before? | 14:38 |
| gnarface | enyc: it normally auto-starts by default | 14:38 |
| brocashelm | good news: youtube-dl -U finally works again and pulls today's build | 16:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ohh | 16:04 |
| enyc | gnarface: yes, it just clearly is not auto-starting | 16:07 |
| gnarface | enyc: i'm not sure what might have gone wrong but it is not normal | 16:13 |
| gnarface | enyc: are you fully updated? | 16:13 |
| enyc | gnarface: yes | 16:13 |
| gnarface | strange | 16:14 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what could be missing | 16:14 |
| gnarface | seems like it must be something though | 16:14 |
| gnarface | how did you start it? does the /etc/init.d/ script for it exist? | 16:15 |
| enyc | gnarface: userspace, literally pulseaudio as the user with no parameters | 16:15 |
| enyc | gnarface: there is NOT a /etc/init.d/pulseaudio | 16:15 |
| gnarface | enyc: something must have failed during install i think then | 16:16 |
| gnarface | maybe some post-install script failed due to a bugt | 16:16 |
| gnarface | bug* | 16:16 |
| enyc | gnarface: uerm you have a beowulf desktop ? | 16:17 |
| gnarface | i have some here | 16:17 |
| enyc | gnarface: dpkg -l pulse\* | 16:18 |
| gnarface | never seen that script go missing | 16:18 |
| enyc | ii pulseaudio 12.2-4+deb10u1 amd64 PulseAudio sound server | 16:18 |
| enyc | ii pulseaudio-utils 12.2-4+deb10u1 amd64 Command line tools for the Puls | 16:18 |
| enyc | any others? | 16:18 |
| enyc | gnarface: [also, dpkg -S /etc/init.d/pulseaudio and tell me what package owns said script!] | 16:19 |
| gnarface | lost | 16:19 |
| gnarface | lots* | 16:19 |
| enyc | gnarface: ok so ... dpkg -S /etc/init.d/pulseaudio please =) | 16:20 |
| gnarface | stand by not doing just 1 thing at a time here | 16:21 |
| gnarface | i don't see it at all though fyi | 16:21 |
| enyc | aha! now we're getting somewhere =) | 16:21 |
| gnarface | hmmm, i wonder what starts that now | 16:22 |
| gnarface | i don't really use it | 16:22 |
| enyc | =) | 16:22 |
| gnarface | enyc: but if those are the only two pulseaudio packages you have something additional is very wrong too | 16:48 |
| gnarface | there should be at least half a dozen libraries and other related things | 16:49 |
| mason | So, building ZFS into the kernel works a charm on Beowulf. This makes me really want the wiki up so I can document the process publically. | 17:39 |
| suavedandy | Guys, do you know why using continuous TRIM isn't recommended? | 17:45 |
| fsmithred | mason, write it now. | 17:46 |
| mason | suavedandy: It can provide performance problems. It might also lead to less efficient trimming as it'll be smaller batches. | 17:46 |
| mason | fsmithred: I have the skeleton of it in a text file. I'm going to see if I can push forward with the wiki today. Too many things want it up, both for Devuan and home projects. | 17:47 |
| fsmithred | if you want, I could post it on the forum for now | 17:47 |
| mason | Hm. Alright. I'll write it up a bit more completely. | 17:47 |
| fsmithred | or you could send it to a mailing list. | 17:47 |
| mason | Oh, alright. Also a good option. I'll do that. | 17:47 |
| fsmithred | not that I want to stop you from working on the wiki, but I thought you might be doing something else right now. | 17:48 |
| mason | Well, I'm also starting Amprolla4, yes. | 17:48 |
| fsmithred | also, there is a zfs write-up on the forum. Have you seen that? | 17:48 |
| mason | I was briefly sidetracked by built-in ZFS. | 17:48 |
| mason | Mm, I don't think I have. | 17:48 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2506 | 17:48 |
| fsmithred | not sure yet if there are others | 17:48 |
| fsmithred | well, there's this one: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3794 | 17:49 |
| mason | Interesting. They go a different way, but variety is good. | 17:49 |
| mason | Both those go the DKMS route. | 17:50 |
| mason | I'll have this out to the list presently. | 17:50 |
| fsmithred | cool | 17:52 |
| mason | fsmithred: kk, took a bit longer as I wanted it to be a pleasant experience, but it's posted now | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | excellent. Now google has it, so it will never go away. | 18:42 |
| enyc | gnarface: aah well dpkg -l \*pulse\* shows a lot more (libpulse this that the other) | 19:05 |
| gnarface | enyc: i just use grep like this: dpkg -l |grep pulse | 19:07 |
| gnarface | enyc do you have elogind? | 19:09 |
| gnarface | enyc: i think it's gotta be lightdm or elogind launching it on the one i'm looking at, because it is launched as the session user | 19:13 |
| enyc | gnarface: yes which gives different results and includes descriptions | 19:13 |
| enyc | gnarface: elogind yes, no lightdm | 19:15 |
| enyc | gnarface: i fact not apparent to me WHAT display manager in use | 19:15 |
| enyc | gnarface: oh, its "slim" =) | 19:16 |
| gnarface | enyc: i'm not sure they all play nice on all window managers yet | 19:21 |
| gnarface | enyc: that copy of mate you are using came from the devuan repos? | 19:22 |
| gnarface | enyc: maybe check the readme | 19:22 |
| aitor_ | enyc: you can use "apt-cache rdepends --installed <package>" to see what depends on that concrete package | 19:27 |
| aitor_ | mason: amprolla4? That's interesting! | 19:28 |
| enyc | aitor_: ooooo useful | 20:21 |
| suavedandy | Micro is acting all weird. | 20:41 |
| suavedandy | Have no idea why. | 20:42 |
| * enyc meows | 20:42 | |
| Digit | upon an upgrade, my devuan just asked if i wanted to remove the wheel group, and then a bunch of others, and to change the gid of many groups... i said no to it all. has that occured just for me by some unexpected side effect of some kludge of mine, or has that been a change expected for everybody? | 20:47 |
| clort | i haven't seen that before Digit | 20:49 |
| enyc | Digit: upgrade from what to what? | 20:52 |
| Digit | I think that was my devuan ceres, just a "sudo apt upgrade" iirc (left it hanging on that first question a couple days, now past my scrollback, mighta been "sudo apt-get upgrade" if there's any difference). full disclosure: this is in a bedrock stratum, so, that complicates things. | 20:55 |
| clort | sometimes i just type things so people with problems know they're not alone | 20:57 |
| mason | Digit: wheel isn't a stock group on Debian (and related) systems. Not sure why it'd want to remove non-standard groups, unless it's also removing packages that own them. | 20:58 |
| enyc | aah unstamle | 20:58 |
| enyc | Digit: i can say in old debian uphates or trying to debtakeover a non-debian, changes to groups/uids to match standard scheme was a thing that happened! | 20:59 |
| gnarface | Digit: you added the wheel group yourself to conform to 3rd party software? pretty sure that's not a debian system group | 21:05 |
| gnarface | Digit: nevermind, i am wrong about that | 21:05 |
| gnarface | Digit: i rarely end up with it in the first place though. Debian doesn't really use wheel for stuff like BSD does | 21:06 |
| gnarface | Digit: still, the behavior does sound like your /etc/passwd and /etc/groups didn't conform to debian UID/GID numeric ranges and names | 21:07 |
| gnarface | Digit: (that's the type of thing that happens like if you use a redhat rootfs as the starting point for a debootstrap install) | 21:08 |
| mason | gnarface: Fedora/RHEL uses wheel as well. | 21:08 |
| gnarface | Digit: i could only speculate what steps brought you to this point but when i did this to myself the only recourse i could contrive was to manually fix it all by hand | 21:09 |
| gnarface | Digit: maybe it will just work though | 21:10 |
| gnarface | Digit: keep a backup | 21:10 |
| Digit | yup. this is turning out more interesting than i expected. | 21:10 |
| gnarface | Digit: https://wiki.debian.org/SystemGroups | 21:11 |
| gnarface | debian has a dedicated sudo group instead of using wheel like other distros/OSes | 21:12 |
| suavedandy | Has anyone else experienced problems with Micro? | 21:37 |
| suavedandy | It acts funny. | 21:38 |
| danuan | funny is not clear enough to troubleshoot. unless its drunk though then i would say just wait till tomorrow. | 21:40 |
| suavedandy | I mean, some shortcuts like F1, Ctrl+End and Ctrl+Home don't work. | 21:41 |
| danuan | and micro what? supermicro? or some micro package ? | 21:43 |
| suavedandy | And when I press Alt+Shift+Right, I get thrown to the second TTY with Caps Lock that doesn't turn off and no ability to switch TTYs. | 21:43 |
| suavedandy | Micro text editor. | 21:44 |
| suavedandy | It's like Nano. | 21:44 |
| suavedandy | But also sorta like Vim. | 21:44 |
| suavedandy | The middle ground. | 21:44 |
| danuan | sorry , i use joe and vim sometimes | 21:44 |
| danuan | looks like you need to read the man on shortcuts for the editor | 21:45 |
| suavedandy | I did. | 21:45 |
| suavedandy | But they don't worh. | 21:45 |
| suavedandy | *work | 21:45 |
| suavedandy | I read the included help document, not man. | 21:45 |
| suavedandy | It has an in-app help system. | 21:46 |
| suavedandy | And come on, the behavior on Alt+Shift+Right is downright bizarre. | 21:46 |
| suavedandy | Had to turn off the laptop because of it. | 21:47 |
| danuan | alt F1 trough 7 switches ttys from terminal ctrl alt F1 does that from Xwindows | 21:47 |
| danuan | never used alt shift | 21:48 |
| suavedandy | It's Alt+Shift+Right. | 21:48 |
| suavedandy | Not Alt+Shift+F2. | 21:48 |
| suavedandy | That's the issue. It also locks you out of other TTYs and turns on Caps Lock for no reason. | 21:49 |
| suavedandy | And you can't turn it off. | 21:51 |
| suavedandy | Also, when I quit Micro and moved the cursor with the touchpad, I gut a white horisontal line in the center. | 21:51 |
| suavedandy | *got | 21:52 |
| danuan | means you selected that line | 21:52 |
| suavedandy | I didn't. | 21:52 |
| danuan | then seems like you need to switch the editors if this one seem to be unpredictable | 21:53 |
| suavedandy | Although the touchpad picks up the smallest touches so it's possible. | 21:53 |
| suavedandy | Weird that it's unpredictable. | 21:54 |
| suavedandy | Wish I had VBox installed so I could test it on pure Debian. | 21:55 |
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