| shnaps | Ho-ho-ho comrades! I'm with devuan now. Have no idea where to start configuring it. Does devuan have guide? | 00:56 |
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| friendofafriend | shnaps: I'd probably start here. https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ | 00:57 |
| friendofafriend | And it's good to see another systemd refugee. | 00:57 |
| debdog | I'd start with the things I'd not agree with | 00:58 |
| James1138 | https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiVvpDT04zgAhVI34MKHZicA5A4ChC3AggnMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwK0nluO_Nk4&usg=AOvVaw3apLiYiAvhgmak38Xvd4Qy | 00:59 |
| shnaps | Nice, thanks! Also, is debian wiki like 90% work for devuan? | 01:04 |
| DonkeyHotei | everything that does not relate to pkgs that indirectly depend on systemd should | 01:07 |
| shnaps_ | DonkeyHotei: okay, got it | 01:12 |
| DonkeyHotei | i'm still hoping some kind soul will upload all the pkgs that devuan forked to a launchpad ppa to be auto-rebuilt against the ubuntu repositories | 01:13 |
| shnaps | So they will be rebuilded without pkgs/systemd dependencies? | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | un-buntu? | 01:17 |
| DonkeyHotei | u-vua-ntu, if you will | 01:20 |
| golinux | DonkeyHotei: It's not that easy because Devuan is not Ubuntu. There would certainly be version conflicts. | 01:24 |
| DonkeyHotei | devuan has existed since well before the most recent ubuntu LTS version freeze, so that wouldn't necessarily be a blocker | 01:26 |
| DonkeyHotei | compared to all the packages that go unchanged from debian sid to ubuntu, devuan has forked relatively few | 01:27 |
| golinux | But they might conflict with native Ubuntu packages | 01:36 |
| golinux | That would be a real hairball and most likely an exercise in futility. | 01:36 |
| DonkeyHotei | it would not be trivial, but i do not believe it would be futile | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | I think it would just be late. Ubuntu is based on unstable. | 01:38 |
| fsmithred | what was last lts? | 01:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | almost a year ago | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | 18.x? | 01:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | yeah | 01:39 |
| fsmithred | you know what kernel or libc6 version it has? | 01:39 |
| DonkeyHotei | i will check packages.ubuntu.com | 01:40 |
| DonkeyHotei | 4.15 kernel | 01:43 |
| fsmithred | glibc-2.28 | 01:43 |
| DonkeyHotei | 2.27 according to my search | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | sorry 2.27 in buntu | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | 2.28 in beowulf, 2.24 in ascii | 01:44 |
| fsmithred | might work with beowulf stuff when it's done. | 01:45 |
| DonkeyHotei | 2.28 is in 18.10 (non-LTS) | 01:45 |
| fsmithred | or maybe there will be enough interest by next lts | 01:46 |
| DonkeyHotei | i said that prior to the current LTS | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | and maybe more of our changes will migrate into debian and consequently to ubuntu | 01:46 |
| fsmithred | more people are interested since you last said it | 01:47 |
| DonkeyHotei | previous LTS would likely not have worked, but 2.27/4.15 is close enough | 01:49 |
| DonkeyHotei | and the rebuilding of binary pkgs would be automatic via launchpad, since ubuntu is all about source-only uploads | 01:50 |
| DonkeyHotei | the result would require apt pinning to stay systemd-free, but as long as one isn't using the gnome flavor, should be possible | 01:52 |
| roo^y | i wish devuan was also being developed for "phones", like the UBPorts team, carrying on from what was ubuntu touch | 01:53 |
| DonkeyHotei | ubuntu touch would've been better if it hadn't borrowed some of the worst design elements of iOS | 01:56 |
| roo^y | there was a experimental devuan puppylinux OS for PC, but it didn't gain a heap of interest, as puppylinux already doesn't use systemd | 01:58 |
| DonkeyHotei | and ubuntu touch tried to shed the ecosystem of existing apps for every platform, including gnu/linux | 01:58 |
| roo^y | i see, canical(spl) would've wanted their own *app store* | 01:59 |
| DonkeyHotei | there was a parallel project, kubuntu phone, that didn't get as much attention and didn't have those problems, but of course it never really worked | 02:01 |
| roo^y | marketing what people think as a heavy desktop environment KDE, onto a tiny innocent baby-faced device, might have people not buying into the idea :P | 02:03 |
| DonkeyHotei | kde has serious identity problems | 02:04 |
| shnaps | Can I get some help? So, I would like to install telegram messenger. But I'm not able to find it in devuan. But I found it in debian repo. What should I do now? Link: https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/telegram-desktop | 02:04 |
| DonkeyHotei | do you need telegram installed systemwide? because the installer on the telegram website will happily put it in your home dir AND keep it updated | 02:06 |
| shnaps | I guess no. But if I will ever need some stuff systemwide, what should I do? Want to know just in case | 02:07 |
| DonkeyHotei | it's likely missing due to some systemd shenanigans | 02:11 |
| Jjp137 | nah, it's in ascii-backports | 02:12 |
| shnaps | Oh, I should enable it | 02:12 |
| golinux | This is a Devuan help channel not a general chat channel. That happens on #debianfork | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | telegram-desktop - official telegram messaging app | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | telegram-cli - Command-line interface for Telegram messenger | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | 1.1.23-1~bpo9+1 in ascii-backports | 02:44 |
| fsmithred | damn, he's gone | 02:45 |
| DonkeyHotei | i think the current version is 1.5.8 | 02:48 |
| fsmithred | 1.5.4 is in beowulf/ceres | 02:53 |
| redrick | Anyone else able to load https://dev1galaxy.org/ in a Web browser? | 05:34 |
| Jjp137 | hm works for me... | 05:35 |
| redrick | Getting ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR | 05:38 |
| redrick | And then in a virtual machine's browser, I got 'Your IP address has been tagged as dubious. If this is in error, please contact dev1galaxy forum administrators on #d1g-users at freenode. | 05:39 |
| redrick | I guess that's my nexed visit. | 05:40 |
| redrick | next, even. | 05:40 |
| Jjp137 | huh I didn't even know there was a #d1g-users channel | 05:43 |
| watchcat | works for me, also. | 05:48 |
| redrick | Having cross-checked on a separate machine, I got the we-hate-your-IP response there, too. So, I suspect that's the underlying issue. | 05:54 |
| redrick | (Checked with multiple Web browsers on multiple machines.) | 05:54 |
| g4570n | I didn't knew of that channel | 05:55 |
| shnaps | Does live iso have list of apps that been installed? | 13:55 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, I don't think I made a package list | 14:01 |
| fsmithred | but I can | 14:01 |
| shnaps | fsmithred, it would be cool | 14:02 |
| fsmithred | one sec | 14:05 |
| shnaps | Sure | 14:06 |
| fsmithred | https://termbin.com/nru6 | 14:07 |
| fsmithred | that's amd64. The i386 is almost the same. (different grub and a few different libs) | 14:08 |
| shnaps | Thanks! Also, that's a lot of packages :) | 14:10 |
| fsmithred | around 1400 | 14:11 |
| fsmithred | it's very close to what you get if you install xfce desktop in a netinstall | 14:12 |
| shnaps | Cool! I'm looking through the list now | 14:16 |
| fsmithred | something in particular you're looking for? | 14:17 |
| shnaps | Nope, just curious what been installed. Never used live systems before(except ubuntu) | 14:19 |
| fsmithred | ubuntu is how I started making live systems - I needed to boot live-CD and move a bunch of files, tried ubuntu but it didn't have rsync. | 14:20 |
| fsmithred | so I learned how to make my own. | 14:20 |
| furrymcgee | do you have a intro how to build the live cd? | 14:23 |
| shnaps | Lol, this is interesting way of dealing with a problem of 1 missing package | 14:25 |
| shnaps | Nope, haven't seen it yet | 14:25 |
| fsmithred | furrymcgee, I wrote a howto for live-sdk, but it's slightly outdated | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | that's how the official live isos are made | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | you can also make your own with refractasnapshot | 14:26 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=551 - live-sdk | 14:27 |
| fsmithred | https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refractasnapshot.txt | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | live-sdk is better for automation and for making multiple arches | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | refractasnapshot is better for a one-off | 14:29 |
| fsmithred | install your system, configure it the way you want, run refractasnapshot, and you have a live-iso copy of your system. | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | If you include refractainstaller, then your iso is ready for installing | 14:30 |
| fsmithred | there are a few people using live-build in devuan. I'm not one of them. | 14:32 |
| furrymcgee | do you have something like preseed in the live image? | 14:36 |
| fsmithred | no | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | if you want to make changes... | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | make those changes in the running live system, and they will be copied to the hard disk | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | wysiwyg | 14:38 |
| furrymcgee | Im looking for full automated installation with DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive | 14:42 |
| furrymcgee | currently Im using devuan-sdk it needs debian-installer but I like the tasksel | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | talk to aitor - he's managed to get d-i to work with live-sdk | 14:50 |
| fsmithred | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190106.092751.a270a37a.en.html | 14:52 |
| furrymcgee | thanks fsmithred I will see the rebuild of d-i is something I would like to avoid in devuan-sdk | 15:21 |
| fsmithred | lol | 15:21 |
| fsmithred | refractainstaller is a bash script, so you can hack it to do what you want | 15:22 |
| fsmithred | if you want to make a small live system to install, you could include tasksel. In the middle of the install, it pauses to let you do stuff in chroot. Run tasksel in the chrooted installation. | 15:23 |
| furrymcgee | refracta is interesting besides tasksel Im not sure if there is anything else from d-i and the udeb packages | 15:34 |
| fsmithred | knowing how way d-i figures out which grub to install might be useful | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | and network detection | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | but I've never looked at that closely, and I understand it's a big mess. | 15:42 |
| fsmithred | I mean d-i is a big mess, not just the network part. | 15:43 |
| fsmithred | refractainstaller is a small mess | 15:43 |
| furrymcgee | there is a difference is hardware requirements I guess | 15:46 |
| fsmithred | why? | 15:49 |
| fsmithred | furrymcgee, what difference do you mean? | 15:51 |
| shnaps | Can I get some help? Just downloaded firefox66 from firefox site. Unpacked it in folder, created symlink in /usr/bin and saved old firefox link. Now I want to get firefox66 launcher/icon, but seems like it haven't been created. What should I do? | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | create your own launcher | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | xfce? | 15:57 |
| shnaps | Yep | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | right-click on panel | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | Panel, Add new items | 15:58 |
| shnaps | But isn't it supposed to be created? | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | you could edit /usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | change the Exec= to point to the new ff | 15:59 |
| shnaps | I mean, when I installed couple other apps same way, I got launchers/icons in ~/.local/share folder. But seems like Firefox haven't done any of this stuff for me | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | must not have been the same way | 15:59 |
| stqn | shnaps: typically software you don’t install using the system’s package manager don’t add menu icons/shortcuts themselves. | 16:00 |
| fsmithred | ff from mozilla is just an un-pack | 16:00 |
| fsmithred | not really installed | 16:00 |
| shnaps | Oh | 16:00 |
| fsmithred | apt doesn't know it's there | 16:00 |
| shnaps | I don't know why I been thinking that it does create .desktop file | 16:01 |
| furrymcgee | d-i supports embedded devices, is this not the reason to build separate udeb packages? | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | probably a few reasons for udebs, but yeah, d-i works on greater variety of hardware | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | I don't know if refractainstaller works on arches other than amd64/i386. Never tried it. | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | d-i can do a lot more (lvm, raid) | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | automatic partitioning | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | also gives you the latest software if you do netinstall. Live installer or install from media only gives you what existed when the iso was made. | 16:13 |
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| system32 | Hi | 22:33 |
| system32 | how can i check the smart status of my hdd ? | 22:34 |
| system32 | the OS has no gui | 22:34 |
| system32 | or de. | 22:34 |
| shnaps | So, I decided that I want to install devuan from scratch without live cd. Downloaded it, burned to usb an for some reason I'm getting error that installation CD is wrong | 22:34 |
| shnaps | Why is that? | 22:34 |
| system32 | fsck ? it cant run when the main FS is mounted | 22:35 |
| system32 | welp | 22:35 |
| debdog | system32: keyword here is package smartmontools https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/smartmontools/filelist | 22:37 |
| helios21 | system32: about SMART status… smartctl -a or -x on drive. | 22:37 |
| helios21 | system32: package as debdog mentioned | 22:37 |
| system32 | can it run without a GUI ? | 22:38 |
| helios21 | its a shell command | 22:38 |
| helios21 | i.e. has no gui | 22:38 |
| system32 | no the smartmontools thing | 22:38 |
| debdog | :) | 22:38 |
| helios21 | smartctl is the command that is shipped in smartmontools package | 22:38 |
| system32 | smartmontools is pre-installed ? | 22:39 |
| helios21 | smartd is a daemon in recording changes and issuing self-tests, also in the smartmontools package... as far as I am aware there is zero GUI related programs within smartmontools package | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, did you use dd or cat to image the usb? | 22:39 |
| helios21 | I bet smartmontools is an optional package | 22:39 |
| fsmithred | smartmontools is not automatically installed | 22:39 |
| shnaps | fsmithred, none of them. multiibootusb from github | 22:40 |
| system32 | apt install smartmontools ? btw that link just shows some directories | 22:40 |
| system32 | btw the drive that im trying to check is a usb drive | 22:41 |
| debdog | system32: that link shows the files that'd be installed for package smartmontools. the interesting part are the lines | 22:41 |
| debdog | /usr/sbin/smartctl | 22:41 |
| debdog | /usr/sbin/smartd | 22:41 |
| shnaps | I should clarify - netinstall iso is running. But after I choosed language and keyboard type, I got error that this is wrong cd and etc | 22:41 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, so that's the short answer to your question of why it won't find the cdrom | 22:41 |
| fsmithred | multibootusb put it someplace else | 22:42 |
| debdog | if that package is installed you can do "man smartd" and "man smartctl" for further info | 22:42 |
| debdog | system32: ^ | 22:42 |
| shnaps | What do you mean? | 22:42 |
| shnaps | It been loaded with grub | 22:42 |
| fsmithred | look at the directory structure on the usb | 22:42 |
| debdog | system32: plus it tells you, these commands must be run as root | 22:42 |
| system32 | ok. thanks. also , is there a bootable iso that checks drives ? and supports ext4 fs ? | 22:43 |
| fsmithred | shnaps, let's go to private | 22:43 |
| shnaps | fsmithred, sure | 22:43 |
| debdog | system32: i am pretty sure™ http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/ comes with all tool required | 22:46 |
| debdog | *tools | 22:46 |
| system32 | ok. thanks | 22:47 |
| heaven | hi guys | 23:56 |
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