| fsmithred | I'm banned from this network - using the old internet account now. I have no idea how to fix this. Here's part of the message I got when loggind into irc with the new connection (T-mobile 5G). * You are banned from this server- Your host is listed on DroneBL. Visit http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=172.56.217.32 to request removal. | 10:02 |
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| rrq | I think you have a znc account on dev1galaxy | 10:09 |
| rrq | (getting out of blacklisting may take time) | 10:09 |
| rrq | yes, you have an account on the znc proxy ... should be fine to use (doesn't have such blacklisting) | 10:18 |
| fsmithred | I never figured out how to use the znc account | 10:19 |
| rrq | yes, it's a proxy; so you need to configure it to login for you, and then configure your end to talk to/via it | 10:19 |
| Xenguy_ | fsmithred, Is it possible to get the complaint from dronebl cleared? | 11:43 |
| fsmithred | only if I understood their instructions | 11:48 |
| Xenguy_ | Their complaint seems to be about a 'compromised router/gateway', whatever that means | 11:50 |
| fsmithred | right | 11:58 |
| fsmithred | the modem/router is new (yesterday) | 11:58 |
| fsmithred | from the ISP (T-Mobile) | 11:59 |
| fsmithred | I want to remove my ban from dronebl.org but I don't understand their instructions: " Please use the textarea below to describe why you are unable to remove this incident yourself. Also specify why you are currently unable to use the ip you want to remove." | 13:10 |
| fsmithred | and help is appreciated. I am clueless. | 13:10 |
| Xenguy_ | My first question would be: is there anyone in this channel that has dealt with DroneBL.org before (i.e. the outfit that put your IP on a ban list) ? | 15:46 |
| Xenguy_ | Secondly, lets consider their two instructions one at a time: | 15:47 |
| Xenguy_ | 1. "Describe why you are unable to remove this incident yourself." | 15:48 |
| Xenguy_ | I assume this is meant to ask why you can fix the problem they've flagged (i.e. a 'compromised router/gateway')... | 15:50 |
| Xenguy_ | Possible response: "The modem/router is brand new yesterday from a new ISP, and therefore highly unlikely to be compromised. The modem/router is required by the new ISP." | 15:52 |
| Xenguy_ | 2. "Also specify why you are currently unable to use the ip you want to remove." | 15:52 |
| Xenguy_ | I assume they are asking about how their ban specifically affects your ability to use that (currently banned) IP address... | 15:54 |
| Xenguy_ | I suppose the answer is something like: "The IRC network Libera.net has currently banned my IP based on DroneBL's ban listing. As a free and open source (FOSS) developer, I need to be able to connect to this IRC network to communicate and work with fellow FOSS developers." | 15:58 |
| Xenguy_ | These are just ideas off the cuff. Perhaps others here have dealt with DroneBL or organizations like them before, and have better ideas than this. | 15:59 |
| Xenguy_ | fsmithred, ^^ | 15:59 |
| golinux | Shiny new toys are often a gift that just keeps giving . . . | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | I tried with something like I don't know wtf I'm doing, I told them new ISP and irc disconnects. | 16:28 |
| fsmithred | next screen said something like "We don't swing that way" | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | and I didn't get an email | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | I'm using znc server now | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | but it would still be nice to get the ip address off their list | 16:30 |
| fsmithred | joerg, did you see any of the scrollback about my problem? Lots of disconnects and then banned. | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | From above: part of the message I got when loggind into irc with the new connection (T-mobile 5G). * You are banned from this server- Your host is listed on DroneBL. Visit http://dronebl.org/lookup?ip=172.56.217.32 to request removal. | 16:34 |
| joerg | fsmithred: sorry, I'm a lazy chanop, I got "hide join/part/nick events" in my client. I can set you on "monitored users" so I see all of your joins and parts, from now on. The logbot would have the past joins/parts in the non-publoc raw logs, do you want me to have a look at those? | 16:38 |
| joerg | anyway your ban is based on DroneBL public blacklist, and on IRC network server level, none of which I have a saying in or even access to | 16:39 |
| joerg | fsmithred: you tried SASL ? | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | joerg, I'm using a znc server now. And I was using sasl | 16:44 |
| joerg | fsmithred: my two suggestions: 1) use SASL auth for logging in ( https://libera.chat/guides/hexchat ) <aborted> | 16:45 |
| fsmithred | I used same setting with new ISP but I got a lot of disconnects. I can't log in with that account now. | 16:45 |
| joerg | the disconnects are ZNC -> Liberachat server? Or your hexchat -> ZNC ? | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | the disconnect were with my hexchat on new ISP. Old ISP still works. | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | znc works with new ISP | 16:46 |
| fsmithred | or other way around | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | new ISP works with znc | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | with just new ISP I can't log in. | 16:47 |
| fsmithred | was already using the settings they list | 16:47 |
| joerg | sorry, you list me. where is the *new* ISP? From your client (phone?) to your ZNC (server?), or ZNC server -> IRC, or both? | 16:48 |
| joerg | lost me* | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | ols ISP at the house was hughes.net. New ISP is T-Mobile 5G. They gave us new modem and router. | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | I have always connected directly to libera.chat | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | with hexchat | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | with new isp I got a bunch of disconnects and got banned. | 16:49 |
| fsmithred | so I started using ralph's znc server and I can get here. | 16:50 |
| fsmithred | but the ISP's ip number is still banned. | 16:50 |
| joerg | there's UserClient --[ISP/network1]--> ZNC-server --[ISP/connection2]--> ircs://irc.libera.chat server | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | I only use one ISP at a time | 16:51 |
| fsmithred | user - ISP - znc - libera is my workaraound for the ban. | 16:52 |
| joerg | so what you got is a ban in scenario "UserClient --[newISP]--> ircs://irc.libera.chat server" ? | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | yes | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | one other piece of evidence not related to irc. | 16:53 |
| fsmithred | When golinux and I tested a jitsi session, I kept dropping out. | 16:53 |
| joerg | you got dynamic IP ? | 16:54 |
| fsmithred | I just got disconnected | 16:55 |
| joerg | you got dynamic IP ? | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | probably | 16:55 |
| joerg | try SASL and *new* IP-addr | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | you thinking a modem reboot might fix it? | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | I started with SASL | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | actually that's the only way I tried with new ISP | 16:56 |
| joerg | renew DHCP lease, yes. IFF you use SASL instantly after that | 16:56 |
| fsmithred | why instantly? | 16:56 |
| joerg | to not again try logging in without SASL and get a ban on new addr as well | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | ok, I see that I have a new IP address. | 16:58 |
| joerg | worst case use TOR | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | I got a status notice from znc that I got detached | 16:58 |
| joerg | pretty much similar problem: TOR IP ranges / egress points are all blacklisted, but you may use TOR when authenticating using SASL | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | I think the problem is with the ISP | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | but I can't tell that I'm disconnected when surfing web browser | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | not sure if it reconnects too fast for me to have a problem | 17:00 |
| joerg | hexchat is suboptimal to diagnose all this. anyway have a look at the network (Libera) tab in hexchat | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I can't look at it and type here at the same time. | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | currently it's not set to SASL because that didn't work with znc | 17:02 |
| joerg | you might try webchat | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | oh | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 17:02 |
| joerg | using any arbitrary user name | 17:02 |
| joerg | or even try logging in to your IRC account | 17:02 |
| joerg | https://web.libera.chat/ | 17:03 |
| joerg | https://web.libera.chat/#devuan-offtopic | 17:04 |
| bb|hcb | I would suppose that T-Mobile 5G gives a private IP and changes the nat mapping over time, which is causing the drops and also the ban - someone else had a compromised device and earned a ban on the IP that you are using now. | 18:07 |
| joerg | yep, exactly that | 18:08 |
| joerg | even worse: cgNAT | 18:08 |
| joerg | you're "in the same LAN" like a 12 dozen rogue users | 18:09 |
| joerg | where "LAN" here means T-MO 5G network | 18:10 |
| bb|hcb | CGNAT is the same thing plus log and li (lawful intercept) | 18:11 |
| mason | fsmithred: Did you click their "removal request" link? Reading scrollback again, but I didn't notice your saying you'd done so. | 20:13 |
| mason | fsmithred: https://0x0.st/Xwh0.png and the link there is https://dronebl.org/remove?incident=9109846 | 20:14 |
| mason | fsmithred: Or is that what you're talking about with the text box? If so, saying this is a new account and that whomever had the IP last had the compromised set-up should be enough. That said, they had it July 21st, so if you're in a dynamic pool, that might be problematic for you rolling forward if you're assigned a bad address again in future. | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | mason, yes I clicked the removal request, gave them a short description and got a screen that said something like "we don't swing that way" | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | I'm resigned to using znc | 20:18 |
| mason | fsmithred: They have an IRC channel. Might be worth bringing it up there. | 20:18 |
| fsmithred | it's cgNAT. I already have a new ip address. One that I can't trust any more than the banned one. | 20:21 |
| mason | I was lucky enough to get a static address here. Fairly essential since some of my email flows through my home. | 20:43 |
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