| mason | This is exciting: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1058701 | 02:10 |
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| * rwp is speechless | 02:15 | |
| mason | What's notable to me is that the bug was open all of a week before the package was dropped. | 02:17 |
| rwp | Notable to me is that Ian is a long time very experienced developer and if they will yank him around like this then the rest of us have no hope. | 02:23 |
| * Xenguy seems to be missing a piece of the puzzle... | 02:25 | |
| rwp | Also if I read details correctly the bug was filed against FTP Masters and not against pm-utils. There was no way for the maintainer of the package to know. | 02:25 |
| Xenguy | So pm-utils is being dropped? If so, how does Devuan respond, if at all? | 02:25 |
| Xenguy | The missing piece: Ian being "yank"'d | 02:26 |
| rwp | Summary: pm-utils is how I am handling suspend-resume on my laptops. I am using it. A bug to remove it was filed to FTP Masters not pm-utils asking to remove it because systemd handles it now. pm-utils was removed from Unstable without even being removed from Testing first. | 02:27 |
| rwp | Devuan in this case can probably do nothing as the maintainer Ian Jackson is going to re-upload the package again and it should reappear. Should being the operative word. | 02:28 |
| rwp | Because I could see shenanigans being played with not wanting to let a "new" non-systemd package into the package repository. | 02:28 |
| rwp | To remove a package from an active maintainer without even emailing the maintainer first is really dirty play. | 02:29 |
| Xenguy | Thanks for the summary rwp ; can IanJ deal direct with us (I know some of the history between him and Debian is, er, turbulent) ? | 02:29 |
| Xenguy | Makes sense now, wow | 02:29 |
| rwp | If you want more wow then read through https://bugs.debian.org/930869 | 02:30 |
| Xenguy | (It's rather amazing to me that my original love of the Debian could eventually turn to such loathing. They just seem to have turned in such __________ ) | 02:31 |
| Xenguy | *the Debian project | 02:31 |
| Xenguy | s/in/into | 02:32 |
| rwp | I am right there with you on that love turned to loathing. The Debian community has turned very caustic. | 02:32 |
| Xenguy | rwp, Wow again, I actually read through that thread, and I'm wondering who in the hell this Michael Biebl guy is? A real piece of work, from what I can tell. | 02:42 |
| rwp | He is a long time init freedom adversary. | 02:52 |
| rwp | I have sparred with him off and on over the years. But I am a nobody so I am mostly trying to escape unharmed. | 02:52 |
| Xenguy | These people have no place in a project like Debian, yet here we are | 02:54 |
| rwp | "Mean people suck." | 02:56 |
| Xenguy | They sure do | 02:57 |
| bgstack15 | wow, I read through 1058701 which links to that 930869. I wonder who is paying that Michael guy.... | 02:58 |
| Xenguy | Seems to be involved with QA: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=biebl@debian.org | 03:10 |
| Xenguy | This might be the same guy? https://github.com/mbiebl | 03:11 |
| bgstack15 | Oh, I know he's the systemd maintainer. His name has come up quite a lot here before. | 03:13 |
| Xenguy | The might be him: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=SjFjRhtl410 | 03:17 |
| mason | Xenguy: I'd have the same opinion of Debian as you if I didn't know a bunch of developers who look on in amazement at what the cult does. | 03:40 |
| mason | I tend to think the vast majority are still sane. | 03:40 |
| Xenguy | mason, Merry Solstice. It's obviously quite a subjective determination. When Joey Hess left, which was quite some time ago now, there *seemed* to be an inkling that Debian wasn't "quite the same" anymore, for example | 03:50 |
| Xenguy | We make of it what we will | 03:50 |
| mason | Happy solstice. :) | 03:53 |
| mason | (And I tend to think of Hess leaving as more disgust with the CTTE, which is a topic in its own right.) | 03:55 |
| Xenguy | "It's complicated" as they say : -) | 03:56 |
| mason | Xenguy: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=GOzwOeONBhQ | 04:00 |
| Xenguy | = ) | 04:04 |
| * cousin_luigi is still unclear on script priorities with sysv. Also are they run concurrently? | 08:36 | |
| cousin_luigi | nm the noob question. Reading up | 08:40 |
| cousin_luigi | ok, concurrency=none is the only way this script works. I'm not sure how to proceed further. | 10:42 |
| cousin_luigi | maybe supply a sample /etc/insserv.conf.d/ template so that the user can sort out conflicts that might arise | 10:56 |
| rrq | 9 | 11:01 |
| * rrq (oops) | 11:01 | |
| cousin_luigi | So, update-rc.d invokes insserv, which in turn reads (inter alia) /etc/insserv/overrides/ and /etc/insserv.conf.d/ and creates /etc/init.d/.depend.* accordingly. Correct? | 12:23 |
| somebloominonion | i came here to ask about the Wicd/Python3 migration efforts. | 18:00 |
| golinux | They have come to a screeching halt. Search our channels to catch up on the history | 18:29 |
| somebloominonion | I'm trying to hunt down the most recent version of a file named wpath.py | 18:44 |
| somebloominonion | It's noted in the .gitignore file, so I'm wondering if the current devs have it in some kind of "alpha" status and don't want to push it out to the public. Maybe I'm missing something there. | 18:46 |
| somebloominonion | quit | 19:16 |
| Xenguy | It does blow my mind that migration from python2 to 3 could be so onerous | 19:17 |
| cousin_luigi | Xenguy: It blows my mind that people were warned 10 years in advance and still did not convert their stuff. | 19:27 |
| somebloominonion | q | 20:33 |
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