libera/#devuan-dev/ Wednesday, 2023-09-27

bgstack15Devuan meet tomorrow, Thursday, September 28, at 20:30 UTC. Pad is here: https://pad.dyne.org/code/#/2/code/edit/ksM6D2HzJU7LmZEm0ZmuzlyM/14:31
micdudcan i come ?14:52
Xenguymicdud, Anyone is welcome15:22
micdudeven Lennart and Bill ?15:59
fsmithredBill might say something useful.16:03
golinuxThat would be a first16:04
micdudis there packages included in devuan that are not in debian ?16:05
fsmithreda few16:06
fsmithredrefractainstaller, refractasnapshot, cryptdisk-modified-functions, fontsnaps16:07
fsmithredsure what else16:07
fsmithredNOT sure...16:08
micdudcan i add nfs-kernel-server4 , that disables portmap and changes mountd to not listen , only one port nfsv4 operation16:09
fsmithredI don't know. We don't have an official policy on adding packages, and we generally avoid doing it.16:11
fsmithredWe fork packages only if they require systemd.16:12
fsmithredand FTR, I don't actually understand what you said.16:12
micdudnfs-kernel-server has too many legacy servers listening on the network ports, and no easy way to disable portmap  when only using nfsv416:14
micdudsimply diabling portmap will not let you start nfs-kernel-server  even if its only v4 operation16:15
fsmithredwon't /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server let you do what you want?16:18
fsmithredlooks like you can set the number of servers to start and also set a port16:18
micdudno, if portmap is disabled , /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server wont start , and i have an extra /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server416:19
micdudbasicaly it sits on top of nfs-kernel-server and disables v2 and v3 functionality to keep it simple and secure to only one port or a few more if using kerberos16:31
micdud17:43
micdudPS: not a fork just an extra package17:43
DFPWhy not add it to Debian then?17:47
micdudbeen using devuan since the schism, so not enough expeience with systemd17:48
DFPDo they require systemd init scripts? Sorry if I am out of the loop.17:52
DFPhttps://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#starting-system-services17:58
DFPSeems like you could have a package with only plain old init scripts.17:59
micdudso back to the initial question , would this be something devuan be interested in18:01
bb|hcbDFP: That is not right, new packages that provide system services will not be accepted without a systemd unit in Debian18:26
bb|hcbs/right/true18:26
bb|hcbmicdud: I also think that it would be better to patch nfs-utils (source package of nfs-kernel-server) and include the functionality there. The most important part in this is not to break existing systems with some nfs setup18:30
micdud so bark it up to debian ?18:31
bb|hcbYes, it will come to Devuan, if accepted.18:33
micdudps it would not break anything, just allow for nfsv4 only setups when wanted18:34
bb|hcbBTW, IMHO a new service most probably will not be accepted; an additional option maybe will.18:36
micdudfine, ill take my patch and just go home! :)18:38
bb|hcbAnd the important deps in this case are: nfs-kernel-server -> nfs-common -> rpcbind (which provides portmap), so getting rid of rpcbind will not be possible without modifying many other parts. I have no idea if rpcbind supports disabling it18:38
micdudrpcbind just gets disabled, not uninstaled  with the nf-kernel-servver418:41
micdudand reenambled  if nfs-kernel-servver4 is uninstalled18:42
bb|hcbmicdud: Sorry if what I said sounded discouraging to you, I only tried to show a path how to make it happen...18:43
* bb|hcb afk18:43
micdudi have been using this settup for a while on nfsv4 only network for a while , kerberos or not without issues ...18:50

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