| hacksenwerk | armv6 = ARMv6 and armhf = AMRv7 ? | 20:07 |
|---|---|---|
| yeti | (yeti@pi1-a:3)~$ arch # --> armv6l | 20:11 |
| yeti | (yeti@pi2-a:2)~$ arch # --> armv7l | 20:12 |
| hacksenwerk | Why are the images so bloated? | 20:29 |
| hacksenwerk | 2.6GB for the rpi 1 ... | 20:30 |
| yeti | some seem to look at it as art ... I stopped using those images when I found installed unpackaged stuff and even changed dotfiles. | 20:33 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: whats that? | 20:34 |
| hacksenwerk | I mean changed dot files like .bashrc ? | 20:34 |
| yeti | yip | 20:34 |
| yeti | added useless blingbling just to flex muscles or such | 20:35 |
| hacksenwerk | I change config files too for my devuan derivate, wheres the problem? | 20:35 |
| hacksenwerk | But was do you mean with installed unpackaged stuff ? | 20:35 |
| hacksenwerk | *what | 20:35 |
| yeti | e.g. additional mc themes | 20:35 |
| hacksenwerk | ok | 20:35 |
| hacksenwerk | but nothing evil? | 20:35 |
| yeti | have I read every config file? | 20:36 |
| yeti | probably not. | 20:36 |
| yeti | but my trust is gone | 20:36 |
| metala | the build scripts are not provided? | 20:36 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: lol But you trust Devuan official devs? Or any other? | 20:37 |
| yeti | I install debian and "migrate" it https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/daedalus/bookworm-to-daedalus | 20:37 |
| hacksenwerk | wtf | 20:37 |
| hacksenwerk | why? | 20:37 |
| yeti | there never was any surprise | 20:38 |
| yeti | I want it boring. | 20:38 |
| hacksenwerk | And debian devs are trustworthy? | 20:38 |
| hacksenwerk | like adding a heavy softlock dependency called systemd | 20:38 |
| yeti | it's soooo similar to what I get on other archs | 20:38 |
| yeti | migrating debian->devuan like in the link above IMO gives a cleaner system than the community artwork images | 20:40 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: a you mean for arm | 20:41 |
| hacksenwerk | ? | 20:41 |
| yeti | sure. | 20:41 |
| hacksenwerk | ah ok :D | 20:41 |
| yeti | where official devuan images exist, I use them | 20:41 |
| hacksenwerk | I thought you do this for every arch | 20:41 |
| hacksenwerk | ok :) | 20:41 |
| yeti | just not the community builds | 20:41 |
| hacksenwerk | nice that sounds good! | 20:42 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: thx for the hint! | 20:42 |
| hacksenwerk | But are there minimal armel images for debian? | 20:42 |
| hacksenwerk | Or do they come bloated is the devuan ones? | 20:43 |
| yeti | some arm variants are in the official release downloads, the raspi stuff is semiofficial | 20:43 |
| yeti | they are way smaller... | 20:43 |
| hacksenwerk | 512mb https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/armel/iso-cd/ | 20:43 |
| hacksenwerk | awesome! | 20:43 |
| hacksenwerk | but you can alos have the dvd iso with 4.3gb x) https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/armel/iso-dvd/ | 20:45 |
| yeti | https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ <<< the raspi manager is hibernating. RL striekes back | 20:45 |
| yeti | but it still works. | 20:46 |
| yeti | my last try for cubietruck failed. the image didnt accept the keyboard and I wasnt in the mood to attach a usb-uart to the real console pins | 20:47 |
| hacksenwerk | wait the isos are not for rpi? | 20:47 |
| yeti | nope. | 20:47 |
| hacksenwerk | ah sure arm comes also with some laptops... | 20:47 |
| hacksenwerk | I always associate them with sbc | 20:48 |
| hacksenwerk | xP | 20:48 |
| yeti | https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs <<< that's currently looking for a new boss too. | 20:50 |
| yeti | maybe debian and devuan can use the same tool with just different configs to generate the PI images | 20:50 |
| yeti | synergies... | 20:51 |
| yeti | #debian-raspberrypi is on oftc | 20:53 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: good to know | 21:00 |
| hacksenwerk | lol | 21:02 |
| hacksenwerk | https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ Debian 12 Stable for rpi 2.5 gb | 21:03 |
| hacksenwerk | its the same... | 21:03 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: So that doesn't make any sense then... | 21:04 |
| yeti | https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ | 21:06 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: I linked that... | 21:07 |
| hacksenwerk | The image files there are xz compressed and ~ 120 MB. after decompress they are 2.5GB | 21:08 |
| hacksenwerk | That's the same size the devuan images have. | 21:08 |
| hacksenwerk | So it doesn't make any sense to use them and then migrate... | 21:09 |
| yeti | Compressed image 121.89 MB | 21:09 |
| yeti | is what I see | 21:09 |
| hacksenwerk | yes... and? | 21:09 |
| yeti | whats the problem? use th tar files if you want other partition sizes? | 21:10 |
| hacksenwerk | lol | 21:12 |
| yeti | I use them because I get a boring de??an without blingbling that way and will get no surprises because an image painting artist added nonstandard stuff. that's the reason why I prefer those. | 21:12 |
| hacksenwerk | 20:43 < yeti> they are way smaller... | 21:13 |
| hacksenwerk | they are not :P | 21:13 |
| yeti | you mentioned 2,5G and I thought you were talking about complete desktop images | 21:13 |
| hacksenwerk | yeah.. bling bling, but I did not talk about bling bling I talked about bloat bloat | 21:13 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: no I linked it | 21:13 |
| hacksenwerk | 21:03 < hacksenwerk> https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/ Debian 12 Stable for rpi 2.5 gb | 21:13 |
| yeti | 1741721348 hacksenwerk Why are the images so bloated? | 21:16 |
| yeti | 1741721425 hacksenwerk 2.6GB for the rpi 1 ... | 21:16 |
| hacksenwerk | That was earlier | 21:17 |
| hacksenwerk | And you respond to that, that debian images are way smaller | 21:17 |
| yeti | I read that as used space, not as the mostly empty partitions | 21:18 |
| hacksenwerk | yeti: dude! the image! the image is that size | 21:18 |
| hacksenwerk | x) | 21:18 |
| yeti | <-- silent now. | 21:19 |
| hacksenwerk | When I detar those debian tarballs I get tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors | 21:21 |
| hacksenwerk | I'm done with that. | 21:22 |
| hacksenwerk | debiana arm images are bloated, the tarballs are broken | 21:22 |
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