libera/#devuan-arm/ Sunday, 2023-01-22

kreyrenHowddya authorize devuan repository these days17:28
* kreyren can't join #devuan bcs banned for some reason17:28
* kreyren has teres-1 with armbian sid and is trying to convert that in devuan to get Openrc17:28
kreyrenhttps://www.devuan.org/os/keyring found it~17:31
kreyrenehh how do you migrade weird debian in armbian on devuan with openrc?17:41
kreyrenit says that openrc is not a real package (virtual)17:42
kreyren:o17:42
kreyrenhmm guess imma doing sysvinit17:42
rwpkreyren, #devuan requires a registered nick to join as an anti-spam measure.17:51
kreyrenimma registered no?17:51
rwpTo authorize devuan repositories make sure you have the devuan-keyring package installed.17:51
kreyrenyee17:51
kreyrenrwp, yep got that but dunno how to get rid of systemd and install operrc now17:51
kreyrenbcs systemd is kinda breaking this whole system and i need a good fallback for guix development17:52
kreyren@_@17:52
rwpThe migration process from Debian with systemd to Devuan without systemd https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera17:52
rwpI would follow the migration instructions and switch to sysvinit since that is a well tested pathway.17:53
rwpAnd then after migrating away from systemd and onto Devuan then switch to openrc.17:53
kreyrenoke18:05
kreyrenimma on armbian sid bcs that's the only available thing for OLIMEX teres-1 or is there a devuan thing i can load onto it that will have the kernel and stuff?18:06
kreyrenand it's kinda weird setup that if i remove xfce that my network stops working xD18:08
kreyrenohhh18:09
kreyreni am supposed to use merged not devuan18:09
rwpYes.  The sources.list would be http://deb.devuan.org/merged18:13
kreyrenyee i remember now18:13
rwpMost likely XFCE is what is pulling in a networking management tool like network-manager and removing XFCE and autoremove then removes it.18:14
kreyrenseems that the kernel is provided by armbian repos so i should be good on devuan18:14
kreyrenrwp, ye though that to be the case.. ehh how to prevent that?18:14
kreyrenlike i have mods, but i didn't get the mod that adds ethernet port xD18:15
rwpI have had a long history of network-manager screwing me over by taking the network offline during upgrades but never bringing it back up again.18:15
* kreyren kinda wants gnome18:15
rwpWhich means I must do something manually on the device to get it back online.  NetworkManager has screwed me over that way many times over the years.18:15
kreyrenhowddya do that manually?18:16
rwpPeople keep say, "It's only a bug. Report it and people will fix it." But it has been at least ten years and it is still not fixed.18:16
rwpSo now I use ifupdown only pretty much exclusively on these types of systems.18:16
kreyrenalso i have a problem with systemd spawning an infinite startjob that then infiniteloops the startup process =..=18:16
kreyrenthus devuan and nuking it out~18:16
rwpAnd of course if one installs ifupdown then it will be marked as manually installed and it will not be a candidate for autoremove.18:17
kreyrenifupdown? How does that help?18:17
* kreyren never used that18:17
kreyrenand like it shows the adapter up in ifconfig, but i can't connect it to anything with nmtui18:17
rwpThe ifupdown package had been the standard network managing tool for Debian for twenty years or something before the arrival of systemd-networkd.18:18
rwpI am sure you have used it without realizing you were using it.18:18
kreyrenprobably O.o18:18
rwphttps://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration18:18
kreyrenhow do you connect the wifi though18:20
kreyrenbcs like teres-1 only has wifi18:20
rwpI see you mentioned armbian and the teres-1 but I have no experience with it.  I am running the original Banana Pi with Devuan and I don't use anything from armbian.  I can use the stock Debian/Devuan kernel.18:20
rwpFor WiFi I used to use WICD to manage the WiFi.  But unfortunately due to Python2 and no one really converting it to Python3 for ongoing support WICD has been lost from the new releases that only maintain Python3.18:22
kreyrenthe teres-1 has +- standard A64 which should be fully mainlined so devuan kernel should work on it?18:22
rwpSo now I am doing things "the hard way" with wpa_supplicant directly but it is working really well for me so that's what I am doing.18:22
rwphttps://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse18:22
kreyrenummm the process on https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/chimaera/bullseye-to-chimaera fails at installing eudev and sysvinit-core with systemd is an active init and prompting to switch it18:23
rwpFor most people though who come from WICD then the standard recommendation is to try out connman which is another independent network managing tool.18:23
kreyrenoh it says that it will cause breakage18:23
kreyrennwm18:23
rwpAnd a lot of people continue to use NetworkManager regardless because they are not suffering from the problems I described.18:23
kreyrenhowddya connect to wifi on conman? i use that on guix i think18:24
kreyrenbut like i have GUI18:24
kreyren@_@18:24
rwpHow is installing eudev failing?18:24
rwpconnman has a GUI so just use the GUI.  (There is also a CLI interface too.)18:25
kreyreni see18:26
kreyrenso ehh install conman and then it should be fine to get rid of xfce4 right18:26
kreyrenhmm i am at the reboot phase and it reboots into a black screen18:28
kreyren@_@18:28
rwpWhat is the motivation to get rid of xfce?18:28
rwpWell...  No display working is not good.18:28
kreyreni prefer gnome and i need some kind of stable fallback OS for developing guix18:29
kreyrenthe display works it just seems to fail the boot sequence18:29
kreyrenoh18:29
kreyrenthe display doesn't work18:29
kreyreni just blindly typed root account followed by reboot and it rebooted18:30
kreyrenweirdddd18:30
* kreyren is trying to SSH18:31
kreyrenumm is there like a devuan live image for arm?18:32
* kreyren found https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-arm64/18:32
kreyrenit even has an image for teres-1 on https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/chimaera/main/installer-arm64/current/images/u-boot/18:33
kreyren... that is 1 MB18:34
kreyreneh?18:34
kreyrenhttps://www.olimex.com/forum/index.php?topic=7840.018:35
kreyrenoh18:35
kreyrenhmm it's unable to detect my wireless thing18:50
kreyrentried to connect RTL8188ETV to it too18:52
rwpSorry but I have no idea as I don't have such a similar device.  On my Banana Pi there is no built-in WiFi and I am using a USB attached WiFi adaptor.18:55
kreyrenummm18:57

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